The OP could be considered offensive by calling homosexuality a mental DISORDER. Disorder implies there's something wrong with it. I think this is why Macbeth's OP is a lame troll. He should at least be more careful in the words he chooses. Rather like Galt's ridiculous idea it is a 'genetic defect', which is alos offensive and an extremely dumb idea.
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hahahaha I just noticed your sig...just shows that you have no interest in debating since all the people there just happen to be ones who disagree with you most of the time. LMAO.JohnG@lt wrote:
As to the last, see my sig
Don't worry I know you won't respond, and I couldn't care less. It's pretty sad you bother posting in DST with an attitude like that. Dear oh dear.
Which posts?nukchebi0 wrote:
It certainly sounded like there were a lot of Westerners on it, at least according to posts made by anti-Israeli members earlier in the thread.
what difference does it make anyway?
Not quite true, unless you have another meaning of 'bad' in mind. (I assume by 'bad' you mean responsible for equal atrocities and attacks/deaths etc)jord wrote:
Both are as bad as eachother.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Israelis and Palestinians Killed in the Current Violence
At least 6,348 Palestinians and 1,072 Israelis have been killed since September 29, 2000.
American news reports repeatedly describe Israeli military attacks against the Palestinian population as “retaliation.” However, when one looks into the chronology of death in this conflict, the reality turns out to be quite different.
Source: The number of Palestinian deaths is almost certainly an underestimate as it does not include the most recent deaths in the West Bank. B'Tselem, The Israeli Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories reports that 4,908 Palestinians were killed by Israelis and 1,062 Israelis were killed by Palestinians between September 29, 2000 and December 26, 2008. (Visit their statistics page.) The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs reports that at least 1,440 Palestinians were killed during the Israel’s assault on the Gaza strip, between December 27, 2008 and February 5, 2009. The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs reports that 5 Israeli soldiers and 4 civilians were killed by Palestinians between December 27, 2008 and January 18, 2009, and 1 soldier was killed on January 27, 2009.
We apologize for how long it has been since the number of people killed has been updated! Unfortunately, B'Tselem, our main source for this information, has been extremely slow in adding the many Palestinians killed (and few Israelis killed) to their statistics page.
Date Range Palestinians Killed Israelis Killed
Sep 29, 2000 - Dec 26, 2008 4,908 1,062
Dec 27, 2008 - Feb 5, 2009 1,440 10
Sep 29, 2000 - Feb 5, 2009 6,348 1,072
The numbers cited above include civilians and combattants killed by members of the opposing nationality (and therefore, do not include Palestinians killed by an explosive device that they set or was on their person, Israelis killed in 'friendly fire' incidents, etc.). The numbers also do not include the sizable number of Palestinians who died as a result of inability to reach medical care due to Israeli road closures, curfews, the Israeli closure of border crossing from Gaza, etc.
The figure for Palestinian deaths is extremely conservative, since it is difficult for B'Tselem to report on deaths in the Palestinian territories. The Palestine Red Crescent Society, internationally respected for its statistical rigor, reports significantly higher numbers of Palestinian deaths. We do not doubt the reliability of their data, and only use B'Tselem's more conservative numbers because they collect data on both populations.
In the past we used the statistics provided by Israel’s military for the number of Israelis killed, but they have not updated their statistics page since early in 2006. In addition, there is reason to believe that their numbers may have been somewhat inflated.
Breakdown of Deaths
Israelis Palestinians
Children Killed
(More on the impact on children.) 123 1,487
Civilians* Killed 731 2,770 - 4,596
B'Tselem & UN OCHA
People killed in the course of a targeted killing 1 386 or more
People who were the object of a targeted killing 1 233
People killed on own land 584 (54.5%) 6,217 (98.9%)
People killed on others' land 487 (45.5%) 71 (1.1%)
B'Tselem
* The Palestinian people do not have a military, so the usual classification of civilian is not being used. Instead B'Tselem provides data on the number of Palestinians who did not participate in hostilities, a significantly more stringent qualification than the one used to identify Israeli civilians. We do not know how many of the Israelis listed as civilians participated in the hostilities. Many settlers who illegally have taken over parts of the West Bank (and used to live in parts of the Gaza Strip) are heavily armed and there have been numerous reports of their brutal attacks on their Palestinian neighbors.
Causes of Deaths of Israeli Soldiers
2005
Committed Suicide 30
Illness 14
Accidents 26
Terror Incidents 6
Source: Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv, Oct. 10, 2005, p. 6.
Note: The paper also reported that since 1992, 459 Israeli soldiers have committed suicide.
Obviously these figures are only deaths, and do not inlcude homes bulldozed, infrastructure destroyed etc etc.
The ship was a Turkish ship carrying mainly Turks. What you talkin about boy?nukchebi0 wrote:
Why was a a ship carrying Western activists in an obvious attempt to publicize Israel's blockade flagged as a vessel from Turkey?Dilbert_X wrote:
They were, but Israel has a habit of shitting in the face of their allies.Spark wrote:
I'm quite stunned by Turkey's reaction. Weren't they close allies not too long ago?
well said.Diesel_dyk wrote:
Op's like these are just a veiled invitation to have a (fill in the blank) bashing bitch session. Its nothing but a troll disguised as an OP. Total garbage.
So Hamas shoots rockets BECAUSE they want Israel to kill some Palestinians? Right. Makes sense.
OR Hamas shoots rockets because they're being illegally occupied, blockaded, Israel constantly commits HR violations in Palestine, has ignored UN resolutions and nothing else makes any difference. So they do what anyone could do, try and attack back using the shitty equipment they can smuggle in. Wuoldn't you do the same if you were one of them?
Let's face it, often it's tit-for-tat. Should Hamas send rockets into Israel? No of course not. Should some pricks blow themselves up in markets? Of course not. Should Israel be doing all the shit they're doing? No, of course not. But who has the power to change the situation? ISrael does. It is clearly Israel's continued HR violations etc etc that are prolonging the conflict much more than anything Hamas does. I think suicide bombings are unforgiveable. I also think building illegal settlements on Palestinian land are unforgiveable. As is missiles and tanks in civilian neighbourhoods and whatever.
OR Hamas shoots rockets because they're being illegally occupied, blockaded, Israel constantly commits HR violations in Palestine, has ignored UN resolutions and nothing else makes any difference. So they do what anyone could do, try and attack back using the shitty equipment they can smuggle in. Wuoldn't you do the same if you were one of them?
Let's face it, often it's tit-for-tat. Should Hamas send rockets into Israel? No of course not. Should some pricks blow themselves up in markets? Of course not. Should Israel be doing all the shit they're doing? No, of course not. But who has the power to change the situation? ISrael does. It is clearly Israel's continued HR violations etc etc that are prolonging the conflict much more than anything Hamas does. I think suicide bombings are unforgiveable. I also think building illegal settlements on Palestinian land are unforgiveable. As is missiles and tanks in civilian neighbourhoods and whatever.
so who's powerless? the gazans with their shitty rockets who resort to shitty tactics cos thats all they can do, or Israel and their mighty war machine? Who has the power, and who is crushing families? Hint: it's not the gazans.JohnG@lt wrote:
What makes you feel powerless is what scares you.
(btw the fact that rthese shitty rockets you keep referring to hardly ever hit anyone and are aimed at ILLEGAL ISraelit settlements means nothing to you?)
lolJohnG@lt wrote:
Consider this the last time I respond to you in any thread. You're obviously on the same intellectual plane as ruis.
and you're one with lowing tbh
errr...some kitchen knives, bits of wood and some tools it looks like.
maybe if I was being attacked i'd want to defend myself too...just sayin'
whoever is doing that is a serious retard.specialistx2324 wrote:
P.S. congratulations to the karma spamming retard out there, your just making yourself more of a fag each day.
no, you insult them in threads which is why we're having this discussion. See previous page.JohnG@lt wrote:
Same, karma is reserved for good posts
not really true, a lot of people's karma consists of other people saying what an asshole they are...although sometimes that's practically a compliment.Trotskygrad wrote:
it's a standard to how well accepted you are in the forums.
As a woman?Cybargs wrote:
Then I'd qualify lelz.
No disrespect to Eifa but I duno why mods should be appointed on their sex? Affirmative action? I definitely want some black people/Asians/Mexicans etc as admin then.SEREMAKER wrote:
since we don't have a female on mod board how about Eifa
On the other hand, Eifa is Finnish so that'd fell two birds with one mouse click
LMFAO this comment just shows you have no clue. It's too dumb to even be considered an insult.JohnG@lt wrote:
Besides, it's all a matter of perspective anyway. ruisleipa is clearly an anti-semite but if I mention that, I get called a troll.
You get offended by me cos you have thin skin and then you say I should go away (or 'fuck off' probably knowing your level of talk), and yet here you are saying it's OK to insult people? Wtf are you on?
If you don't feel like contributing to a thread then fucking don't post. If you don't like the same 4-5 topics coming up then go to a different forum. It's reeeeal simple.
Personal attack
menzo. 20 yrs old. looking for gay/bi young boys for intimate fun. contact via PM.
hmmmm...OK you're probably right. stupid camera angles confusing me.liquidat0r wrote:
lulz, oh yeah. I didn't noticeruisleipa wrote:
daily fail more like - they're two pics from TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.
Shall we play spot the difference?
(unless more than one hole was created?)
Actually, I disagree.
http://i46.tinypic.com/10s5f1v.png http://i48.tinypic.com/xbwi6r.png
Same building
my bad
well where's the blue building in both pics then?menzo wrote:
do it becuase those 2 pics are from the same place
i'll happily admit my mistake if they are.
In fact the second one looks a bit photoshopped dunnit?
daily fail more like - they're two pics from TWO DIFFERENT PLACES.liquidat0r wrote:
Daily Mail has a couple of good pics
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … -city.html
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5463 … 683290.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8381 … 67dc30.jpg
Shall we play spot the difference?
conviction is great, at least on consoles, but waaaay too short. easy trophies/achievements though if you're into that.
considering someone to be disrespectful and them trying to be disrespectful aren't the same thing. Being offended becasue someone is trying to offend you and being offended cos you THINK they're trying to offend you aren't the same thing.JohnG@lt wrote:
No, I don't care if people have dissenting opinions... as long as they know what they are talking about, aren't trying to be completely disrespectful like in the Memorial Day thread yesterday, and are actually making logical points instead of just pushing an ideology.
The minute we start moaning cos we assume people are doing something they aren't you might as well not bother having a DAST.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=138150firebolt5 wrote:
*Waits for "Most Overrated Games" and "Most Underrated Games" threads*
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err yah it's 60 metres deep.-Sh1fty- wrote:
That thing looks deep !
Do you get all your news from Fox btw?
good idea.
Lots of people could do with smoking 'erb.
I'm in.
Lots of people could do with smoking 'erb.
I'm in.
I believe it is called Veterans day in the US. And it is a holiday there. In the UK it isn't but most people consider Remembrance Sunday to be the main date of remembrance.Karbin wrote:
Nov 11th is the day for the British Commonwealth, called Remembrance Day. And NO it is not a holiday.
In the UK there's also Armed Forces Day on June 27th, but that is NOT a holiday.
No. Maybe you don't remember correctly cos you never learned it in the first place?-Sh1fty- wrote:
IIRC, yes...liquidat0r wrote:
or is it just an American day?
lolTrotskygrad wrote:
Chinese Toilet paper: 20% chance of ass rashTurquoise wrote:
Welcome to America, where everything is a political issue.
Next up.... Obama's choice of toilet paper has conservatives all fired up.
American Toilet paper: He's trying to look patriotic but he really isn't!
Brazilian toilet paper: made from Tropical rainforest trees OMGGGGGG
Russian Toilet paper: He's polluting Lake Baikal OMGGGGGGGGG.
European Toilet paper: He's not buying American OMGGGGG.
I have practiced Buddhism in the past so I'm pretty alright about it.blademaster wrote:
how do you feel about Budhism and Hinduism since they believe in multiple deities aka Gods?
Don't really have an opinion about Hinduism tbh. Pretty dumb probably.
I object to the idea that there is a god sitting on a cloud making judgements on us. It's blatantly false and a tool for control. It's so obvious. That is my gripe and why I say believing in THAT KIND OF God is retarded. However, if you consider 'God' to be something like a non-conscious togetherness or love or some hippy thing...well I have more sympathy for the hippies, let's say.
but take away the deity and what are you left with?DesertFox- wrote:
Neither side has proof, and the existence of any sort of God has so much emphasis placed on it nowadays that people act like somehow disproving the existence of a deity would render that belief system invalid when the idea of religion revolves around a hell of a lot more than just worshipping a deity.
These points:11 Bravo wrote:
what points? i am not trying to argue your points. they may be valid. i already knopw it is going to be anti israel or anti us. the wrods may change but the context remains constant.
i am asking why dont you go protest then? or something like that?
not 'anti Israel' or 'anti US'.ruisleipa wrote:
EVEN IF that were the case the FACTS are that the boats were in INTERNATIONAL WATERS carrying AID to Gaza, and that Israel's blockade of Gaza is ILLEGAL. How does this differ from simple piracy?
nice that you don't care the points atre valid or not. Remind me why you bother posting here again?
And like I said I DO 'protest or something like that'. But I don't have to justify anything to you and it makes no difference to this thread.
no really you two ARE funny, like two retarded parrots.11 Bravo wrote:
no really. you seem so angry about it. go do something. or is quote trees on the interweb your idea of solving the problem?
I DO do stuff about what I'm passionate about, but you see I don't have to justify myself to you since you never debate with me, constantly call me names and genreally act like you're five years old.
Now address my points if you're bothered. Want me to spell 'em out again?
lmfao are you two fucking each other?
which god are you talking about? I'm talking about the judaeo-christian one mainly but there's no allah either. Or do you think otherwise?
which god are you talking about? I'm talking about the judaeo-christian one mainly but there's no allah either. Or do you think otherwise?
no I'm talking about the tanks and bulldozers and missiles and snipers and all the other shit Israel are doing in Gaza and the West Bank. Why what are you talking about?Harmor wrote:
War crimes? Are you talking about the 800, or was it 8,000 (don't recall), unguided missiles shot into Israeli civilian settlements? Or the suicide bombers in civilian markets?
riiightDesertFox- wrote:
Highlighted for great justice and the mentally inept. This isn't the proper thread for this manner of discussion, but you imply that one side of an unknowable argument is better than the other. Putting one baseless argument on the high ground against the baseless opposite is downright foolish. A good deal of your posts are trollish in nature, though, so it's to be expected.
prove to me that god exists and then i'll be interested. otherwise, forget about it.
Aaah good harmor is here to tell us everything exactly how it is. I mean, for the record and all.Harmor wrote:
For the record the flotilla was done to antagonize Israel. You don't poke a stick into a hornet's nest and expect good things to happen.
Maybe it was done to pressurise Israel to lift their illegal blockade of Gaza and continuing war crimes? In which case the IDF has kind of helped them along the way don't you think?
look you bunch of twats. When I posted hours ago you'll notice I said the CONSENSUS was that the people on the boats had no guns. As far as I know that is still the case. If any of you have any evidence they DID have guns and started shooting the Israelis first please present it.Trotskygrad wrote:
and ruis, you need to get off your high horse and look at ALL the evidence, even the evidence that does not support your opinion. There's something called counterpoint, and all the pros use it. When you deny the people on the aid convoy had guns, you sound like that twat on the news radio this morning who was for the "Free Gaza" movement, you make the entire convoy sound like a fuckfestasticly bad idea. That's because you ignore the vices of the Aid workers and just focus on bashing the Israelis, it makes you look like you're trying to cover some shit up. Then when people pin you down on points you defend them and make yourself sound extremist and naïve.
EVEN IF that were the case the FACTS are that the boats were in INTERNATIONAL WATERS carrying AID to Gaza, and that Israel's blockade of Gaza is ILLEGAL. How does this differ from simple piracy?
It's nice though you think I'm so in the loop I could 'cover something up'. I know as much as you tbh, I just interpret it differently, and since the IDF have form when it comes to attacking civilians and blowing up aid ships etc etc ad nauseum, like I said, excuse me if I'm a bit cynical about a fucking IDF statement.
No-one's pinned me down on any points, in fact no-one's addressed anything I posted other than to call me names like a bunch of playground retards.
Now you can call me dumb names on teh interweb all you like, I couldn't give a flying fuck, but those're the facts, so please address them.
boohooeleven bravo wrote:
"irony is ironic" has got to be one of the most obnoxious posts i have ever read on this forum especially when it makes the person writing it look like a fucking retard. especially when they continue to post it.
god tortured people? wut?11 Bravo wrote:
god tortured people, ruis.
troll some more please. you are ruining this section. funny thing is nobody cares. used to be a good section a couple years ago till twats like you came along.
as for the rest of what you posted, coming from one of the biggest trolls in the site it's a joke.
jog on.
GravyDan wrote:
I'm an American, and God has deemed me better than that. I'll take my coffee handed to me in the car, thank you.
No you just shoot/inject/electrocute them instead.JohnG@lt wrote:
Simple really. Secular states are not in the habit of decapitating their enemies, only those driven by religious fervor.
Oh I forgot..one nation under God.
Irony is ironic?JohnG@lt wrote:
Using gas, shooting people with a bullet, cutting off their head, does it really matter? Dead is dead.
LMFAO dumb dumb. The consensus if you believe an IDF spokesman is that the poor liddle IDF hevily armed commandos did nothing wrong in shooting what ere civilians on an AID boat in international waters.rdx-fx wrote:
"Live fire was used against our forces. They initiated the violence, that's 100% clear," [Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev] said.ruisleipa wrote:
5) People didn't have guns on the boat, the only people who brought guns there were the Israelis (at least that's what the consensus is now)
So, yeah.. that's what the consensus is if you're prone to completely ignoring what the other side says outright. As expected, Ruis already has his mind made up before all the information is in.Because it was at least as much of a PR & Propaganda ploy, as it was an aid shipment.ruisleipa wrote:
6) in the thread title why is 'aid' in speech marks?
With the intentionally focused media coverage, large number of semi-celebrity types onboard, and just number of ships - it was more of a staged PR maneuver than a real aid shipment.
If you're a twat, that would be your immediate belief I suppose.
Well, excuse me if I'm a little bit cynical about anything the fucking IDF spokesman reports what the IDF commandos said
PR& Propaganda? Riiiight. Well, the Israelis are good at that so maybe they've been taking lessons. You have proof of that I suppose? Oh of course not that would mean you would be intelligent. And you'd know what a 'real' aid shipment looked like? LOL. Maybe they need the publicity to stop Israel just blowing up the ships...wouldn't be the first time.
For what it's worth the main things that we DO know are enough to judge it was a major fuck up by the IDF. Have I said more? No. Can anyone deny the facts? No.Mekstizzle wrote:
I don't get it, you're just as bad as Ruis. Making your mind up because you're assuming the Israeli government response is all the information that's needed.
It was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, and ISrael's blockade of Gaza is ILLEGAL. That's enough to condemn the IDF. We don't even need to know more.
LMFAO. You're sooo funny.JohnG@lt wrote:
You forgot brainless but yeah, that describes you to a T.ruisleipa wrote:
There's now plenty of vids on youtube, some showing the IDF rappelling down and getting stuck into the passengers, one at least from IDF an infrared camera showing some soldiers being attacked. personally I don't think the second vid means fuck all but I guess I'm a biased jew hating anti-american liberal bleh blah
hmmm...if I could give a shit I'd ask you why that post deservces a facepalm.DesertFox- wrote:
If I held you in high enough regard to be bothered to look for a facepalm image to post here, I'd do so right here ---> ___ .ruisleipa wrote:
Sounds like a pretty decent man to me. Why did you highlight those bits in yellow? Perfectly reasonable imo beyond the fact that anyone who believes in god is retarded.Macbeth wrote:
The truth about the 'mosque': The leader of proposed Muslim center near Ground Zero defends his plan
I'd love to drive a hummer straight THRU a fuckin starbucks and out the other side covered in Latte and human remains.
and Swedish detective novelists...CameronPoe wrote:
I know but it will be an interesting read. There were Holocaust survivors and Nobel peace prize winners on the flotilla.
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yeah civilisation games...that's VERY meh. I agree.
the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
Some games are awsm.
Some games suck.
Some are just 'meh'.
What game do you think was most 'meh'? Maybe it was supposed to be fucking awesome but wasn't, or maybe it should've been shit but was just, y'know, meh.
I say Mass Effect. Totally overhyped but was totally meh in fact.
Some games suck.
Some are just 'meh'.
What game do you think was most 'meh'? Maybe it was supposed to be fucking awesome but wasn't, or maybe it should've been shit but was just, y'know, meh.
I say Mass Effect. Totally overhyped but was totally meh in fact.
Not sure crashing into a lamp post counts as 'parking' but wtf do I know
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