BF2S Forums owned. Hopkins student kills intruder with samurai sword

Bevo wrote:

the article wrote:

When a man inside lunged at him, police say, the confrontation was fatal.

"He was backed up against a corner and either out of fear or out of panic, he just struck the sword with force," said Baltimore Police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi. "It was probably with fear for his life."

Taking what the article said (removing subjectivity):

Student hears rustling inside house
Student grabs sword
Student checks to see what the noise is
Unidentified man lunges at him
Student defends self
Unidentified man dies


I don't see how the kid is wrong in any capacity. Perhaps calling 911 first would have been a good option, but an unidentified man lunged at him inside of his own house/apartment/flat/wherever.

@ .sup: If you want to run away, you run away, not go towards the sword-wielding student.

It's not possible to remove subjectivity. The above is the account of events from the student perspective.  The only other witness is in a morgue.  How about this.

Student is really pissed from earlier burglary
Pissed student procures deadly weapon from a friend
Pissed student goes home
Pissed student hear noise
Pissed student wielding sword confront man
man notices pissed student and raises arms in defence (a natural reaction to aggressiveness)
Pissed student chops of mans hand and spills his guts
Pissed student tells cops he "lunged at me"

Someone has died here, whether you like it or not someone has to be accountable for it.

Last edited by m3thod (2009-09-16 16:03:13)

The_Sniper_NM wrote:

Any pussies who don't agree with the students actions need to get the fuck out.

Its morons like you allow inocent people to be killed in roberies.

Hold on.. Mr Macho is here.

m3thod wrote:

I'm curious, and this is an open question is american society a violent one?

Yes,  Just look at our movie rating system.  13 year olds can see blood and gore, but groping is a no no.

m3thod wrote:

I'm curious, and this is an open question is american society a violent one?

it varies wildly depending on what area you're in I guess.... my country is bad enough now that if you beat someone after they break into your home and attack you, they'll try and charge you with assault

i have a sign on the back door that says
"By gaining forceful entrance of this residence you accept the risks of severe bodily harm and or death"

the last time the police were out here for my drunk piece of shit neighbours they thought it was pretty funny lol

when i hear shit at night i do 4 things

1 get flashlight (next to my bed)
2 get shotgun from closet
3 get phone for possible police call (also next to my bed)
4 wait a few minutes

if nothing happens and my dogs don't start going batshit insane, i check the windows and doors and go back to bed

not far from here a woman was attacked with a broken bottle after coming home to find a drugged up homeless guy ripping her house apart

when dealing with people who would be just as happy to stab you to death as they would to walk by you in the street... force is necessary


although i do see where you're coming from, just blasting someone away the moment you see them is something i hope i wouldnt do... but once the adrenaline starts going who can really know unless they've done it before?


and the term deadly weapon is very vague a pencil could be a deadly weapon, a chair leg, fork, kitchen knife, pool cue, anything.

at what point does something stop being just an object and cross into the "deadly weapon" category?

to me nothing is a weapon until it is used as such

Last edited by krazed (2009-09-16 17:19:26)

For the most part, in the US, the rule is; if you break into a person's home, you're putting your life at risk.  It doesn't mean every home is a deadly fortress,  but the assumption, ingrained into everyone, is that you may get shot, stabbed, cut up, immolated, or beaten to a pile of pulp.  I don't see that as violent or strange.  them's the rules.  If you enter my house without my permission, I will probably kill you.  I'm not shooting to wound or incapacitate, I'm shooting you center of mass and you will likely die.  But the good new is, if you don't break into my home, I won't kill you, so it's a win-win.

m3thod wrote:

that term lunge is very subjective.....if indeed it happened at all.

Lol this is great, now you're trying to undermine the report itself? Wow, stop smoking what ever you are.

You weren't even on the same continent as the incident, when do you have the right to judge what happened what didn't.

I still can't believe you're trying to defend the death of a repeat offender burglar.  Must be your European values... Maybe it's just you, last time I checked, someone coming on to your property without permission is a threat to your well being. You obviously never have been robbed (Neither have I) but if you knew what you were talking about, you'd realize any theft/break-in leaves the victim feeling vulnerable and scared.

/Is proud to live in a state that allows you to shoot anyone attempting to break in. They don't even have to cross the fucking threshold. I wouldn't want to get blood on my hardwood floors anyways.

Edit:

m3thod wrote:

I'm curious, and this is an open question is american society a violent one?

Absolutely not, we value our property and well being. Maybe it's because we aren't socialist (yet :\) and don't have the same ideals as the rest of the world. Our constitution defines our society: We all are entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If some fucked up druggie breaks into my house, he is disrupting my right to the pursuit of happiness. I'm not going to go cry in a corner.  I'm going to grab my weapon and defend my property.

Last edited by The_Sniper_NM (2009-09-16 21:07:19)

blood never lies

I want to see the sword he used.... I will now procure a katana.  I've all ready got a pretty good mace.  My brother destroyed the last "ninja" sword I owned on a ladder and family room wall.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still shoot the fucker... But this has me wanting a sword now. 

Anyone else see the irony in a that a med student most likely in school to learn how to help save lives, just took one instead?

ROGUEDD wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I want to see the sword he used.... I will now procure a katana.  I've all ready got a pretty good mace.  My brother destroyed the last "ninja" sword I owned on a ladder and family room wall.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still shoot the fucker... But this has me wanting a sword now. 

Anyone else see the irony in a that a med student most likely in school to learn how to help save lives, just took one instead?

I'm look at katana and tanto now O.o Seems like there are some good quality katana out there for under $2000 USD

Excellent.

k.

ROGUEDD wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I want to see the sword he used.... I will now procure a katana.  I've all ready got a pretty good mace.  My brother destroyed the last "ninja" sword I owned on a ladder and family room wall.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still shoot the fucker... But this has me wanting a sword now. 

Anyone else see the irony in a that a med student most likely in school to learn how to help save lives, just took one instead?

I'm look at katana and tanto now O.o Seems like there are some good quality katana out there for under $2000 USD

Fuck that shit, go all out.

Get a Naginata.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I want to see the sword he used.... I will now procure a katana.  I've all ready got a pretty good mace.  My brother destroyed the last "ninja" sword I owned on a ladder and family room wall.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still shoot the fucker... But this has me wanting a sword now. 

Anyone else see the irony in a that a med student most likely in school to learn how to help save lives, just took one instead?

Shall we say "a cut with surgical precision"?

ROGUEDD wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I want to see the sword he used.... I will now procure a katana.  I've all ready got a pretty good mace.  My brother destroyed the last "ninja" sword I owned on a ladder and family room wall.  Don't get me wrong, I'll still shoot the fucker... But this has me wanting a sword now. 

Anyone else see the irony in a that a med student most likely in school to learn how to help save lives, just took one instead?

I'm look at katana and tanto now O.o Seems like there are some good quality katana out there for under $2000 USD

Fail

A "good quality katana" is hand forged of a two digit number of steel layers, the steel selected for various degrees of hardness by intuition of a Japanese craftsman. The blade is then hand polished by some old Japanese geezer who has done nothing else in his life. Any other blade can at most be a finely crafted sword shaped lik a katana.