Technically? He said the Jews are infecting the land. It's an awful comment if you ask me, no explanation needed.Bubbalo wrote:
It's what kr@cker's talking about. And technically the guy was saying they should leave Israel and go somewhere else, in the belief that they would ruin wherver they went.sergeriver wrote:
That is out of question. What is on the table is the fact that this guy Auschwitz88 or whatever said that the jews were infecting the land. I support Palestine but I don't want the Jews to be wiped.Bubbalo wrote:
Which ignores the fact that most of the video consists of the evil Muslim murderer walking peacefully away.
Where does he say they're infecting the land?
Here perhaps?Bubbalo wrote:
Where does he say they're infecting the land?
its a bad choice of word for saying that they are obviously not welcome there
i never say that they should be killed.. i said that they should be removed and shipped to another location.
the two states solution will never work.. jews and arabs enjoy shooting at each other
you have the choice to remove the israelis or the palestinians
the ISRAELIS are already westernized (??).. they will be happy in a western nation.
and since the palestinians were there first.. they should take back their land
At least you regret saying that they were infecting the land.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its a bad choice of word for saying that they are obviously not welcome there
i never say that they should be killed.. i said that they should be removed and shipped to another location.
the two states solution will never work.. jews and arabs enjoy shooting at each other
you have the choice to remove the israelis or the palestinians
the ISRAELIS are already westernized (??).. they will be happy in a western nation.
and since the palestinians were there first.. they should take back their land
yes i do..sergeriver wrote:
At least you regret saying that they were infecting the land.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its a bad choice of word for saying that they are obviously not welcome there
i never say that they should be killed.. i said that they should be removed and shipped to another location.
the two states solution will never work.. jews and arabs enjoy shooting at each other
you have the choice to remove the israelis or the palestinians
the ISRAELIS are already westernized (??).. they will be happy in a western nation.
and since the palestinians were there first.. they should take back their land
Good 4U. The first step is to admit your own mistakes.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
yes i do..sergeriver wrote:
At least you regret saying that they were infecting the land.[UTQ]_Ausch88 wrote:
its a bad choice of word for saying that they are obviously not welcome there
i never say that they should be killed.. i said that they should be removed and shipped to another location.
the two states solution will never work.. jews and arabs enjoy shooting at each other
you have the choice to remove the israelis or the palestinians
the ISRAELIS are already westernized (??).. they will be happy in a western nation.
and since the palestinians were there first.. they should take back their land
Well Iwas gonna write my own reply, but hey bud you saved me the hassle. (No KARMA though I not posted enuff :-(TeamZephyr wrote:
I had this written out in the "Israel vs Hezbollah" topic, so I'm bringing it here.Yeah, try again. They did not fire as many V2's as Hezbollah fire Katyushas, and the rockets are much different.Lisik wrote:
V2TeamZephyr wrote:
They fire rockets? Man, thats TOTALLY up with nazi levels of killing people.
nazi was just more powerfull
The reason the nazis are nazis is because of their genocide. I'm taking about the massacre of Jews in concentration camps, the massacre of gypsies and the disabled. The mass killings and executions of slavic people and communists.
Everytime someone finds time to criticise Israel you zionists pull out the "Nazi Card", which is pretty much the "If you oppost us YOUR A NAZI! or an ANTI-SEMITE!" It's fucking pathetic to justify criticism of your country and it's disgusting foreign policy you pull out that card and all of a sudden we are scum.
Israel deserves NONE of the land that you stole off the Palestinian people. None of the Jewish people of Israel are directed descended from the people who once lived in Judea, you are all descended from Europe, America and other places, you stole the land you call yours off the Palestinian Arabs with your "immigration", then you took advantage to start a nation for yourselves without thinking about the locals and then got annoyed when the locals and their friends tried to get that land back.
It's time to dismiss this "Jewish State", you have to create a nation of co-existance, a nation with real democracy, with free religion and free speech. Live in peace with the Palestinians in a single nation called "Republic Of Palestine", you're lucky to be where you are, now try to enjoy the gift that they let you have as you CO EXIST FOR FUCKS SAKE, and the reason you can't co-exist is because of Zionist pricks like yourself who can't accept the fact that OTHER LIVED THERE BEFORE YOUR IMMIGRATION.
To quote Peter Garrett, "The time has come, a fact's a fact, it belongs to them, let's give it back"
Nomads may not have had a permanent residence, but they did have a use for the land. Their attachment to it is as serious as anybody else's. The boarders within which they moved are vague, but boarders nonetheless.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
they were mostly a nomadic people without any serious attachment to the land. Palestine was not a country at the time. There was no government, no currency, no flag, no national anthem or anything else that's required to classify something as a country. In other words, there was no sense of unity there. There were just a couple hundred thousand random people living throughout without any real attachment to the land.
The fact that at the time there was no "state" of Palestine or whatever, does not grant anyone the right to move into said region and claim it as their own. Government, flag, currency, anthem and sense of unity are completely irrelevant.
Just because these people lived a different kind of life (which did not entail a central government and currency) does not mean that the land they occupied was up the grabs.
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I addressed this earlier:oug wrote:
Nomads may not have had a permanent residence, but they did have a use for the land. Their attachment to it is as serious as anybody else's. The boarders within which they moved are vague, but boarders nonetheless.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
they were mostly a nomadic people without any serious attachment to the land. Palestine was not a country at the time. There was no government, no currency, no flag, no national anthem or anything else that's required to classify something as a country. In other words, there was no sense of unity there. There were just a couple hundred thousand random people living throughout without any real attachment to the land.
The fact that at the time there was no "state" of Palestine or whatever, does not grant anyone the right to move into said region and claim it as their own. Government, flag, currency, anthem and sense of unity are completely irrelevant.
Just because these people lived a different kind of life (which did not entail a central government and currency) does not mean that the land they occupied was up the grabs.
They had no formally declared country or borders, so "their" land is, in fact, up for grabs. That's how colonization works. Your argument is irrelevant because it can be applied to EVERY nation on earth. The fact of the matter, as I have also outlined before, is that the Arabs have rejected all all proposals to formally allocate the land and live in peace. They will not negotiate for peace and continue to wage war until Israel is moved or annihilated.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Yes, I acknowledged that there were Arabs in the region, but that fact is irrelevant. This is because like any established country today, there was a time when it was not formally a country but still had people living on its land. By your logic, we could go back and argue like this about every country on earth. The only reason why this topic is even this common is due to the turmoil in that region. The key here is that there was no formal country of Palestine at the time.
Legally, the land is Israel's. This also raises the question of whether or not the land is morally their's as well. Israel is a secular liberal democracy in every sense. It believes in the rule of law and in human rights. No one is above the law, just as things should be in a Western democracy. Israel supports gay rights, women's right, and it offers full rights to all citizens, regardless of color or creed. Israel has Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli Parliament) and even Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court as well. It offers Jews, Muslims, and Christians fulls rights in every sense.
The Palestinians, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. They live in a dictatorial society in which speaking out against the government will get you publicly hung. Homosexuals are murdered, women's rights are virtually non-existent, and the general population is taught to hate from birth through constant propaganda in schools, at home, and in the media. They are subjected to constant brainwashing, including classic Jewish blood-libels that create a disgusting bloodlust within their society.
The two societies are not even remotely comparable. Israel wants peace and is continually forced to fight for its right to exist, while the Palestinians continually fight to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the sea", as the popular saying goes.
In the end, Israel legally and morally has the right to the land on which it resides.
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We like you sober.CameronPoe wrote:
I haven't been following the thread closely at all, care little for your views on the issue and to be honest I'm actually drunk but: you're completeley offside here - totally fucking wrong. 'Dictatorial society' - I've been there, don't make me fucking laugh!!! 'Women's rights virtually non-existent'!!! - hilarious: women are well respected and have held fucking ministerial postions for christs sake - not something that happens hardly anywhere in the arab world. You need to take your head out of FOX news' ass and buy a fucking plane ticket to Palestine. I'll pwnerise these stupid misinformed views in a proper manner when I'm back from London on Tuesday and when I'm sober (hopefully).Fancy_Pollux wrote:
I addressed this earlier:oug wrote:
Nomads may not have had a permanent residence, but they did have a use for the land. Their attachment to it is as serious as anybody else's. The boarders within which they moved are vague, but boarders nonetheless.
The fact that at the time there was no "state" of Palestine or whatever, does not grant anyone the right to move into said region and claim it as their own. Government, flag, currency, anthem and sense of unity are completely irrelevant.
Just because these people lived a different kind of life (which did not entail a central government and currency) does not mean that the land they occupied was up the grabs.They had no formally declared country or borders, so "their" land is, in fact, up for grabs. That's how colonization works. Your argument is irrelevant because it can be applied to EVERY nation on earth. The fact of the matter, as I have also outlined before, is that the Arabs have rejected all all proposals to formally allocate the land and live in peace. They will not negotiate for peace and continue to wage war until Israel is moved or annihilated.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Yes, I acknowledged that there were Arabs in the region, but that fact is irrelevant. This is because like any established country today, there was a time when it was not formally a country but still had people living on its land. By your logic, we could go back and argue like this about every country on earth. The only reason why this topic is even this common is due to the turmoil in that region. The key here is that there was no formal country of Palestine at the time.
Legally, the land is Israel's. This also raises the question of whether or not the land is morally their's as well. Israel is a secular liberal democracy in every sense. It believes in the rule of law and in human rights. No one is above the law, just as things should be in a Western democracy. Israel supports gay rights, women's right, and it offers full rights to all citizens, regardless of color or creed. Israel has Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli Parliament) and even Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court as well. It offers Jews, Muslims, and Christians fulls rights in every sense.
The Palestinians, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. They live in a dictatorial society in which speaking out against the government will get you publicly hung. Homosexuals are murdered, women's rights are virtually non-existent, and the general population is taught to hate from birth through constant propaganda in schools, at home, and in the media. They are subjected to constant brainwashing, including classic Jewish blood-libels that create a disgusting bloodlust within their society.
The two societies are not even remotely comparable. Israel wants peace and is continually forced to fight for its right to exist, while the Palestinians continually fight to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the sea", as the popular saying goes.
In the end, Israel legally and morally has the right to the land on which it resides.
Yes, in fact we could. The only reason we don't is because nobody else is complaining, much less dying over territorial issues. Just because some boarders were set at some point in time does not mean things should remain as they are. Although we are generally moving towards that direction, there are a few exceptions, (Cyprus and Kurdistan to name a few others) prime of which is Israel and Palestine.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Yes, I acknowledged that there were Arabs in the region, but that fact is irrelevant. This is because like any established country today, there was a time when it was not formally a country but still had people living on its land. By your logic, we could go back and argue like this about every country on earth. The only reason why this topic is even this common is due to the turmoil in that region. The key here is that there was no formal country of Palestine at the time.
Well, no. You must respect the fact that some people/ tribes choose to live differently than western standards. In Africa for example, there are lots of different tribes living in vague areas, yet nobody can just waltz in and take it on the grounds that they have not declared a country etc. And frankly, considering the age all this took place, I don't see how your argument is legitimate.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
They had no formally declared country or borders, so "their" land is, in fact, up for grabs.
So legally speaking, I see no grounds on which any side can claim all the disputed land as their own. Which leaves us with the moral side of the matter.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Legally, the land is Israel's. This also raises the question of whether or not the land is morally their's as well. Israel is a secular liberal democracy in every sense. It believes in the rule of law and in human rights. No one is above the law, just as things should be in a Western democracy. Israel supports gay rights, women's right, and it offers full rights to all citizens, regardless of color or creed. Israel has Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli Parliament) and even Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court as well. It offers Jews, Muslims, and Christians fulls rights in every sense.
The Palestinians, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. They live in a dictatorial society in which speaking out against the government will get you publicly hung. Homosexuals are murdered, women's rights are virtually non-existent, and the general population is taught to hate from birth through constant propaganda in schools, at home, and in the media. They are subjected to constant brainwashing, including classic Jewish blood-libels that create a disgusting bloodlust within their society.
The two societies are not even remotely comparable. Israel wants peace and is continually forced to fight for its right to exist, while the Palestinians continually fight to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the sea", as the popular saying goes.
To begin with, I cannot follow your logic. Regardless of your opinion for each nation, the idea that "we", whoever that may be, are to act as referees and decide who should claim the land based on their morale is just absurd. They are both people. Good or bad, it certainly does not matter. What you're saying essentially is that "We, the righteus, have decided that you people are good and you people are bad so the latter fuck off".
And finally, the last thing I want is to defend the Palestinians on this, but your comments are totally biased. In my view, the Palestinians are too patriotic and too religious, but then again, nobody in the right mind can blaim them for that. Survival, I call it.
As for Israel, I just don't know where to start... I guess I'll leave that to someone with more free time. Let me just remind you of Mordechai Vanunu, and the general policy of Israel regarding its nukes.
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Are you sure? Shortly after the Sharm El Sheikh conference, the Israeli Knesset, followed by the Israeli cabinet on February 20, approved the disengagement plan , which calls for unilateral evacuation of 21 settlements in Gaza and 4 in the West Bank by the summer of 2005. The disengagement was to be coordinated with the Palestinian Authority. Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Prime Minister, promised to help ensure quiet during the evacuation. If the land is Israel's why did Israel evacuate Gaza and West Bank? Why the UN has condemned several times the new settlements?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Legally, the land is Israel's. This also raises the question of whether or not the land is morally their's as well.
Israel believes in Human Rights? Aren't Palestinians Humans? Aren't Lebaneses Humans?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Israel is a secular liberal democracy in every sense. It believes in the rule of law and in human rights. No one is above the law, just as things should be in a Western democracy. Israel supports gay rights, women's right, and it offers full rights to all citizens, regardless of color or creed. Israel has Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli Parliament) and even Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court as well. It offers Jews, Muslims, and Christians fulls rights in every sense.
It's easy to talk when you are safe in your house. Where did you read about all these things? You are wrong. You make Palestinians look like bad people and they don't do all the things you said. The propaganda you claim has a reason, if your neighbor is attacking and oppressing you all the time, would you like him?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
The Palestinians, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. They live in a dictatorial society in which speaking out against the government will get you publicly hung. Homosexuals are murdered, women's rights are virtually non-existent, and the general population is taught to hate from birth through constant propaganda in schools, at home, and in the media. They are subjected to constant brainwashing, including classic Jewish blood-libels that create a disgusting bloodlust within their society.
This part is hilarious, Israel wants peace? That's why last June they killed 1500 Lebanese people because of two kidnapped soldiers, destroying half Lebanon.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
The two societies are not even remotely comparable. Israel wants peace and is continually forced to fight for its right to exist, while the Palestinians continually fight to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the sea", as the popular saying goes.
Both Israelis and Palestinians, legally and morally have the right to be on that land.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
In the end, Israel legally and morally has the right to the land on which it resides.
Every war, at some level, affects the civilian populace. There is no such thing as a war without 'collateral damage'. The actions that are taken during war are, by definition, contrary to the most basic of human rights.sergeriver wrote:
Israel believes in Human Rights? Aren't Palestinians Humans? Aren't Lebaneses Humans?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
Israel is a secular liberal democracy in every sense. It believes in the rule of law and in human rights. No one is above the law, just as things should be in a Western democracy. Israel supports gay rights, women's right, and it offers full rights to all citizens, regardless of color or creed. Israel has Arab Members of Knesset (Israeli Parliament) and even Arabs on the Israeli Supreme Court as well. It offers Jews, Muslims, and Christians fulls rights in every sense.
Are you justifying their propaganda? It seems a bit weird to me that a self-proclaimed Jew as yourself finds their blood libels understandable.sergeriver wrote:
It's easy to talk when you are safe in your house. Where did you read about all these things? You are wrong. You make Palestinians look like bad people and they don't do all the things you said. The propaganda you claim has a reason, if your neighbor is attacking and oppressing you all the time, would you like him?Fancy_Pollux wrote:
The Palestinians, on the other hand, are the complete opposite. They live in a dictatorial society in which speaking out against the government will get you publicly hung. Homosexuals are murdered, women's rights are virtually non-existent, and the general population is taught to hate from birth through constant propaganda in schools, at home, and in the media. They are subjected to constant brainwashing, including classic Jewish blood-libels that create a disgusting bloodlust within their society.
You're totaly missing the point. The desire for peace is not reflected in the damage the war has inflicted Lebanon. 1500 dead are the result of a war, not the result of Israel's supposed lack of interest in peace. As a matter of fact, immediately after the conflict ended, Israeli PM called for peace with Lebanon, inviting the Lebanese PM to meet with him. He also stated that Israel has no quarrel with the Lebanese people, only with those who wish to undermine it's security. Seniura's response was more than chilling, saying Lebanon will be the last country to sign a peace treaty with Israel.sergeriver wrote:
This part is hilarious, Israel wants peace? That's why last June they killed 1500 Lebanese people because of two kidnapped soldiers, destroying half Lebanon.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
The two societies are not even remotely comparable. Israel wants peace and is continually forced to fight for its right to exist, while the Palestinians continually fight to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the sea", as the popular saying goes.
Please this is not a war, this a conflict between a country with a strong Army, Israel, and another one without an Army, just a bunch of extremists. David vs. Goliath, but this time Israel is Goliath.QuestionMark wrote:
Every war, at some level, affects the civilian populace. There is no such thing as a war without 'collateral damage'. The actions that are taken during war are, by definition, contrary to the most basic of human rights
I don't justify Palestine or Israel, they both are guilty and they both belong to that land. I'm a "self-proclaimed" Jew but not deluded, most of the blood in this conflict is Palestinians'.QuestionMark wrote:
Are you justifying their propaganda? It seems a bit weird to me that a self-proclaimed Jew as yourself finds their blood libels understandable.
You easily defend Israel by saying it was a war, but when did Israel show interest in peace? They destroyed Lebanon for 2 kidnapped guys. Israel called for peace after destroying Lebanon, are you kidding me?QuestionMark wrote:
You're totaly missing the point. The desire for peace is not reflected in the damage the war has inflicted Lebanon. 1500 dead are the result of a war, not the result of Israel's supposed lack of interest in peace. As a matter of fact, immediately after the conflict ended, Israeli PM called for peace with Lebanon, inviting the Lebanese PM to meet with him. He also stated that Israel has no quarrel with the Lebanese people, only with those who wish to undermine it's security. Seniura's response was more than chilling, saying Lebanon will be the last country to sign a peace treaty with Israel.
Oh, here's where you're wrong. Hezbollah is an army in every sence of the word. They have weapons, Islamofacist ideology, and a destructive agenda. Hardly a "David", as you put it. Their power is formidable even Middle-Eastern standards.sergeriver wrote:
Please this is not a war, this a conflict between a country with a strong Army, Israel, and another one without an Army, just a bunch of extremists. David vs. Goliath, but this time Israel is Goliath.
Its still amazed me that you sympathize those who are bent on killing your fellow Jews, including myself. I, as an Israeli Jew, born in Argentina, can't understand your blind support for Hezbollah and the Palestinian terrorists.
Your response doesn't quite answer what I was referring to.sergeriver wrote:
I don't justify Palestine or Israel, they both are guilty and they both belong to that land. I'm a "self-proclaimed" Jew but not deluded, most of the blood in this conflict is Palestinians'.QuestionMark wrote:
Are you justifying their propaganda? It seems a bit weird to me that a self-proclaimed Jew as yourself finds their blood libels understandable.
It's important to point out that the amount of blood that is being shed, is no indication of whose side is right or wrong.
Israel has called for peace before the war even started. The Syrian-Iranian agents (mainly Hezbollah) within the Lebanese government thwarted that attempt.sergeriver wrote:
You easily defend Israel by saying it was a war, but when did Israel show interest in peace? They destroyed Lebanon for 2 kidnapped guys. Israel called for peace after destroying Lebanon, are you kidding me?QuestionMark wrote:
You're totaly missing the point. The desire for peace is not reflected in the damage the war has inflicted Lebanon. 1500 dead are the result of a war, not the result of Israel's supposed lack of interest in peace. As a matter of fact, immediately after the conflict ended, Israeli PM called for peace with Lebanon, inviting the Lebanese PM to meet with him. He also stated that Israel has no quarrel with the Lebanese people, only with those who wish to undermine it's security. Seniura's response was more than chilling, saying Lebanon will be the last country to sign a peace treaty with Israel.
Kidnapping the 2 Israeli soldiers is a perfectly legitimate Casus Belli, no doubt about it. They violated Israeli sovereignty without provocation. What else could have been done?
No, I'm not one of those "Just nuke the fuckin' place" people. I just found this picture and thought it was a pretty good photoshop. I'm sharing. Cuz sharing is caring And I care. No, really, I do.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Hope in a hopeless world.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 85,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 … 85,00.html
Heres an new one.
+1 to all the Palestinian supporters everywhere. Now I've seen it all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15869604/
+1 to all the Palestinian supporters everywhere. Now I've seen it all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15869604/
Take a look at one more then...rawls2 wrote:
Heres an new one.
+1 to all the Palestinian supporters everywhere. Now I've seen it all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15869604/
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Aahh!! Boo Hoo. Sorry, can't shed any tears for those innocent Palestinians killed because their own men can't learn to build a violent free society. Don't blame Israel, blame the palestinian's warped perception on how to become a state.oug wrote:
Take a look at one more then...rawls2 wrote:
Heres an new one.
+1 to all the Palestinian supporters everywhere. Now I've seen it all.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15869604/
King_County_Downy wrote:
No, I'm not one of those "Just nuke the fuckin' place" people. I just found this picture and thought it was a pretty good photoshop. I'm sharing. Cuz sharing is caring And I care. No, really, I do.
http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/4100258af2.jpg
Bottom line is, they have agreed multiple times to withdraw from both the Gaza Strip (Ariel Sharon's plan in 2005) and the West Bank (again Ariel Sharon) and haven't done so. It is hard for me to support a country that severely handicaps the way the Palestinians live. I agree that much of the Palestinian population does nothing to help their cause in the eyes of humanists, but they (Israel) control every aspect of these two areas, yet politically refer to them (Gaza and West Bank) as unoccupied.Fancy_Pollux wrote:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/ … ion-of.jpgKing_County_Downy wrote:
No, I'm not one of those "Just nuke the fuckin' place" people. I just found this picture and thought it was a pretty good photoshop. I'm sharing. Cuz sharing is caring And I care. No, really, I do.
http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/4100258af2.jpg
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Then again, your signature implies that you think the US are terrorists:KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
It is hard for me to support a country that severely handicaps the way the Palestinians live.
The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault.
Major Ralph Peters, US Military
Because I do it with one small ship, I am called a terrorist. You do it with a whole fleet and are called an emperor.
St. Augustine's "City of God"
Whatever opinion you have of Israel is obviously skewed in some way or another.
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