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2011-12-21 09:11:12

#9526

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

i have never heard the phrase 'bookshelf' speakers. we say 'hi-fi' speakers if we mean 2 large full-body speakers. why use the term bookshelf speaker to denote a speaker that is never placed on a bookshelf? what a dumb term. and i'm sorry but this sentence

It's obvious that he needs to buy a pair of bookshelves and use those for music listening, not waste money on a whole 5.1 system, which, at that price, won't net him much.

logically infers that, given a higher budget, an expensive 5.1 system would serve him well (i.e. would 'net him much'). i am reading your posts. perhaps you're just expressing yourself in the mode a la retarde.

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2011-12-21 09:16:36

#9527

Microwave: _; +515|6906|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

I've heard bookshelf before, I thought it referred to the size - about the average height of a book - so could be placed on a bookshelf, not that it has to be or should.

Also 5.1 for music are a nonono, for films, yessssssss.

2011-12-21 09:19:22

#9528

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

i don't know any studio monitors or hi-fi speakers that are the size of a book. and i've looked at a lot of audio hardware. and i've read and handled quite a few books, too. the term is retarded. tbh when you say 'bookshelf' the size suggestion makes me think of something like a shitty logitech speaker. that's a bookshelf size / fit. a krk rokit? on a bookshelf? that's a pretty fucking wide bookshelf, son.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-21 09:19:52)

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2011-12-21 09:21:28

#9529

gurdeep: +812|5006|prolly

man i really hope i dont have any problems with my laptop. anyone have any experiences with asus laptops? all of my other asus products have treated me very well, but im kinda skeptical of some of these reviews

2011-12-21 09:24:14

#9530

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

just treat it like a fine lady

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2011-12-21 09:28:08

#9531

Jenspm: penis; +1,716|6983|St. Andrews / Oslo

As for DACs, I can't help but feel that anything full of dials and stuff would be wasted on me.. Would something like this suffice? http://www.head-fi.org/t/582955/hrt-mus … generation

£130

https://static.bf2s.com/files/user/26774/flickricon.png

2011-12-21 09:35:21

#9532

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

dials? you're intimidated by volume controls? and do you want control over the tone of your sound or not? you get what you pay for. too much customisation is never a bad thing in audio, is it? that DAC looks decent though. it'll do a good job of taking a shitty macbook-onboard sound and beefing it up for the speakers to match.

Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-21 09:36:18)

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2011-12-21 10:23:18

#9533

heggs: Spamalamadingdong; +581|6639|New York

Uzique wrote:
i don't know any studio monitors or hi-fi speakers that are the size of a book. and i've looked at a lot of audio hardware. and i've read and handled quite a few books, too. the term is retarded. tbh when you say 'bookshelf' the size suggestion makes me think of something like a shitty logitech speaker. that's a bookshelf size / fit. a krk rokit? on a bookshelf? that's a pretty fucking wide bookshelf, son.

It appears we're getting stuck on the nomenclature here.

In the audiophile community, bookshelf speakers are speakers that typically house a tweeter and a driver 6.5 inches or smaller in diameter (~170 mm for our metric friends). It's just the way it's defined. I don't necessarily agree with the term (as you don't), because they say you should never place the speakers on a bookshelf (particularly if the bass port is in the back). This is probably a legacy term that's been around for many years that has just stuck.

Tower speakers are the larger floor standing speakers that will house much larger drivers: 7 inch, 10 inch, 15 inch, you name it. They provide a fuller soundstage than the bookshelf speakers, because of the larger cabinet and larger and/or more numerous amount of drivers (not necessarily always the case, but mostly this is the way it goes).

Either way, both configurations can have very expensive offerings with high performance components, depending on which company you're buying from. There are also many configurations that are possible in driver size, driver placement, and cabinet shape and size. These range from entry level hi-fi all the way to extremely high end hi-fi. Either way, you will most certainly get better music reproduction than buying some cheap ass Logitec shit.

Spending $300 USD on a set of bookshelf speakers can get you into the world of hi-fi for a very reasonable price. Jenspm can either get some powered monitors, as you suggested, or could go my route and get a two channel amp with bookshelf speakers.

Hell, I'm going be buying these soon http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three … f-Speakers to use as fronts in my 5.1 system.

https://www.htd.com/core/media/media.nl?id=1616&c=589892&h=6ed7fde478d805ba4357

Later on, when I move into a house, I'll be getting these and move the bookshelves to surround duty.
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three … r-Speakers

https://www.htd.com/core/media/media.nl?id=1634&c=589892&h=293fdb4d9e7d17a35701

I'll of course round it out with a Level 3 center channel.

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2011-12-21 10:34:44

#9534

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

i just said 'hi-fi' speakers and was talking about the exact same thing - a pair of front-stereo speakers.

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2011-12-21 10:42:35

#9535

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|6904

I'd love to get a DAC, the problem with audio hardware is getting a straightforward answer on what to actually buy. Audiophile communities are awful for this.

2011-12-21 10:46:25

#9536

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

it's cause most people have the common sense to go to a store and listen/try stuff. how can you get a definitive answer as to what your ears will prefer over the internet? 99% of people don't pore over forums for 6 months... they go to a fucking audio store and try some shit and come away with something that sounded great to them. you can't rely on the internet for everything. just go try a few with a budget in mind / cash in your pocket and get what you're personally satisfied with. there is so much choice in the audio world... what are you expecting? someone to respond with a 'sennheiser hd555' type answer?

Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-21 10:46:51)

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2011-12-21 10:48:37

#9537

heggs: Spamalamadingdong; +581|6639|New York

Lucien wrote:
I'd love to get a DAC, the problem with audio hardware is getting a straightforward answer on what to actually buy. Audiophile communities are awful for this.

Unfortunately, with sound, it's pretty subjective, so you tend to get vague answers like "audition it yourself and decide" on forums. You could try to find some reviews on sites that aren't forums, where they go through the features and compare it to equipment of similar caliber.

But like Uzique said, you really should check it out yourself in person if you can. Also, bring some source material that you're familiar with, so that you know that it sounds good with what you'll actually listen to.

Last edited by heggs (2011-12-21 10:50:37)

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2011-12-21 11:00:37

#9538

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|6904

I went to a store to buy the speakers I have now actually

subjective or not though, for every type of audio hardware you'd expect there to be a consensus of what are the better choices overall for that category. To narrow the hundreds of choices down to a dozen or so. it's nice to have an idea of what to buy so I don't end up wasting money

2011-12-21 11:09:28

#9539

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

you can get shortlists of ~ 10 or so DAC's per price range. you know that. and nothing will be a waste of money considering what you're upgrading from...

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2011-12-21 12:50:38

#9540

twoblacklines: all grown up now (its boring); +49|6458

Uzique wrote:
i don't know any studio monitors or hi-fi speakers that are the size of a book. and i've looked at a lot of audio hardware. and i've read and handled quite a few books, too. the term is retarded. tbh when you say 'bookshelf' the size suggestion makes me think of something like a shitty logitech speaker. that's a bookshelf size / fit. a krk rokit? on a bookshelf? that's a pretty fucking wide bookshelf, son.

Your retarded for that comment.

Bookshelf speakers originally were designed to fit on bookshelves, most will fit on traditional bookshelves. The iconic one being BBC Rogers LS3/5a.

https://audio-database.com/KEF/speaker/ls3_5asignature.JPG

Even ebay has two seperate categories for speakers: bookshelves and floorstanding speakers. However, due to alot of new designs being rear ported, due to people wanting more bass than the music is meant to have, they started needing room at the rear of the speaker and people developed stands for them, aka standmounts.

2011-12-21 13:03:11

#9541

west-phoenix-az: Guns don't kill people. . . joe bidens advice does; +632|6640

twoblacklines wrote:
Your retarded for that comment.

https://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p123/west-phoenix-az/BF2S/bf2s_sig_9mmbrass.jpg

2011-12-21 13:16:19

#9542

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

twoblacklines wrote:
Uzique wrote:
i don't know any studio monitors or hi-fi speakers that are the size of a book. and i've looked at a lot of audio hardware. and i've read and handled quite a few books, too. the term is retarded. tbh when you say 'bookshelf' the size suggestion makes me think of something like a shitty logitech speaker. that's a bookshelf size / fit. a krk rokit? on a bookshelf? that's a pretty fucking wide bookshelf, son.
Your retarded for that comment.

Bookshelf speakers originally were designed to fit on bookshelves, most will fit on traditional bookshelves. The iconic one being BBC Rogers LS3/5a.

Even ebay has two seperate categories for speakers: bookshelves and floorstanding speakers. However, due to alot of new designs being rear ported, due to people wanting more bass than the music is meant to have, they started needing room at the rear of the speaker and people developed stands for them, aka standmounts.

dude i have never had a bookshelf with 40cm of depth. i have a library at home and i'm sat in a room right now surrounded by bookshelves and i couldn't fit my krk rokits onto them anyway i tried. i admit i've never heard of the term but i've never shopped for a 'bookshelf speaker'. and fuck knows what sorta bookshelves they had in the 1970's. maybe all the books they were reading were printed on A3 paper.

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2011-12-21 13:16:34

#9543

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6722

west-phoenix-az wrote:
twoblacklines wrote:
Your retarded for that comment.

you*re

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2011-12-21 19:33:39

#9544

twoblacklines: all grown up now (its boring); +49|6458

Uzique wrote:
twoblacklines wrote:
Uzique wrote:
i don't know any studio monitors or hi-fi speakers that are the size of a book. and i've looked at a lot of audio hardware. and i've read and handled quite a few books, too. the term is retarded. tbh when you say 'bookshelf' the size suggestion makes me think of something like a shitty logitech speaker. that's a bookshelf size / fit. a krk rokit? on a bookshelf? that's a pretty fucking wide bookshelf, son.
Your retarded for that comment.

Bookshelf speakers originally were designed to fit on bookshelves, most will fit on traditional bookshelves. The iconic one being BBC Rogers LS3/5a.

Even ebay has two seperate categories for speakers: bookshelves and floorstanding speakers. However, due to alot of new designs being rear ported, due to people wanting more bass than the music is meant to have, they started needing room at the rear of the speaker and people developed stands for them, aka standmounts.
dude i have never had a bookshelf with 40cm of depth. i have a library at home and i'm sat in a room right now surrounded by bookshelves and i couldn't fit my krk rokits onto them anyway i tried. i admit i've never heard of the term but i've never shopped for a 'bookshelf speaker'. and fuck knows what sorta bookshelves they had in the 1970's. maybe all the books they were reading were printed on A3 paper.

Deep ones, ill try and find a picture that best describes them, but they are very deep.

https://media.nesn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Regal-Office.jpg

This is why proper standmounts like Sonus Faber have the same kind of veneer!

2011-12-22 02:51:09

#9545

Beduin: Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid; +510|6001|شمال

More : http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeo … 0-review/1

:love:

الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic

2011-12-22 03:57:49

#9546

Naturn: Deeds, not words.; +311|6857|Greenwood, IN

Going to pick one up once I get over these day car issues i'm having.

2011-12-22 09:03:18

#9547

Finray: Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro; +2,629|6039|Catherine Black

Beduin wrote:

More : http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeo … 0-review/1

:love:

https://www.guru3d.com/imageview.php?image=35067

this is quite impressive. But I don't really get it, isn't the #970 card the flagship single-GPU card? And this one, averaged across all the games, is only marginally beating nVidias year-old equivalent?

2011-12-22 13:54:24

#9548

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|7023|PNW

I doubt the 7970's going to be over $700, nor is it fair to compare it in performance to the 590.

If you're talking about the 580, i wouldn't really call that a "marginal" victory over it. I'm more curious about that 5970's placement anyway.

2011-12-22 18:07:34

#9549

gurdeep: +812|5006|prolly

what should i turn on or off for my ssd besides turning defrag off?

2011-12-22 18:26:25

#9550

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,815|6357|eXtreme to the maX

That windows indexing thing?

Fuck Israel

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