Valve announces L4D2

2009-07-09 04:39:09

#201

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6269

Miggle wrote:
Spidery_Yoda wrote:
yeah I actually agree with all that. More than ever the 360 is encroaching on PC games, and its causing a massive drop in the number of decent PC games to play. Battlefield is a good example of this .
Battlefield, Call of Duty, Bethesda's Games, Everything.

And now Valve, who we all thought would stand above all this.

Edit:

Gabe says:

Gabe Newell wrote:
I'm not sure how much detail you want on this, but here goes. On the PC, there isn't an approval process or anyone who controls the platform. On the PC we can ship DLC for free. On the consoles, the console manufacturer gets to tell you what the rules are. We want to ship Left 4 Dead updates for free, of course, for the reasons we've always done it that way. On the 360, for example, you can do as many free code updates as you want, as long as they live within an 8 MB update (which is basically nothing). By MS rules, you can do one free content update for each two paying updates. We really encourage Microsoft to remove this constraint and have offered to handle the bandwidth costs ourselves. This is something we are gong to keep coming back to as it affects all of our products on the 360 or any other current or future consoles.

I am somewhat optimistic that this is going to get fixed over time.

We have no intention of letting Left 4 Dead die.

Gabe

So.. Valve as always want stuff to be free. Or at least Gabe does. Notice its always Doug Lombardi who's saying these controversial things and then whenever Gabe makes a statement he wants things to be as they always have been? I'm beginning to think Doug has conflicting interests.

Last edited by Spidery_Yoda (2009-07-09 04:45:07)

2009-07-09 05:25:14

#202

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6402|dm_maidenhead

Microsoft suck. Why don't they just let develepors do what they like with their games.

2009-07-09 05:29:49

#203

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Peter wrote:
Microsoft suck. Why don't they just let develepors do what they like with their games.

Because they're a business... they made the console... they want a share of the profits that game companies make from said console... #101.

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2009-07-09 05:34:12

#204

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6402|dm_maidenhead

Uzique wrote:
Peter wrote:
Microsoft suck. Why don't they just let develepors do what they like with their games.
Because they're a business... they made the console... they want a share of the profits that game companies make from said console... #101.

Yeah, but the game companies don't want to directly profit from the DLC, so why should microsoft.

2009-07-09 05:35:35

#205

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Peter wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Peter wrote:
Microsoft suck. Why don't they just let develepors do what they like with their games.
Because they're a business... they made the console... they want a share of the profits that game companies make from said console... #101.
Yeah, but the game companies don't want to directly profit from the DLC, so why should microsoft.

Because they host the content and provide the framework/means to distribute it, via their Xbox Live?

Business isn't about charity.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2009-07-09 05:39:00

#206

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6402|dm_maidenhead

Uzique wrote:
Peter wrote:
Uzique wrote:

Because they're a business... they made the console... they want a share of the profits that game companies make from said console... #101.
Yeah, but the game companies don't want to directly profit from the DLC, so why should microsoft.
Because they host the content and provide the framework/means to distribute it, via their Xbox Live?

Business isn't about charity.

Well Valve could choose to make PC gamers pay for their updates, but they don't.

2009-07-09 05:44:17

#207

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Peter wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Peter wrote:

Yeah, but the game companies don't want to directly profit from the DLC, so why should microsoft.
Because they host the content and provide the framework/means to distribute it, via their Xbox Live?

Business isn't about charity.
Well Valve could choose to make PC gamers pay for their updates, but they don't.

Different business model, different profit margins on all of their products/services. Think about how much money Microsoft do and potentially can make through the 360- for the initial unit purchase, and the subscription of XboxLive... compared to the potential profits of game companies, that can release new games as often as they like for their platform. Microsoft are just trying to siphon off a share of the console's popularity and success - it's hardly a reprehensible business model.

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2009-07-09 05:53:41

#208

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6269

In fact it's not all that different from Valve getting money from all Steam purchases. It's just that MS are far far more controlling and actually force people to charge for things that they don't want to .

2009-07-09 05:56:25

#209

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6470

Spidery_Yoda wrote:
In fact it's not all that different from Valve getting money from all Steam purchases. It's just that MS are far far more controlling and actually force people to charge for things that they don't want to .

Precisely.

"Business is not charity".

Sure, they don't have to charge, but it's their platform (just as Steam is the Valve-designed distribution system), and so naturally they want their fair share in all of the commerce and success that the provided-framework creates.

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2009-07-15 18:43:45

#210

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6771|PNW

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/videol … l42dcontro does a nice job of explaining the controversy behind L4D2. An unexpected sequel being rushed out when promises for the first game were never fulfilled, and the proximity between 1 and 2's release dates will split the community in two.

Yeah, I see where that's going. I want to play new content as much as anyone else, but couldn't they have made it content for L4D1? I'd have paid for an expansion, considering the time I've spent playing it.

2009-07-16 13:08:03

#211

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6269

Left 4 Dead 2 is racist because it contains 'several' black zombies

I kid you not.

2009-07-16 13:38:59

#212

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6402|dm_maidenhead

Spidery_Yoda wrote:
Left 4 Dead 2 is racist because it contains 'several' black zombies

I kid you not.

I went to tesco the other day and saw several black people. I was offended by the store's racism. They shouldn't let any in.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
not my views, just applying the same logic to show how stupid it is

2009-07-17 04:07:05

#213

Sisco: grandmaster league revivalist; +493|6343

Peter wrote:
Spidery_Yoda wrote:
Left 4 Dead 2 is racist because it contains 'several' black zombies

I kid you not.
I went to tesco the other day and saw several black people. I was offended by the store's racism. They shouldn't let any in.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
not my views, just applying the same logic to show how stupid it is

Wouldn´t be the first one racist for excluding black zombies?

https://www.abload.de/img/bf3-bf2ssig0250wvn.jpg

2009-07-23 10:21:09

#214

Big McLargehuge: Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody; +259|6603|Philadelphia, PA

Swamp Fever revealed.

https://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8779/screenshot219161.jpg

Valve's unveiled another Left 4 Dead 2 campaign including a brand new special infected, new common infected and items.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/ar … ?id=219995

Short video from GT.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc- … dead/53094

More Videos.
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/25617
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/25618
http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/25621

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2009-07-23 16:25:24

#215

Ty: Mass Media Casualty; +2,398|6774|Noizyland

Anyone see the picture of the new Special Infected, "The Spitter" yet?

Prety twisted. Brings to mind some of the concept art Valve did for HL2 and some of the fucked-up creatures they invented but never used.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/left4 … tter10.jpg

[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon

2009-07-23 17:33:29

#216

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6269

Look at the DPS on the Spitter spit here:

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc- … dead/53095

It's absolutely insane. Basically, get out within 3 seconds or you're dead. Also the charger makes a pretty cool appearance at the end.

It's nice to see the infected getting some more powerful tools so they're not so utterly useless against a good survivor team (I'm speaking from the experience from the point of view of the survivor team here), and tools against closet campers too. It's just a shame we have to buy a new game for it .

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2009-07-24 01:27:10

#217

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|6653

The spit doesn't last very long

2009-07-24 01:30:48

#218

RavyGravy: Son.; +617|6405|NSW, Australia

Ty wrote:
Anyone see the picture of the new Special Infected, "The Spitter" yet?

Prety twisted. Brings to mind some of the concept art Valve did for HL2 and some of the fucked-up creatures they invented but never used.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/left4 … tter10.jpg

now thats just fucked up

2009-07-24 13:15:10

#219

Sup3r_Dr4gon: Boat sig is not there anymore; +214|6327|Australia

Ty wrote:
Anyone see the picture of the new Special Infected, "The Spitter" yet?

Prety twisted. Brings to mind some of the concept art Valve did for HL2 and some of the fucked-up creatures they invented but never used.

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/left4 … tter10.jpg

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I'd hit it.

Though I'm still not convinced that that this isn't a reskinned L4D1. Looking at one of the videos, that SPAS-12 has exactly the same animations and stats as the M1014.

2009-07-26 13:46:04

#220

Big McLargehuge: Another Saturday night and I ain't got nobody; +259|6603|Philadelphia, PA

Some more videos.

Chet Faliszek Interview
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc- … dead/53359

Stay Out gameplay
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sdcc- … dead/53361

2009-08-15 10:10:19

#221

Spidery_Yoda: Member; +399|6269

I just had to post this. I actually couldn't believe it.

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/s … stcount=11

shmoker wrote:
People are always complaining.

How about the new game we are getting in like 3 months. Consider it a massive ♥♥♥♥ing update.

Didn't see TF3 after a year. In fact, I still haven't seen it.

Either you take the steady updates, or you take whole new game after just a year.

I'll take the brand new game

2009-08-15 13:30:07

#222

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6463|cuntshitlake

That guy is obviously german or russian or just otherwise mentally disabled.

main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg

2009-09-03 20:44:34

#223

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6537|Long Island, New York

https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_darkcarnival.jpg

The wraps have been taken off Left 4 Dead 2's funland setting, with information on new special infected, settings, objectives and...clowns.

The campaign - Dark Carnival - takes place across a variety of locations, from a hillside to a hotel to the carnival itself, where Valve promises that some of the attractions will be actually be functioning, and playable.

As far as new stuff goes, there's a new t-shirt for Ellis, an electric guitar to use as a melee weapon, a clown zombie that's able to call other zombies over to him and a new special infected: the jockey. Who does what a jockey zombie would be expected to do, and jumps on a survivor's back. To ride them.

While a jockey is on a survivor's back, the player loses control, and is usually steered away from their pals and towards a horde of zombies.

https://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_clown.jpg

http://kotaku.com/5352362/details-on-le … l-campaign

Okay holy shit, playing as The Jockey sounds fun as hell.

2009-09-03 20:48:27

#224

-MetaL*: Sup guies; +157|5633|Southern California

Sadly reminds me of Juggalos and the Insane clown posse.
But that would make the game more enjoyable since it feels like you are killing them.

2009-09-03 20:49:06

#225

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6152|what

Those characters look so fucking stupid. Girl is just there for eye candy. White guy in suit looks like a Colombian drug lord. What is with the black guys shirt, is he going golfing? And the redneck looks like he owns one of the carnival attractions. lol

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