BF2S Forums A little more realisitc?

first i started loughing at the word iraqi airforce... THIS IS NOT DC... they are a coalition of multible arab states called MEC. thats why they got russian jets.

and for sharpshooter.. im all with u... dont get the point when teh m-4 has lower damage as the m16

also like the idea when being hit that u cant run anymore...

beeng wrote:

Danger -blast- radius for your standard hand grenade is about 300 meters.  you're pretty much guaranteed to get something in the face if you're standing up to 50 meters from it... and you definitely are going to loose something within 15 m.

hand grenades are a hell of a lot more dangerous than they portrait them... but who cares? its a game and I like to watch people fly when I toss them one of my love-grenades

beeng are you like the most retarded person on the planet? I hope not, cause 300 meters = about 600 feet which is not even CLOSE to the blast radius of a real grenade, I would say the blast radius of a real grenade would be about 2-4 meters or 6-10 feet, to be lethal, and maybe max 10-15 meters or 20-30 feet for damage. the mroe grenades you throw.. the bigger the explosion..

Last edited by shortah (2005-11-11 08:03:18)

shortah wrote:

beeng wrote:

Danger -blast- radius for your standard hand grenade is about 300 meters.  you're pretty much guaranteed to get something in the face if you're standing up to 50 meters from it... and you definitely are going to loose something within 15 m.

hand grenades are a hell of a lot more dangerous than they portrait them... but who cares? its a game and I like to watch people fly when I toss them one of my love-grenades

beeng are you like the most retarded person on the planet? I hope not, cause 300 meters = about 600 feet which is not even CLOSE to the blast radius of a real grenade, I would say the blast radius of a real grenade would be about 2-4 meters or 6-10 feet, to be lethal, and maybe max 10-15 meters or 20-30 feet for damage. the mroe grenades you throw.. the bigger the explosion..

Thanks for not reading the thread and repeating what like 3 people have already said...

Erm... it's a game... it needs to be fun, and somewhat balanced.

If you're not wearing body armor, and I shoot you a little left of center in the chest with a 9mm round from a Beretta 92FS, you're going down, and not ever getting up.  If I miss the heart by a bit, and a medic comes along, maybe you'll be ok... in several weeks, certainly not instantly.  Shock paddles re-start the heart... they don't magically heal bullet wounds.

As for sniper rifles... they are not too powerful to be realistic...  the M24 fires basically a Winchester .308.  I had a .308, and have killed things with it...  I'm pretty sure if I had aimed it at a human being, and hit them in the center of mass, they'd be down, if not out.  Sniper rifles in game are weaker than real... it's just that everything else is even less effective than IRL.  Again... "balance".  If sniper rifles were adjusted down the same as everything else (necessary to prevent 15 seconds of fighting always equalling 15 seconds staring at the screen), no one would use the kit, as you'd have so few kills, you may as well snipe with assault rifles, carbines, etc, that have decent rates of fire (unless you're MEC or PLA).

MEC aircraft: seriously, if you gave them the hardware that average mid-east countries currently posess with no balancing, MEC would never win...  nor would the Chinese for that matter.  And yeah... all countries in the mid-East pretty much fly Russian, American, or European aircraft.  F-16's have been sold or leased to Israel, Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Egypt, South Korea, Pakistan, Venesuela, Turkey, Greece, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Bahrain, Portugal, Taiwan, Jordan, the UAE, Italy, Chile, and Poland, among others.  I know the Saudis have F-15's, E-3's and C-130's, and Iran has F-14's.

As for getting in and out of vehicles...  c'mon, aside from the added overhead of having animations for climbing ladders, closing hatches, etc, etc...  it's just more time on eye-candy, less time playing.  So...  we're going to spend the first half of the round getting in, strapping in, starting, taxiing, etc. and F-15?  Lovely... step 1 of a commander: wait 3 minutes, and artie the enemy runway... they'll never have air assets... ever.  What else you want?  How about if you're being chased real close by an enemy jet, you can use the pilot relief tube to muck up their cockpit canopy.

Now for some of my gripes...

A) The USS Essex is NOT an aircraft carrier... they need to change the text.

B) The US transport hilo is NOT a Black Hawk...  it's a Sea Hawk (even though the tail gear is farther forward on a Sea Hawk... the Navy can't use, and does not buy Black Hawks).

C) Why use a Navy hilo anyhow?  What's wrong with a USMC Huey...  which they are still revising and building (the Navy has a new Huey variant which won't begin delivery until '07), and has more than enough room for the 6 people they want in that craft anyhow.

D) Why spend the resources to model the F-15E...  an Air Force bird?  Just use F-35's for ALL USMC fighter spawns, and F/A-18F's (two-seat Super Hornet) for the fighter-bomber role.  Unlike the F-15, F-18's were built with ground attack in mind (one of the motto's of the original F-15 developers was "not a pound for ground"... well, they were wrong, lol).  Had they kept the previous two in mind, all equipment would be real USMC equipment (except the Essex... which is designed to carry and land Marines...  it's not that big a deal that you'd only have sailors manning the AA equipment).

E?) I'm not completely sure of this... I'm sure a Marine who reads here can elaborate... but I don't think the USMC has medics...  I think they're all Navy HM's who go into combat with Marines.  (The HM rate stands for Hospital Corpsman).  Oh... and this is not something that ought to be fixed, or should have been different... just pointing out something that may be interesting to a few.

Last edited by Lazarus Tag'lim (2005-11-12 16:39:00)

about realism and gameing

1. It doesn't work. especially in multiplayer FPS.

2. if you really want true realism in a game go play one. they are out there but you don't play them cause they suck.

3. Think about it for just one second. a shot from any sniper rifle or any of the large caliber rifles should be a one shot kill unless its in an arm or leg and oh how pissed you would be if u died everytime you moved cause a sniper takes you out in one shot every 2 seconds.

4. flying realistic in a game um sure but you would need about 200 hours to comfortably be able to start the plane and take off.

5. if we're gonna go realistic then you get one death per game. now how do you like those maybe 3 points a game you will be getting. and thats only if you can get close to a flag (the pilot that has 1000 flying hours WILL get your first.)

6. REAL? GO JOIN THE MILITARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7. all true realistic games fail becuse they loose all sence of fun after about 5 min when you realize your always dead.

Last edited by Duramen1 (2005-11-12 17:20:24)

u think an barret is less accurate on 200 m than a g36c carbine. O.o ..

[FIS]-Thor wrote:

Lazarus Tag'lim wrote:

A) The USS Essex is NOT an aircraft carrier... they need to change the text.
.

lol??? O.o then PLEASE take a look at that
http://www.essex.navy.mil/
http://images.google.at/images?hl=de&am … amp;tab=wi


so what is it now?? O.o when its not an aircraft carrier? well but in real it almost looks like an aircraft carrier O.o strange

Research is a virtue - kudos, Thor.

Lazarus Tag'lim wrote:

Why use a Navy hilo anyhow?  What's wrong with a USMC Huey...  which they are still revising and building (the Navy has a new Huey variant which won't begin delivery until '07), and has more than enough room for the 6 people they want in that craft anyhow.

Hueys suck. (by today's standards)
Range of less than 200nm and max airspeed in the low hundred-something range, depending where you look.
Seahawk rocks.
Range of about 700nm, max airseed of about 180 kts. It's what all the services are using... why put an inferior helo in the game (like the Chinese/MEC)

Lazarus Tag'lim wrote:

Why spend the resources to model the F-15E...  an Air Force bird?  Just use F-35's for ALL USMC fighter spawns, and F/A-18F's (two-seat Super Hornet) for the fighter-bomber role...

Well having a relatively small F/A-18F to the MEC and China's huge bodied Sukhois would be hardly fair for the dogfighters, don't you think? Since money isn't our concern (go play an RTS for that), who cares about resources and unit cost. The object here is realistic BALANCE, and the F-15E is more conducive to that.

If you wanna talk about balance, we can get back on the American/MEC/China chopper spiel again...

Lazarus Tag'lim wrote:

I'm not completely sure of this... I'm sure a Marine who reads here can elaborate... but I don't think the USMC has medics...  I think they're all Navy HM's who go into combat with Marines.  (The HM rate stands for Hospital Corpsman).  Oh... and this is not something that ought to be fixed, or should have been different... just pointing out something that may be interesting to a few.

Good catch. Not sure what the difference in-game would be though, since HM's attached to Marine units wear Marine uniforms also.

Last edited by Aegis (2005-11-14 08:37:26)

[FIS]-Thor wrote:

Lazarus Tag'lim wrote:

A) The USS Essex is NOT an aircraft carrier... they need to change the text.
.

lol??? O.o then PLEASE take a look at that
http://www.essex.navy.mil/
http://images.google.at/images?hl=de&am … amp;tab=wi


so what is it now?? O.o when its not an aircraft carrier? well but in real it almost looks like an aircraft carrier O.o strange

the USS Essex (LHD-2) is NOT an aircraft carrier.  Easiest way to tell off the bat, look at its ship classification symbol: LHD.  LHD stands for Amphibious Assault Ship (multi-purpose).  An aircraft carrier would be denoted by "CV" or "CVN".

There have been ships named "Essex" in the past that HAVE been aircraft carriers, however the ship used in the game is the LHD-2. 

Of course, the fact that aircraft carriers don't have a docking bay under the fantail is also kind of a hint...

or the lack of arresting cables...

or catapults...

OR THE FACT THAT IT'S WAY TOO SMALL.

Amphibious Assault ships are used to launch RIBs, AmTracs (APCs), hover craft, choppers, and V/STOL aircraft.  it's too short and almost too narrow to accomidate other aircraft.

And Lazarus, you are correct.  the USMC does not use "medics" but rather Navy Corpsman.  The corpsman are entitled to wear Marine Corps utility and service green uniforms.  they don't wear the eagle, globe, and anchor but most marines consider their corpsman a "honorary" marine.

Last edited by ChiefCrash (2005-12-27 14:20:30)

[OBC]Ben wrote:

Sniper:

If you hit someone in the leg in real life with a sniper, they'll most likely fall down, in BF2 i'd like to see them at least be limping off and slowly as well as lose the ability to sprint and jump, because if you have a bullet in your knee cap, you most likely wont be sprinting and bunny hoppin around. Same thing goes for the chest or arm.

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Pressing E while ending a sentence in a chopper or Jet:

Ive had this mistake so many times its so annoying, for example: could you take me to the main base PleasE? You get ejected out once you hit enter. At least i do.

I think many aspects in the game are that unrealistic simply because EA wants to have a game that isn't that realistic, but simply makes fun.

The two things listed above:
I think the following would be a good improvement, for realism and gameplay. If you shoot someone, the dude u hit should not be able to sprint and jump for a few seconds anymore. If the health bar drops below the 'red area' he should'nt be able to do this at all.

And also, I hate the thing with E. There is a latency problem causing this I think. Should be fixed.

First off helicoptors don't have ejection seats even though countries tryed, but they failed to make it work
and also they have ladders for you to climb up a building and they do have stairs too.

You have no idea how long 50meters is do you? It is half a football field. You would barely if at all get hit by shrapnel. the kill radius on a REAL grenade is about 15-15meters. The rest is woundage or stuned. So before you complain go look up the stats. And my god man how stupid are you? The middle eastern people use weapons from all over the world! They use Russian and Chinese mad AK's as well as aircraft and ground vehicles.