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Vilham wrote:

Because less than 1% of the population is in pro gun groups, if other people wanted guns they would join the pro gun groups.

In the USA there are many people who are not members of any pro-gun group that feel the firearm rights should not be infringed upon. I do not believe pro-gun group membership participation is an accurate way to determine the actual thoughts/wishes of a society. How many people believe that abortion is wrong yet not part of an anti-abortion movement? People don't like to join groups and a lot of people don't like to vote or feel their vote will not make a difference.

I think the reason why most of the anti-gun people are anti-gun is because the only information they get about firearms is what the media/government tells them. They don't know the truth about responsible firearm ownership or current firearm laws. People see an AK47 and assume it’s a full auto, they hear that a gun holds 15 rounds and think that’s a lot of bullets. Most anti-gun people have never tried to shoot a gun. People are scared of things they don't know or understand. Almost every anti-gun person I have ever met doesn't know a damn thing about current firearm laws and has never fired a gun. There are more gun laws on the books than anything. What we need is strict enforcement of the current laws, not more laws and definitely not a ban. There are criminals who get caught with a stolen gun (missing serial numbers) and basically get a slap on the wrist. There are felons that get caught with a firearm and maybe serve a couple more years. There are criminals with rap sheets a mile long carrying a firearm and committing crimes. These repeat offenders are the problem and perfect place to start. There are way more good people in this world than bad people. Instead of punishing everyone for the mistakes of the few, we should get rid of the few.

nodehopper wrote:

That is RIDICULOUS !!! I don't want to see dogs hurt or mass slaughter of dolphins .....but I am not a member of PETA !!!

So every American who is not a card carrying member of the NRA is anti-gun ???

Exactly my point, thank you.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2006-10-31 14:10:45)

they wont get it man, they are close minded. and thats fine because people like them will not effect my carrying a gun or owning them for that matter.......we live in america where it is stated that we have the right to bear arms and protect our property. if people dont like that well they can kiss my ass. its a law and until this country stands up together and says they do not want guns its gonna stay that way. so unless all you uneducated anti gun freaks got 300 million people behind you i dont think your going to accomplish shit......and if you dont have guns in your country good for you. well not really, but you wouldnt know the difference so its all good.....



edit; gotta love all the mossberg 500s that have shown up....much more popular gun than i would have anticipated...

Last edited by Parker (2006-10-31 14:21:07)

King_County_Downy wrote:

That's state specific. As far as I know, only in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona allow full auto.

Your post got me interested in exactly which states allowed full auto firearms. I knew Arizona and a few other states did, but I was curious how many others. Here is the only list I have came across:

Source: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho … p?t=226809 (www.thefiringline.com, NFA Ownership in the 50 States)
Alabama- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Alaska- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Arizona Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Arkansas- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:Yes
California- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *permit is discretionary and rarely issued*
Colorado- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Connecticut- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Delaware- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Dist. of Columbia- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Florida- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Georgia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Hawaii- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Idaho- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Illinois- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Indiana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Iowa- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Kansas- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Kentucky- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Louisiana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Maine- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Maryland- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Massachusetts- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Michigan- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *may only be owned by FFL holders*
Minnesota- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *C&R mg's only
Mississippi- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Missouri- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Montana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Nebraska- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Nevada- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New Hampshire- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New Jersey- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
New Mexico- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New York- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
North Carolina- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
North Dakota- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Ohio- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Oklahoma- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Oregon- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Pennsylvania- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Rhode Island- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
South Carolina- Machineguns:no Suppressors:yes
South Dakota- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Tennessee- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Texas- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Utah- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes *Silencers banned in Salt Lake County*
Vermont- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Virginia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Washington- Machineguns:no Suppressors:yes *silencer may be owned but not used*
West Virginia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Wisconsin- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Wyoming- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes

west-phoenix-az wrote:

King_County_Downy wrote:

That's state specific. As far as I know, only in Oregon, Nevada, and Arizona allow full auto.

Your post got me interested in exactly which states allowed full auto firearms. I knew Arizona and a few other states did, but I was curious how many others. Here is the only list I have came across:

Source: http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/sho … p?t=226809 (www.thefiringline.com, NFA Ownership in the 50 States)
Alabama- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Alaska- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Arizona Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Arkansas- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:Yes
California- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *permit is discretionary and rarely issued*
Colorado- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Connecticut- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Delaware- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Dist. of Columbia- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Florida- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Georgia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Hawaii- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Idaho- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Illinois- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Indiana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Iowa- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Kansas- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
Kentucky- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Louisiana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Maine- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Maryland- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Massachusetts- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Michigan- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *may only be owned by FFL holders*
Minnesota- Machineguns:yes* Suppressors:no *C&R mg's only
Mississippi- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Missouri- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Montana- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Nebraska- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Nevada- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New Hampshire- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New Jersey- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
New Mexico- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
New York- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
North Carolina- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
North Dakota- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Ohio- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Oklahoma- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Oregon- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Pennsylvania- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Rhode Island- Machineguns:no Suppressors:no
South Carolina- Machineguns:no Suppressors:yes
South Dakota- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Tennessee- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Texas- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Utah- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes *Silencers banned in Salt Lake County*
Vermont- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:no
Virginia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Washington- Machineguns:no Suppressors:yes *silencer may be owned but not used*
West Virginia- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Wisconsin- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes
Wyoming- Machineguns:yes Suppressors:yes

wtf? I was fairly certain that suppressors are illegal. Going to have to research that.

my mossberg 500 is just for hunting with the regular stock i kill many pheasants with it.

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    DesertFox423 wrote:

    wtf? I was fairly certain that suppressors are illegal. Going to have to research that.



you didnt know that you could own suppressors in certain states?
i cant own any seeing as how i live in missouri but ive been aware that there are many states that allow them....unless you have a practical reason for owning one i find them to be wwwwaaaayyyy too much work to maintain......

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=4931

Vilham wrote:

But if you dont want to do that, the only gun you can own is a 0.22 rifle or a shotgun and if you live in a city you cant own one of them.

Check your facts mate, you can quite easily own (and store at home) an SMLE. I talked to the armourer in the Leeds Armoury about this since he could do all the work necessary to tidy up the action of an ex-service gun if I'd wanted to get one for long-range shooting.

Vilham wrote:

west-phoenix-az wrote:

I do not need to justify my firearm ownership to anyone.

Unless one somehow gets stolen and is used to kill someones child. How would you like to explain that to their parents?

Want to ask a couple of people who had their car stolen by a joyrider that subsequently ran down a pedestrian whether they're culpable for the use the vehicle was put to? Think it through.

Vilham wrote:

I have one question however. I have also shot clay pigeons and i have shot animals however those were with shotguns, guns designed for hunting birds and small mammals. Do you think it is nessecary to own pistols and semi auto rifles?? Guns designed to kill humans and have no other purpose.

That's an old argument and almost always fails when debated in depth. I own weapons designed for the express purpose of killing humans only; doesn't make me a bad person, even if that is the use to which I would put them if the need arose.

Vilham wrote:

Please dont try and start a debate as to why pistols and rifles were invented. They were invented to kill people end of. "Pistols are smaller, lighter, easier to conceal, and faster to bring to bear."

Please don't try to lecture people about a subject you clearly don't fully understand, especially since the implications of use and abuse are something you haven't spent enough time thinking about!

I don't mean to be insulting but you're probably one of those people that think that law enforcement shouldn't shoot to kill. I used to feel the same, until I actually learned something about the issue.

thanks man.

If you are interested in buying a gun. Go to a good local gun store and ask the guys there what is required by your state.

I don't think you need a "permit" to purchase a fire arm, although most states have their own specific laws regarding what can and can't be owned,  waiting periods, etc.

I live in Kalifornia, so we have a background check, 14 day "cooling off" period, and a long list of "assault weapons" or at least things that politicians THINK are assault weapons, that we cannot own.

Last edited by nodehopper (2006-11-01 13:27:52)

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1 of my many.....

Last edited by JE3146 (2006-11-01 15:57:58)

west-phoenix-az wrote:

In Arizona as long as you are not a felon you can buy a gun and walk out the door with it in about 10-15 minutes. No permit or registration required (unless its an NFA item).

really you mean long rifle or shotgun correct?

last time i was in AZ i thought that was the law

here it  is a 3 day wait for a handgun through a metro background check, neveda has pretty lax gun laws
can even carry it on the hip, exposed in public, but i wouldnt personally. CCW is the way to go

18 to own any rifle, that include's say a AK-74 or 47 whicha re very popular

of course these are just clones, not the real deal

but very effective non the less

Last edited by beerface702 (2006-11-02 01:52:53)