point?Ikarti wrote:
Maher Arar
People also get shot for reasons. Like illegally invading countries.usmarine2005 wrote:
People get thrown in jails for reasons. A very, very, very small number may be innocent, but life isn't perfect.ghettoperson wrote:
Have you been stuck in a jail cell for years, regularily having various forms of torture used on you? I'd take the IED's and snipers any day; at least if it happens it's quick. (Yes yes I'm fully aware it may not kill me)usmarine2005 wrote:
So...you have driven down raods just waiting for an IED to explode? Have you walked down a street just waiting to be sniped?
Yep. That amounts to terrorism. Note that those few people who were involved in that crime are being tried and prosecuted for it's commission. How many Al Qaeda operatives (or any terrorists for that matter) do you see being prosecuted under sharia law for targeting and killing innocent civilians?GATOR591957 wrote:
Does that include innocent Iraqi's killed by us the USA?BigmacK wrote:
It's called military action, not deliberate suicidal mayhem.Ikarti wrote:
And then you attack the terrorists using terrorism!No, the wrongful deaths of innocent people ammounts to terrorism.GATOR591957 wrote:
So does raising terror alerts amount to terroism, especially when the heat was turned up on GW?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15320226/?GT1=8618
This of course assumes that those men are guilty, and there appears to be enough evidence to suggest so. We'll see how the trial actually turns out. Of course some people already have them tried and convicted regardless of what evidence is presented.
Fisrt off, which many of you seem to forget, we were in a cease fire with Iraq. We never signed a peace treaty, so we were still at war technically. I have a ribbon to prove it, and I was never in the first Gulf War.ghettoperson wrote:
People also get shot for reasons. Like illegally invading countries.usmarine2005 wrote:
People get thrown in jails for reasons. A very, very, very small number may be innocent, but life isn't perfect.ghettoperson wrote:
Have you been stuck in a jail cell for years, regularily having various forms of torture used on you? I'd take the IED's and snipers any day; at least if it happens it's quick. (Yes yes I'm fully aware it may not kill me)
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Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.usmarine2005 wrote:
point?Ikarti wrote:
Maher Arar
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.Ikarti wrote:
Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.usmarine2005 wrote:
point?Ikarti wrote:
Maher Arar
Does that include innocent Iraqis killed by Iraqis?GATOR591957 wrote:
Does that include innocent Iraqi's killed by us the USA?BigmacK wrote:
It's called military action, not deliberate suicidal mayhem.Ikarti wrote:
And then you attack the terrorists using terrorism!No, the wrongful deaths of innocent people ammounts to terrorism.GATOR591957 wrote:
So does raising terror alerts amount to terroism, especially when the heat was turned up on GW?
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15320226/?GT1=8618
Smart man. Good job.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Does that include innocent Iraqis killed by Iraqis?
Glad to see I'm not alone here.
When and who exactly are you going to sign a peace treaty with? The Iraqi government? You're not at war with them. Mr Bin Laden? Can't find him. Or as no terrorist is ever going to declare peace with you, does that mean the US will be at war with random people until everyone on earth is dead?usmarine2005 wrote:
Fisrt off, which many of you seem to forget, we were in a cease fire with Iraq. We never signed a peace treaty, so we were still at war technically. I have a ribbon to prove it, and I was never in the first Gulf War.ghettoperson wrote:
People also get shot for reasons. Like illegally invading countries.usmarine2005 wrote:
People get thrown in jails for reasons. A very, very, very small number may be innocent, but life isn't perfect.
Hes right. Or we could just let the Ikartis fight the war then all non-muslims would be dead and it wouldnt matter.usmarine2005 wrote:
Nukes
I am talking about from the first Gulf War. Since 1991, we have been in a cease fire with Iraq, so we did not illegally invade anyone.ghettoperson wrote:
When and who exactly are you going to sign a peace treaty with? The Iraqi government? You're not at war with them. Mr Bin Laden? Can't find him. Or as no terrorist is ever going to declare peace with you, does that mean the US will be at war with random people until everyone on earth is dead?usmarine2005 wrote:
First off, which many of you seem to forget, we were in a cease fire with Iraq. We never signed a peace treaty, so we were still at war technically. I have a ribbon to prove it, and I was never in the first Gulf War.ghettoperson wrote:
People also get shot for reasons. Like illegally invading countries.
How very clever of you. Good to see the US gov. plans for the future!
Doesn't that still violate the ceasefire though?
Doesn't that still violate the ceasefire though?
A. That's a pretty huge mistake.usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.Ikarti wrote:
Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.usmarine2005 wrote:
point?
B. The US has not apologized for its wrongdoing, therefore not acknowledging it was a mistake.
If the Muslims get rid of you, gladly. Don't worry Jamdude, it only means you'll get to heaven faster. LOLJaMDuDe wrote:
Hes right. Or we could just let the Ikartis fight the war then all non-muslims would be dead and it wouldnt matter.usmarine2005 wrote:
Nukes
A pilot of a 747 in the 70's took off and collided with another 747, killing lots of people. THAT is a huge mistake, not what you are talking about. You need some help putting things in perspective. And you call me unintelligent.Ikarti wrote:
A. That's a pretty huge mistake.usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.Ikarti wrote:
Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.
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If it does, then I guess we also need to include Innocent US citizens being killed by other US citizens. I.E. Bush's movement to war on false pretenses.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Does that include innocent Iraqis killed by Iraqis?GATOR591957 wrote:
Does that include innocent Iraqi's killed by us the USA?BigmacK wrote:
It's called military action, not deliberate suicidal mayhem.Ikarti wrote:
And then you attack the terrorists using terrorism!
No, the wrongful deaths of innocent people ammounts to terrorism.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/15320226/?GT1=8618
What the hell are you talking about? That man had 3 years of his life taken away. He won't get those back. He was tortured. All in the name of national security and defending our freedom and democracy. No big deal to you? Yeah, sounds like my perspective's real off here. You really are lacking up there.usmarine2005 wrote:
A pilot of a 747 in the 70's took off and collided with another 747, killing lots of people. THAT is a huge mistake, not what you are talking about. You need some help putting things in perspective. And you call me unintelligent.Ikarti wrote:
A. That's a pretty huge mistake.usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.
3 years of life versus life taken away forever. Ya, my perspective is messed up. "Roger that"Ikarti wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? That man had 3 years of his life taken away. He won't get those back. He was tortured. All in the name of national security and defending our freedom and democracy. No big deal to you? Yeah, sounds like my perspective's real off here. You really are lacking up there.usmarine2005 wrote:
A pilot of a 747 in the 70's took off and collided with another 747, killing lots of people. THAT is a huge mistake, not what you are talking about. You need some help putting things in perspective. And you call me unintelligent.Ikarti wrote:
A. That's a pretty huge mistake.
Me not taking out the trash cans this morning was a mistake. A government blindly imprisoning and torturing a man because they *think* he is a terrorist is a travesty, a violation of his human and civil rights, and utterly shameful. And still, the US is too fucking stubborn to apologize.usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.Ikarti wrote:
Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.usmarine2005 wrote:
point?
Its one thing to have terrorists attacking our government. Its another to have our government committing terrorist attacks.
usmarine, can you answer my question, I'm curious about this ceasefire of yours.ghettoperson wrote:
How very clever of you. Good to see the US gov. plans for the future!
Doesn't that still violate the ceasefire though?
What about the people in prison who are found to be innocent???? Why aren't you guys helping them?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Me not taking out the trash cans this morning was a mistake. A government blindly imprisoning and torturing a man because they *think* he is a terrorist is a travesty, a violation of his human and civil rights, and utterly shameful. And still, the US is too fucking stubborn to apologize.usmarine2005 wrote:
I guess you have never made a mistake, or done anything incorrectly.Ikarti wrote:
Make what you will of it. I just find it interesting that the RCMP have apologized. The US has not.
Its one thing to have terrorists attacking our government. Its another to have our government committing terrorist attacks.
I think you missed the important part, which was that he was tortured for three years.usmarine2005 wrote:
3 years of life versus life taken away forever. Ya, my perspective is messed up. "Roger that"Ikarti wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? That man had 3 years of his life taken away. He won't get those back. He was tortured. All in the name of national security and defending our freedom and democracy. No big deal to you? Yeah, sounds like my perspective's real off here. You really are lacking up there.usmarine2005 wrote:
A pilot of a 747 in the 70's took off and collided with another 747, killing lots of people. THAT is a huge mistake, not what you are talking about. You need some help putting things in perspective. And you call me unintelligent.
It is. Here you are not blinking an eye at torture, it's no big deal that some guy was kidnapped and tortured over bad information, then you run in with some completely irrelevant piece on 747s colliding, then talking about how life taken away forever is such a big deal. That really doesn't mean much to me coming from you given your attitudes on this forum. The people in the 747s were victims of mistakes, but they died. Maher Amar has to live with what happened to him until he dies. But you don't care. You're preaching to the wrong person.usmarine2005 wrote:
3 years of life versus life taken away forever. Ya, my perspective is messed up. "Roger that"Ikarti wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? That man had 3 years of his life taken away. He won't get those back. He was tortured. All in the name of national security and defending our freedom and democracy. No big deal to you? Yeah, sounds like my perspective's real off here. You really are lacking up there.usmarine2005 wrote:
A pilot of a 747 in the 70's took off and collided with another 747, killing lots of people. THAT is a huge mistake, not what you are talking about. You need some help putting things in perspective. And you call me unintelligent.