BF2S Forums Forest Jihad comes to AU

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You sir, are cynical.

I'll give you props for making me laugh with the title of the thread.

It surely has nothing to do with clearing native vegetation that acts as natural fire barriers, or stifling natural fires intended to thin out forests, or building fuel-laden homes in natural fire paths.

Nope, why look inward at human causes when we could blame something as intangible as terrorism.

Any point in me asking for a source ?

ATG wrote:

How does vegetation act as a fire barrier.

Right on your doorstep

http://www.bewaterwise.com/fire.html

ATG wrote:

m3thod wrote:

ATG wrote:

How does vegetation act as a fire barrier.

Right on your doorstep

http://www.bewaterwise.com/fire.html

"Of course, nothing is fireproof, including plants, " from your link.

I can forgive those that have never seen or been near a firestorm for thinking plants would stop fire, lulz.

I can't forgive those who don't live in reality blaiming terrorists for forest fires.

Hey, we live in a desert and concentrate fuel.  Why are fires so severe here?  Terrorists!

The article says... They may use the idea of starting fires to cause chaos... after seeing the amount of trouble and death this random fire has caused in AU... it's not that much of a stretch to think they might use this tactic...
wouldn't you if you were a terrorist dirtbag... they could do this to cause trouble and have it cost nothing and not much chance of getting caught?

ATG wrote:

How does vegetation act as a fire barrier.

Green, healthy, vegetation/forest, burn slower and thus allow firefighters time to control the blaze.

Dead, ill, wild vegetation/forests burn fast and furiously.

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

after seeing the amount of trouble and death this random fire has caused in AU... it's not that much of a stretch to think they might use this tactic...
wouldn't you if you were a terrorist dirtbag... they could do this to cause trouble and have it cost nothing and not much chance of getting caught?

There's only a certain period during the year (Dry Spring/Summer) where bushfires pose a significant enough threat to large amounts of people/property (even then there's still the chance of getting the fires under control). Not to mention the fact we have enough natural and arson fires starting up every year anyway.

It's too much effort for an attack that's not guaranteed to do anything.

(Bushfires are actually supposed to be a GOOD thing, so long as they're kept away from populated areas.)

Perhaps the Muslims have managed somehow to push the earth closer to the sun to rise the temperatures to record highs.
There are fires every year in Oz, its just hotter and therefore more devastating this year.
Now, put your tinfoil hat back in the dresser and go do some work!

Warhammer wrote:

mafia996630 wrote:

Any point in me asking for a source ?

http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/5487/53/
Here is ATG's information.
Well this link tells about an Islamic group encouraged in doing this.
I wouldn't put it out of the question that radicals did this considering the points from the websites they monitored.
It would be a good strategy to cause harm towards people. Less risk in getting caught and able to do it very cheaply. Why would you not blame terrorists for this.

See:

Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:

There's only a certain period during the year (Dry Spring/Summer) where bushfires pose a significant enough threat to large amounts of people/property (even then there's still the chance of getting the fires under control). Not to mention the fact we have enough natural and arson fires starting up every year anyway.

It's too much effort for an attack that's not guaranteed to do anything.

(Bushfires are actually supposed to be a GOOD thing, so long as they're kept away from populated areas.)

Spark wrote:

Bushfires happen without fail every year.

It's just that these year the bushfires were unusually fast in unusually extreme conditions...

Besides, it doesn't fit with the terrorists' strategy. Surreptitiously starting a bushfire whose effectiveness relies on the weather of all things (nature is very, very fickle at times) doesn not fulfill their preferred method of striking precisely for as much havoc as they can, and shouting "IT WAS US, WESTERN INFIDELS" as loud as they possibly can.

Warhammer wrote:

So you out rule the possibility that a terrorist could have started it.

I'm just saying that the chance of a Terrorist starting the fires is even less likely than it being a natural occurrence or Arsonists.

(You could be picky and classify Arsonists as Domestic Terrorists, but I'm not sure that counts in this context)

Warhammer wrote:

So you out rule the possibility that a terrorist could have started it.

Yes.

Now prove me wrong before spewing such outlandish actualisations.

Harmor wrote:

ATG wrote:

How does vegetation act as a fire barrier.

Green, healthy, vegetation/forest, burn slower and thus allow firefighters time to control the blaze.

Dead, ill, wild vegetation/forests burn fast and furiously.

You've never been to Australian have you? Our main 'vegetation' are Eucalyptus trees.

Eucalyptus oil is highly flammable (trees have been known to explode and bush fires can travel easily through the oil-rich air of the tree crowns. The dead bark and fallen branches are also flammable. Eucalypts are well adapted for periodic fires via lignotubers and epicormic buds under the bark.

Fire is used as a natural regenerative in Australia as lots of native plants need it to germinated and are designed to burn very hot and very quick for a short period so the actual tree isn't totally destroyed.

[TUF]Catbox wrote:

The article says... They may use the idea of starting fires to cause chaos... after seeing the amount of trouble and death this random fire has caused in AU... it's not that much of a stretch to think they might use this tactic...
wouldn't you if you were a terrorist dirtbag... they could do this to cause trouble and have it cost nothing and not much chance of getting caught?

As been said fires happen annually in Australia without fail, the difference with these ones were the 3 days of 45^o temperatures before hand to totally dry out the undergrowth, the low humidity and a dry northerly wind to fuel and push the fires at huge speeds (80+ kmh). Not to mention most of Australia has been in relative drought for the past 15 years. If terrorists were to light these fires then they would have been waiting around for a good 30 years for the right conditions and would have had 2 days in which to enact their plans before the conditions subsided.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2009-02-10 21:03:21)