You dont seem to bothered by them either, i have never heard you or Calibre condem them but have heard alot of condemming of UK soldiers trying to stop a stupid "rebellion" between Catholics and Protestants, just like in Iraq at the moment.CameronPoe wrote:
I have never, NOT ONCE, endorsed acts committed by the IRA that killed innocent civilians or that amounted to criminality (drugs running, etc.).Vilham wrote:
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.
excuse me? show me one post of mine where I have? stop taking shite mate if you don't have an understanding of a situation STFU you are really starting to annoy me now, what you may consider "stupid" has shattered thousands of lives and continues to do so have some respect - did you even read my last post?Vilham wrote:
You dont seem to bothered by them either, i have never heard you or Calibre condem them but have heard alot of condemming of UK soldiers trying to stop a stupid "rebellion" between Catholics and Protestants, just like in Iraq at the moment.CameronPoe wrote:
I have never, NOT ONCE, endorsed acts committed by the IRA that killed innocent civilians or that amounted to criminality (drugs running, etc.).Vilham wrote:
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.
I dont think you read mine... i never said you did say the IRA was good, i said you had never condemmed it as far as im aware.IG-Calibre wrote:
excuse me? show me one post of mine where I have? stop taking shite mate if you don't have an understanding of a situation STFU you are really starting to annoy me now, what you may consider "stupid" has shattered thousands of lives and continues to do so have some respect - did you even read my last post?Vilham wrote:
You dont seem to bothered by them either, i have never heard you or Calibre condem them but have heard alot of condemming of UK soldiers trying to stop a stupid "rebellion" between Catholics and Protestants, just like in Iraq at the moment.CameronPoe wrote:
I have never, NOT ONCE, endorsed acts committed by the IRA that killed innocent civilians or that amounted to criminality (drugs running, etc.).
Are you claiming it isnt stupid? You think killing people for no reason isnt the most stupid thing possible, seems to me like thats an admission of some kind.
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Oh I read yours very well. I suggest you learn to read pal, my position is clearly laid out in that post I suggested you go back and read again. I still suggest that you read it again - until you are sure that you actually comprehend what has been written - and then you can come back and give me an apology
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Yep just re-read your posts and at no point did you actually condem them, mentioning that they may have killed people isnt condemming them its stating a fact.
There is the point which shows you didnt read my post, if you had you wouldnt have accidently admitted that have yet to condem the IRA.IG-Calibre wrote:
show me one post of mine where I have?Vilham wrote:
have never heard you or Calibre condem them
No mate it is only through your ignorance and lack of reading comprehension skills that you don't see it - other wise you wouldn't be maintaining your stance - but here let me show it to you
when I say "many of us" do you not think I include myself? by saying that I viewed the armed struggle as murder, does that give the impression that I condone it? as I say learn to read you fucking cretin....infact many of us were committed democrats (those who believed in the ballot box) who always believed in a political solution & viewed the armed struggle for what it was; murder
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Well I think you should read more of this forum Vilham, I've seen many occasions when CameronPoe has condemned terrorist attacks done by the IRA. And I'm damn sure that IG-Calibre doesn't support terrorism.
I didnt say they did support it, i said i have never seen him condem it. I think you both need to read what i write.TeamZephyr wrote:
Well I think you should read more of this forum Vilham, I've seen many occasions when CameronPoe has condemned terrorist attacks done by the IRA. And I'm damn sure that IG-Calibre doesn't support terrorism.
Vilham wrote:
I didnt say they did support it, i said i have never seen him condem it. I think you both need to read what i write.TeamZephyr wrote:
Well I think you should read more of this forum Vilham, I've seen many occasions when CameronPoe has condemned terrorist attacks done by the IRA. And I'm damn sure that IG-Calibre doesn't support terrorism.
As I figure, you really are a cretin mate.. you have to be one of the most deliberately obtuse ignorant cunts it's ever been my misfortune to try and communicate with. If you are going to communicate by the written word learn to read because your inane postings just make you look a fool.Vilham wrote:
Thats the difference between you and Calibre and Cameron, they support the IRA.
I condemn without reservation all murder no matter who the perpetrator is, I also label you without reservation dickhead extraordinaire.
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Is this kind of response really necessary? You talk of how people's posts make them look immature and ignorant, and then you post this line of insults. A bit hypocritical, eh?IG-Calibre wrote:
As I figure, you really are a cretin mate.. you have to be one of the most deliberately obtuse ignorant cunts it's ever been my misfortune to try and communicate with. If you are going to communicate by the written word learn to read because your inane postings just make you look a fool.
I condemn without reservation all murder no matter who the perpetrator is, I also label you without reservation dickhead extraordinaire.
Aye mate, when people make proclamations about what I am, and then go on to insult those thousands of my people be they Protestant or Catholic people: who suffered the misery of 30 years death and destruction and misery, they do deserve that kind of response and a lot more. how about you butt out and mind your own business instead of sticking your oar in k? OK..
I did make a mistake there, i meant to say that you didnt condem them and i appologise for any offence i may have caused. However there is no point even bothering to debate with the Irish people on this forum, they are blinded by their own belief, therefore i will end my debate with you here.IG-Calibre wrote:
Aye mate, when people make proclamations about what I am, and then go on to insult those thousands of my people be they Protestant or Catholic people: who suffered the misery of 30 years death and destruction and misery, they do deserve that kind of response and a lot more. how about you butt out and mind your own business instead of sticking your oar in k? OK..
more findings on collusion today -
An investigation of 25 loyalist atrocities during the 1970s by an international panel of human rights experts said senior Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were aware and approved of collusion while officials in London had enough information to intervene.
Among the controversial murders they investigated were:
:: The killing of 23-year-old single bricklayer Patrick Connolly on October 4 1972 in a grenade attack on his Portadown home by the Ulster Volunteer Force, also injuring his mother and brother;
:: The double murder by the UVF of 46-year-old Catholic Department of the Environment employee Patrick Molloy and 49-year-old Protestant Orange Order member Jack Wylie in a bomb attack on Trainor`s pub at Augenlig near Kilmore in Co Armagh;
:: The murder of 33 people in UVF bomb attacks in Dublin and Monaghan on May 17 1974;
:: The gunning down of three members of the Miami Showband - 29-year-old lead singer Fran O`Toole, 23-year-old Anthony Geraghty and 33-year-old trumpet player Brian McCoy - after a UVF gang posing as an Ulster Defence Regiment patrol flagged their bus down on July 31 1975.
The shootings took place after a bomb the UVF gang was loading exploded prematurely as it was planted on the band`s bus, killing the loyalist unit`s leader 24-year-old Harris Boyle and his colleague 34-year-old Wesley Somerville;
:: The shooting dead of six men - 24-year-old John Reavey, his 22-year-old brother Brian and 17-year-old brother Anthony and 24-year-old oil rig worker Barry O`Dowd, his 19-year-old brother Declan and his 61-year-old uncle Joe - in separate UVF gun attacks on two families in Co Armagh on January 4 1976;
:: The assassination of 49-year-old Catholic police sergeant Joe Campbell by the UVF as he locked up the RUC station in the Co Antrim seaside resort of Cushendall.
Among the witnesses they interviewed about security force collusion with loyalists were former Army intelligence officer Fred Holroyd, ex-civil servant Colin Wallace, former RUC officers John Weir and Billy McCaughey.
In their 115-page report, the panel said today:
"Credible evidence indicates that superiors of violent extremist officers and agents, at least within the RUC, were aware of their sectarian crimes yet failed to act to prevent, investigate or punish them.
"On the contrary, they allegedly made statements that appeared to condone participation in these crimes.
"Even after Weir and another officer confessed in 1978 - information that should have blown the lid off RUC and Ulster Defence Regiment involvement in murdering Catholics - police investigations and ensuing prosecutions were inadequate by any reasonable standard.
http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?pt=n&id=77717
An investigation of 25 loyalist atrocities during the 1970s by an international panel of human rights experts said senior Royal Ulster Constabulary officers were aware and approved of collusion while officials in London had enough information to intervene.
Among the controversial murders they investigated were:
:: The killing of 23-year-old single bricklayer Patrick Connolly on October 4 1972 in a grenade attack on his Portadown home by the Ulster Volunteer Force, also injuring his mother and brother;
:: The double murder by the UVF of 46-year-old Catholic Department of the Environment employee Patrick Molloy and 49-year-old Protestant Orange Order member Jack Wylie in a bomb attack on Trainor`s pub at Augenlig near Kilmore in Co Armagh;
:: The murder of 33 people in UVF bomb attacks in Dublin and Monaghan on May 17 1974;
:: The gunning down of three members of the Miami Showband - 29-year-old lead singer Fran O`Toole, 23-year-old Anthony Geraghty and 33-year-old trumpet player Brian McCoy - after a UVF gang posing as an Ulster Defence Regiment patrol flagged their bus down on July 31 1975.
The shootings took place after a bomb the UVF gang was loading exploded prematurely as it was planted on the band`s bus, killing the loyalist unit`s leader 24-year-old Harris Boyle and his colleague 34-year-old Wesley Somerville;
:: The shooting dead of six men - 24-year-old John Reavey, his 22-year-old brother Brian and 17-year-old brother Anthony and 24-year-old oil rig worker Barry O`Dowd, his 19-year-old brother Declan and his 61-year-old uncle Joe - in separate UVF gun attacks on two families in Co Armagh on January 4 1976;
:: The assassination of 49-year-old Catholic police sergeant Joe Campbell by the UVF as he locked up the RUC station in the Co Antrim seaside resort of Cushendall.
Among the witnesses they interviewed about security force collusion with loyalists were former Army intelligence officer Fred Holroyd, ex-civil servant Colin Wallace, former RUC officers John Weir and Billy McCaughey.
In their 115-page report, the panel said today:
"Credible evidence indicates that superiors of violent extremist officers and agents, at least within the RUC, were aware of their sectarian crimes yet failed to act to prevent, investigate or punish them.
"On the contrary, they allegedly made statements that appeared to condone participation in these crimes.
"Even after Weir and another officer confessed in 1978 - information that should have blown the lid off RUC and Ulster Defence Regiment involvement in murdering Catholics - police investigations and ensuing prosecutions were inadequate by any reasonable standard.
http://u.tv/newsroom/indepth.asp?pt=n&id=77717
More evidence of state sponsered collusion in murders in the 1990's out today -joker3327 wrote:
And your proof of this collusion is??? I think you'll find more innocent catholic citizens have been killed by "own goals" than the British ..IG-Calibre wrote:
tbh I'm more interested in how joker3327 thinks that the Collusion by the Government in the Murder of its innocent Catholic citizens is justifiable because of the actions of the Republican militants. To draw a contemporary parallel should the government go out and murder its Muslim citizens randomly because of Muslim extremists?
Police colluded with loyalists behind over a dozen murders in north Belfast, a report by the Police Ombudsman of Northern Ireland has confirmed. Nuala O'Loan's report said UVF members in the area committed murders and other serious crimes while working as informers for Special Branch.
It said two retired Assistant Chief Constables refused to cooperate with the investigation (why doesn't that surprise me?).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6286695.stm