BF2S Forums Palestine & Israel Discussion Thread

Nice article. Only skimmed it so far, but it all looks very interesting. Hopefully this thread won't be closed by the oppressive forces of censorship. With a bit of luck we can have a nice civil discussion.

Bertster7 wrote:

Nice article. Only skimmed it so far, but it all looks very interesting. Hopefully this thread won't be closed by the oppressive forces of censorship. With a bit of luck we can have a nice civil discussion.

Please take your time and read it.  I strongly recommend everyone to read it.  Then, as you said we can have a nice debate based on real facts.

zimmer92 wrote:

I will make sure this does not get closed.

Thanks m8.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-21 14:11:00)

I had this written out in the "Israel vs Hezbollah" topic, so I'm bringing it here.

Lisik wrote:

TeamZephyr wrote:

Lisik wrote:

If Hezbollah fire rockets and rise hand and screaming Hai, why not to use it like argument?

They fire rockets? Man, thats TOTALLY up with nazi levels of killing people.

V2

nazi was just more powerfull

Yeah, try again. They did not fire as many V2's as Hezbollah fire Katyushas, and the rockets are much different.

The reason the nazis are nazis is because of their genocide. I'm taking about the massacre of Jews in concentration camps, the massacre of gypsies and the disabled. The mass killings and executions of slavic people and communists.

Everytime someone finds time to criticise Israel you zionists pull out the "Nazi Card", which is pretty much the "If you oppost us YOUR A NAZI! or an ANTI-SEMITE!" It's fucking pathetic to justify criticism of your country and it's disgusting foreign policy you pull out that card and all of a sudden we are scum.

Israel deserves NONE of the land that you stole off the Palestinian people. None of the Jewish people of Israel are directed descended from the people who once lived in Judea, you are all descended from Europe, America and other places, you stole the land you call yours off the Palestinian Arabs with your "immigration", then you took advantage to start a nation for yourselves without thinking about the locals and then got annoyed when the locals and their friends tried to get that land back.

It's time to dismiss this "Jewish State", you have to create a nation of co-existance, a nation with real democracy, with free religion and free speech. Live in peace with the Palestinians in a single nation called "Republic Of Palestine", you're lucky to be where you are, now try to enjoy the gift that they let you have as you CO EXIST FOR FUCKS SAKE, and the reason you can't co-exist is because of Zionist pricks like yourself who can't accept the fact that OTHER LIVED THERE BEFORE YOUR IMMIGRATION.

To quote Peter Garrett, "The time has come, a fact's a fact, it belongs to them, let's give it back"

Lisik wrote:

Remember the days of old, consider the years of ages past.... (Deuteronomy 32:7)

The birthplace of the Jewish people is the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael). There, a significant part of the nation's long history was enacted, of which the first thousand years are recorded in the Bible; there, its cultural, religious and national identity was formed; and there, its physical presence has been maintained through the centuries, even after the majority was forced into exile. During the many years of dispersion, the Jewish people never severed nor forgot its bond with the Land. With the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, Jewish independence, lost two thousand years earlier, was renewed.


HISTORICAL HIGHLIGHTS



http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Histo … %20History

Maybe you should read the article posted in the OP.

Here's a relevant little snippet.

Palestine also remained the center of Jewish worship and a part of Jewish culture. However, the Jewish connection with the land was mostly abstract and connected with dreams of messianic redemption.

*edit* I get an error from your link so can't really comment on the content. The source however, is hardly unbiased.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2006-11-22 05:49:26)

I don't mean to dumb this down but given the fact this is the only official thread on the subject I would like to have those interested to answer this question. Simply put, do you think it is possible for these two to coexist given their long brutal history together? Lets hear a yes or no and then an explanation.

the article is BS.

Lisik wrote:

the article is BS.

Please explain why it's BS.

It's written by Dr. Ami Isseroff, technical writer and programmer who lives in Rehovot, Israel. He is Executive Secretary of MidEastWeb for Coexistence.

I think you'll say it's BS if it doesn't say Israel deserves the whole land.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-22 07:07:19)

Lisik wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lisik wrote:

the article is BS.

Please explain why it's BS.

It's written by Dr. Ami Isseroff, technical writer and programmer who lives in Rehovot, Israel. He is Executive Secretary of MidEastWeb for Coexistence.

I think you'll say it's BS if it doesn't say Israel deserves the whole land.

Dr. Ami Isseroff from Rehovot wooooooooooooooooooow im so impressive. The article I posted was writed by thousands Dr's. You bring me one and call it Most Objective Article? lol just lol

Pls explain why the article is BS.  You never back your statements with logical arguments.  Which article of yours was written by thousands of "Dr's"?  I'm sure is totally non biased.
Did you even read it?

Each side believes different versions of the same history. Each side views the conflict as wholly the fault of the other and expects an apology.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-11-22 08:01:31)

rawls2 wrote:

"It is also ignorant to believe something just because it is in print." - Me

I studied a bit this issue, and I can tell this is an objective article.  I don't believe what the article says, I know it.

and 88 is also code for neo nazis

ok since you won't do it i will

kr@cker wrote:

if you want to get back on topic, i'll make it easy for you:

list the defining events of the video (i found 4)

ask yourself what's missing

ask yourself what can be determined and supported from the information provided

ask yourself what can't be determined and supported fromthe information provided

defining events:
subject being apprehended
subject makes grab for soldiers gun
subject is released as top priority is changed to maintaining control of weapons
subject ignores stop order, and is shot in leg

what's missing:
events leading up to the physical confrontation

what can be determined:
two IDF personnel were attempting to detain a subject, subject resisted

what can't be determined:
why the subject was being detained, could have sparked from a simple ID check, could have been harrassment by IDF personnel (though if this was the case i doubt it would have been edited out)

my conclusion:
based on evidence given, a subject was shot in the leg after assaulting two IDF personnel and attempting to leave the scene

your conclusion:
evil israelis hunt down random people on the street and shoot them as they go out to purchase milk for their 5 pre-school age children

i transeferred my post here so you can respond mr ausch88, i'm interested how you came to your conclusions with so little information to work with.

here's his link for those that missed it

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-11-22 12:18:22)

i'm removing all arguments or racism and just asking him to make a legitimate examination of his video and rebut my argument. he won't last long if he comes here and tries to act like a knob again.