ATG
Banned
+5,233|6536|Global Command

CameronPoe wrote:

ATG wrote:

Did they, did they really?
Did Germany lose? Did Japan?
It could be that our act was the one defining moment that propelled the region to a better standard of living.
Only with time may we fairly judge.
Remember, Truman left office with a 25% approval rating. History regards him now as a good war time president. Jimmy Carter was hated like the plague when he left office, proving that some things never change.
They lost the moment Britain drew their borders. They lost again the day USA started supplying Saddam with weapons. They lost a final time when the death/day rate reached a level well in excess of anything Saddam achieved. Germany and Japan are crap analogies. Germany and Japan weren't vehemently continuing the battle to the tune of losing more than 100 citizens a day.
Oh they did, for a time after the war.
I had an great uncle wounded in combat in Germany in 1947.
The war was over, right?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6562

ATG wrote:

Oh they did, for a time after the war.
I had an great uncle wounded in combat in Germany in 1947.
The war was over, right?
The war WAS over. The people of Europe were truly exhausted and only very very rare incidents like that occurred. Post-WWII Germany or Japan is in no way comparable in scale to the diabolical mess that is Iraq.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6536|Global Command
ORLY?
tHEY JUST ROLLED RIGHT OVER AND ACCEPTED THE OCCUPATION?
( CAPS LOCK FTL )
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6562

ATG wrote:

ORLY?
tHEY JUST ROLLED RIGHT OVER AND ACCEPTED THE OCCUPATION?
( CAPS LOCK FTL )
Pretty much yeah. It's funny how this dogged resistance isn't documented much anywhere. I would have thought it would have been a big issue the way you talk about it.
arabeater
Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?
+49|6687|Colorado Springs, CO

d4rkst4r wrote:

you americans are doing what your best at which is complaining

you guys got terrorists pissed off at you, DEAL WITH IT!
Hey buddy, did you ever hear what happened on Sept. 11 2001? Yea I think its more on the lines of the terrorists got the US mad at them and now unfortunately the whole Middle East is having to pay the price for what a few wackos thought was a good idea in pissing off the US. I'm not complaining, i am just sick of people constantly bashing the US. Seriously it has been said over and over and over and over and i'm sure will keep being said until my eyes and ears fucking bleed. Newsflash for Canada, you had better be careful as well, because the last time I was in Iraq I had to share a tent with some of your Army troops( which BTW are cool dudes). Last time I checked Al-Qaeda doesnt really care for any country that has "invaders" on their "holy land". Just a little FYI for all.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6749|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
Sure they're always declaring they're winning in Iraq remember "Comical Ali"? or Baghdad bob as he was known in America - Oh Noes!! quake at the propaganda USA - ATG you really are quite entertaining, maybe you should write Propaganda too +1
The_Shipbuilder
Stay the corpse
+261|6507|Los Angeles

arabeater wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

you americans are doing what your best at which is complaining

you guys got terrorists pissed off at you, DEAL WITH IT!
Hey buddy, did you ever hear what happened on Sept. 11 2001? Yea I think its more on the lines of the terrorists got the US mad at them
But why did they do it, Arab Eater?

And why do you use that nick?

arabeater wrote:

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Too much information
arabeater
Do you have any idea how fooking busy I am?
+49|6687|Colorado Springs, CO

The_Shipbuilder wrote:

arabeater wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

you americans are doing what your best at which is complaining

you guys got terrorists pissed off at you, DEAL WITH IT!
Hey buddy, did you ever hear what happened on Sept. 11 2001? Yea I think its more on the lines of the terrorists got the US mad at them
But why did they do it, Arab Eater?

And why do you use that nick?

Too much information
Ummm.. they're crazy, our support for Israel. Who knows why man.
I use that nick because I was an M249 SAW gunner when I was in Iraq pulling Security Duty and the nickname my unit had for it was the " Arab Eater". I thought it was a cool name so I used it.
Hey man my wife has a thing for Asian chicks so I just play along.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6536|Global Command

IG-Calibre wrote:

Sure they're always declaring they're winning in Iraq remember "Comical Ali"? or Baghdad bob as he was known in America - Oh Noes!! quake at the propaganda USA - ATG you really are quite entertaining, maybe you should write Propaganda too +1
Whatiya think this is?
-Whiteroom-
Pineapplewhat
+572|6666|BC, Canada
12000... never has such an army amassed in the history of man!
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6562

Nicholas Langdon wrote:

12000... never has such an army amassed in the history of man!
LOOOOOOOOOLLL +1
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6412|North Carolina

apollo_fi wrote:

One could argue, though, that the Al-Qaida PR Dept. would have come up with the same exact message, had the election result been different. Or do you think they would've admitted defeat, if the repubs had won?
Exactly...  Al Quida is the kind of group that never admits defeat.  It doesn't matter how many people you've killed, extremists base their actions and message on a mindset that never compromises.  By extension, they never admit weakness.

So, at this point, it really doesn't matter what they think or say.  What matters is what we do as a nation.  You can spin the midterms any way you like, but we needed new leadership, in order to progress past our current situation.

Now, Bush has to admit faults, and hopefully, he and the Democrats can learn from them.
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6651|Seattle, WA

IG-Calibre wrote:

Sure they're always declaring they're winning in Iraq remember "Comical Ali"? or Baghdad bob as he was known in America - Oh Noes!! quake at the propaganda USA - ATG you really are quite entertaining, maybe you should write Propaganda too +1
Too bad its actually true, maybe you should actually read the stories straight from the terrorists sites and news outlets.  You really are quite entertaining with your ignorance. Your example is extremely poor, that is a different situation involing their attempt at DAMAGE control, this is completely different.  Nice try though

We aren't saying that they LOVE democrats.  All we're saying is they wanted them to win so that they could take over Iraq easier.  Think about it, it makes sense, but oh no you can't accept that.  Get over yourself.

Last edited by AlbertWesker[RE] (2006-11-12 22:09:54)

AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6651|Seattle, WA

Turquoise wrote:

apollo_fi wrote:

One could argue, though, that the Al-Qaida PR Dept. would have come up with the same exact message, had the election result been different. Or do you think they would've admitted defeat, if the repubs had won?
Exactly...  Al Quida is the kind of group that never admits defeat.  It doesn't matter how many people you've killed, extremists base their actions and message on a mindset that never compromises.  By extension, they never admit weakness.

So, at this point, it really doesn't matter what they think or say.  What matters is what we do as a nation.  You can spin the midterms any way you like, but we needed new leadership, in order to progress past our current situation.

Now, Bush has to admit faults, and hopefully, he and the Democrats can learn from them.
No they wouldn't have admitted defeat and they wouldn't have said anything positive about Repubs winning.  That wouldn't make any sense at all, otherwise they would've been saying that.  In case you folks didn't know, this didn't just SHOW up from terrorists, they have been saying the same damn thing about Democrats for the past 2 years.  A story about it popped up all over news sites around 2 years ago.  I wasn't around here two years ago so I don't know if it was discussed on this forum, but probably (or was this site here 2 years ago).  The thing is guys, this isn't new.  The terrorists actually did want the Dems to win, theres nothing wrong with that guys, its not like we're calling you terrorists, it just makes the most sense.

Dems want out of Iraq, Faster we get outta there, the faster terrorists can take over.  Missing anything?
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6412|North Carolina

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

No they wouldn't have admitted defeat and they wouldn't have said anything positive about Repubs winning.  That wouldn't make any sense at all, otherwise they would've been saying that.  In case you folks didn't know, this didn't just SHOW up from terrorists, they have been saying the same damn thing about Democrats for the past 2 years.  A story about it popped up all over news sites around 2 years ago.  I wasn't around here two years ago so I don't know if it was discussed on this forum, but probably (or was this site here 2 years ago).  The thing is guys, this isn't new.  The terrorists actually did want the Dems to win, theres nothing wrong with that guys, its not like we're calling you terrorists, it just makes the most sense.

Dems want out of Iraq, Faster we get outta there, the faster terrorists can take over.  Missing anything?
Why don't we just turn Iraq into a permanent 51st state?  If you want true order in Iraq, that's the only way it's gonna happen.  It doesn't matter if we leave today or 10 years from now.  When we leave, it will fall into chaos.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6729|Eastern PA
I find it hilarious that so many conservatives take the taunts of dictators and terrorists at face value.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|6729|Eastern PA
I should also note that the necessary conclusion (I assume) from all of this is that somehow many of you think that you can never prematurely end a war that was ill-conceived no matter how badly managed or how much it's damaging to national interests.

It's the same poor logic of "Domino Theory" espoused during the Vietnam War. Advocates of "staying the course" then argued that if the US withdrew global Communism would grow unchecked and eventually all of Asia would fall to the Reds and Communism would continue to expand world wide.

The US withdrew and what happened? Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea went red and the Soviets won the Cold War....oh wait...
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6749|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

ATG wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Sure they're always declaring they're winning in Iraq remember "Comical Ali"? or Baghdad bob as he was known in America - Oh Noes!! quake at the propaganda USA - ATG you really are quite entertaining, maybe you should write Propaganda too +1
Whatiya think this is?
my point exactly..
AlbertWesker[RE]
Not Human Anymore
+144|6651|Seattle, WA

IG-Calibre wrote:

ATG wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

Sure they're always declaring they're winning in Iraq remember "Comical Ali"? or Baghdad bob as he was known in America - Oh Noes!! quake at the propaganda USA - ATG you really are quite entertaining, maybe you should write Propaganda too +1
Whatiya think this is?
my point exactly..
Its a solid point

What is it again, you're trying to compare damage control to the terrorists own point of view on U.S. elections.....yeah, thats a strong one there.....two completely different things man.
redhawk454
Member
+50|6555|Divided States of America

d4rkst4r wrote:

you americans are doing what your best at which is complaining

you guys got terrorists pissed off at you, DEAL WITH IT!
SOFAKINGWHAT sounds like youre getting pissed at a whole lot less. So take off eehh!
eMarine
Gorgonnash PVP
+119|6851|Sacramento, Cal

d3v1ldr1v3r13 wrote:

12000 troops eh?  Ready to attack the US, wont stop til the White House is blown up?  Over 300,000 Airmen in the USAF, 200,000+ in the US Army, and 200,000+ In the Marines, and near 300,000 in the US Navy, will see to it that dosent happen.  I can see ultimately this is going to wipe out an entire nation, and it wont be ours.
like 9/11 right? ok.
redhawk454
Member
+50|6555|Divided States of America
So who wants to blame GWB for the terrorist attacks? There have been fewer attacks on America since Clinton left office. Why? Maybe because the war in Iraq and Afghanistan have drawn them there and away from here? Maybe it was the increase in security? Either way you look at it this has been coming for sometime. Some may argue since the British controlled the middle east. Some will argue since the nation of Isreal was formed. It really dosent matter. Its happening. So flame on.
CameronPoe
Member
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redhawk454 wrote:

There have been fewer attacks on America since Clinton left office.
There was one on US soil during the Clinton terms and there was one on US soil during the Bush terms. There were a few directed at foreign US interests during the Clinton terms, the US fight off daily terror attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush.

'Fewer attacks'? LOL
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6749|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

AlbertWesker[RE] wrote:

IG-Calibre wrote:

ATG wrote:

Whatiya think this is?
my point exactly..
Its a solid point

What is it again, you're trying to compare damage control to the terrorists own point of view on U.S. elections.....yeah, thats a strong one there.....two completely different things man.
My point is bert - ATG stated - Al-Qaida in Iraq Claims It's Winning War!!  Iraqi Information Minister use to always give press conferences about how the Iraqi Forces were winning, remember? do you see what i'm driving at here?  It's just fucking propaganda..

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2006-11-13 10:23:55)

redhawk454
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

redhawk454 wrote:

There have been fewer attacks on America since Clinton left office.
There was one on US soil during the Clinton terms and there was one on US soil during the Bush terms. There were a few directed at foreign US interests during the Clinton terms, the US fight off daily terror attacks in Iraq and Afghanistan under Bush.

'Fewer attacks'? LOL
So you are saying that insurgent attacks is the same as terrorist attacks? I dont think so, because we are there armed and fighting where as a terrorist attack is against an un armed civilian target.

(edit) Like cameron says we fight off terrorist attacks. We are doing a good job because so far it "was" working.

Last edited by redhawk454 (2006-11-13 10:36:05)

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