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The_Shipbuilder wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Lowing (although he is like a rock sometimes).

I almost put lowing myself actually. He can be very well-spoken and thoughtful. But his unwillingness to appear to have "lost" or to concede any point, and his tendency to resort to bully opponents him makes me not enjoy reading him. The way that he argues and responds to people makes me want to resist considering any of his ideas or opinions.

This is in sharp contrast to ATG, another person who would seem far from myself on the political spectrum, but who seems respectful toward people who disagree with him. This makes me think about his stances and ideas rather than just dismiss them. It's an admirable quality and one I struggle to replicate.

ok my turn I guess,

First, to all those that named me, friend or foe, I appreciate it.

Second, the only issues that I seem to be drawn to are the anti-American anti-bush threads. The reason you don't see me concede in any of those threads is because I will not concede to your ( in general ) post that Bush is worse than a terrorist, Bush is a Nazi, America is the new 3rd Reich, The world is in more danger of America than any other country, Bush planned 911, Israel is the cause of all the worlds problems crap.

I also believe in freedom. Freedom to succeed or fail at your leisure in America, I have made it clear that I fully support programs that help those that help themselves, or are not able to. For some reason, I get slammed for this.  I guess that isn't good enough. I got to hand out money to those that don't want to earn it as well apparently.

I do have my opinions, and I defend them, I did not just DECIDE to think this way, deep inside I believe what I say ( most of the time). If I didn't, why would I waste time arguing them, when I could get on the band wagon, agree with everyone else and collect karma.

You can say a lot about me, good or bad, but I really hope consistent is one adjective you can use.

Now, the guys that I love to read ( for various reasons): Cameronpoe, Turquoise, sergeriver, ATG, stingray24, shipbuilder, unorginalnuttah, marconious, jonsimon, bubbalo.

and certainly not least...........

NOT <----probably my favorite for elegance at the keyboard.

Last edited by lowing (2006-11-17 22:46:32)

lowing wrote:

Second, the only issues that I seem to be drawn to are the anti-American anti-bush threads. The reason you don't see me concede in any of those threads is because I will not concede to your ( in general ) post that Bush is worse than a terrorist, Bush is a Nazi, America is the new 3rd Reich, The world is in more danger of America than any other country, Bush planned 911, Israel is the cause of all the worlds problems crap.

Who here has actually said that?

Name some.

Which is nowhere near as over the top as lowing claimed.  Further, the US doesn't have to do anything wrong to be a threat to global security.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Which is nowhere near as over the top as lowing claimed.  Further, the US doesn't have to do anything wrong to be a threat to global security.

So your saying that if the USA sits back and hangs it can still be a threat to global security?

Yeah, I didn't quite get that one either. Just be more up front next time and say the US is a terrorist state and Bush is Hitler.

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Second, the only issues that I seem to be drawn to are the anti-American anti-bush threads. The reason you don't see me concede in any of those threads is because I will not concede to your ( in general ) post that Bush is worse than a terrorist, Bush is a Nazi, America is the new 3rd Reich, The world is in more danger of America than any other country, Bush planned 911, Israel is the cause of all the worlds problems crap.

Who here has actually said that?

ummmmmmmmm, yer kiddin' right??

sergeriver wrote:

Fancy_Pollux wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

So your saying that if the USA sits back and hangs it can still be a threat to global security?

Yeah, I didn't quite get that one either. Just be more up front next time and say the US is a terrorist state and Bush is Hitler.

I don't think anybody here could say that US is a terrorist state or Bush is Hitler.  Those things aren't true.  But you must concede that Bush is a bad politician, which doesn't mean there's something wrong with America, in fact most politicians in all the world suck big time.  And Dubya isn't the exception to this.  I often criticize Bush, not America.  Bush is a person and America is a country.  Why would anyone say America is a terrorist state only for Bush being a bad president?  The only terrorist state (as a country who commits terrorist acts all the time) is Israel.  The other terrorism comes from terrorist organizations, not exactly countries.

You could claim that several other middle eastern countries are terrorist states because of their backing of terrorism. Iran for one.

lowing wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Second, the only issues that I seem to be drawn to are the anti-American anti-bush threads. The reason you don't see me concede in any of those threads is because I will not concede to your ( in general ) post that Bush is worse than a terrorist, Bush is a Nazi, America is the new 3rd Reich, The world is in more danger of America than any other country, Bush planned 911, Israel is the cause of all the worlds problems crap.

Who here has actually said that?

ummmmmmmmm, yer kiddin' right??

I could pull up a few names, but those names that looked good earlier in this thread would be trashed.

jonsimon wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't think anybody here could say that US is a terrorist state or Bush is Hitler.  Those things aren't true.  But you must concede that Bush is a bad politician, which doesn't mean there's something wrong with America, in fact most politicians in all the world suck big time.  And Dubya isn't the exception to this.  I often criticize Bush, not America.  Bush is a person and America is a country.  Why would anyone say America is a terrorist state only for Bush being a bad president?  The only terrorist state (as a country who commits terrorist acts all the time) is Israel.  The other terrorism comes from terrorist organizations, not exactly countries.

You could claim that several other middle eastern countries are terrorist states because of their backing of terrorism. Iran for one.

But if we loosen our definition, we will be including America in the category of terrorist states, defeating serge's original point.

Kind of true, I suppose. But states like Lebanon where organisations recognised by some countries as terrorists are in government I think are a different case entirely to the US.

Bertster7 wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

You could claim that several other middle eastern countries are terrorist states because of their backing of terrorism. Iran for one.

But if we loosen our definition, we will be including America in the category of terrorist states, defeating serge's original point.

Kind of true, I suppose. But states like Lebanon where organisations recognised by some countries as terrorists are in government I think are a different case entirely to the US.

Sure, go ahead and call the US a terrorist state anyway then.  I won't care.  I would brush that aside and kick the ass of anyone who needs to be dealt with.

Miller wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

Kind of true, I suppose. But states like Lebanon where organisations recognised by some countries as terrorists are in government I think are a different case entirely to the US.

Please don't compare Lebanon to Israel.  Lebanon is a poor country without any support and they do what they can, and Israel has the entire West support and counts with the best weapons available.  What Israel did to Lebanon in July is pure terrorism.

I can only say that, because Isreal is the cause of most of the hate in the middle east that, they sometimes will have to commit terrorist acts just to survive.

Mostly they are the cause of hate because of their crimes against humanity.

sergeriver wrote:

Miller wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Please don't compare Lebanon to Israel.  Lebanon is a poor country without any support and they do what they can, and Israel has the entire West support and counts with the best weapons available.  What Israel did to Lebanon in July is pure terrorism.

I can only say that, because Isreal is the cause of most of the hate in the middle east that, they sometimes will have to commit terrorist acts just to survive.

Mostly they are the cause of hate because of their crimes against humanity.

No, just because they are gentiles to Islam and have been hated in all of their existence.