I don't have a problem with searching through eleven threads, especially as they're short threads, but I'm an avid forum reader. But you're absolutely right about needing to be labeled more accurately, I will talk to our forum mod about that. Thanks, THAT was constructive input.KoFmatt wrote:
Ok a few things need to be straightened out Newton.
First, your right, I didn't come in with a question. I didn't have a question, so why would I ask one? I had a statement of fact - Gexter kicked members of the opposite team but did not kick members of his own team. That's what happened. Maybe it was just coincidence, maybe it was intentional, but that much was fact.
Second, here's a list of the sticky's in that forum:
Sticky: Vwar problems.. let us Know
Sticky Thread Sticky: BF2 Division Member Rules
Sticky Thread Sticky: BF2 Servers Rules - For Members - Admins - visitors! (Multi-page thread 1 2 3)
Sticky Thread Sticky: Read and heed : BF2 Rules of Engagment
Sticky Thread Sticky: Admin contact info
Sticky Thread Sticky: Banned from One of our BF2 Servers? click Here!
Sticky Thread Sticky: Report a Hacker in any of our BF2 Servers.
Sticky Thread Sticky: BF2 Members - Recruits Read please. - Recruiting is over!
Sticky Thread Sticky: Knife & pistol only servers
Sticky Thread Sticky: Admins - BF2 Members.
Sticky Thread Sticky: To all TSH BF2 players : Read and Heed
Sticky Thread Sticky: BF2 Server Info
Hmm, I don't seem to see the one titled "If you have a problem with an Admin, here's what to do". I must be misreading, because you said it was there. Hmm...nope, not there. Even if the proper procedure is in one of these threads, that's 11 threads to search through, not to mention the sticky's in the other parts of the forum. If you're not going to make something easy to find don't expect people to find it.
Third, I didn't take any quotes out of context. I'm full well aware that you have a no-whining policy. But you're the one that just lectured me about perspective, well guess what, whining is a matter of perspective too. Some would consider your entire post whining. Then you just broke your own rules. From my point of view, expressing a concern is not whining. There are hundreds of servers out there, I don't need yours to play on. I only bothered to post at all out of a courtesy to you, because I know that many clans (as it has happened in my own) are unaware of admins who abuse their powers.
Fourth, you say I get off easy, that all that rudeness was in response to my rudeness. But was it not your own member smokin who said that two wrongs don't make a right? From my perspective, I was not rude. Even if it seemed as if I was, does that mean you guys should be more rude in return?
As I said above, there's lots of servers out there. You're right, if I have a problem with your server I can just leave. The point was I was trying to help you. Next time maybe you guys should just try listening instead of automatically assuming that because Gexter is a TSH senior member he must be Holy and Good; and instead of assuming that every person who voices is a concern is automatically lying and just there to cause trouble.
Phrasing it as a question was a suggestion, not a requirement. The point was not to word it as an accusation. Statement of fact aside, it was still an accusation. We're accountable for the things we do, say, and write. That's why I like to be accurate. Intent to help is not communicated through accusation. Did you clarify that it might be unintentional, or did you follow with "it's inappropriate to kick.." which is another insinuative accusation? You have to stand by the way you phrase things; We're not mind readers. Okay, Orision is, but that kid's a fucking circus freak.
When you quote someone and do not state the context in which the quote was intended, that IS quoting out of context. I don't know how I could define that any more clearly. Again, stand by your own words.
What I wrote was a rebuttal, not whining. No perspective shift can change rebutting to complaining. Unless that perspective shift is insanity.
Two wrongs do not make a right. You're right about that, too. Notice that many of us viewed the post but did not verbally assault you. I'm glad you only got the amount of abuse that you did, as I agree that it's inappropriate to just jump someone based on vague phrasing. I DID say that all that rudeness was in response to your rudeness. Notice, however, that I didn't even insinuate that it was justified. I'm still talking to members about their kneejerk reactions as we also have a policy for respecting repectful players who come to us. They just jumped the gun out of their love for Gex. Was it right? No. Does it make them bad people? No.
Many of us DO listen. You heard from a vocal minority. So it's hardly fair for you to come into a public forum like this and denounce our whole clan for a few members' mistakes, is it? Again, accountability for what we say.
Also, if I seem like I'm lecturing, it's because I'm used to lecturing. I'm fully aware that some people don't care for it. I also don't give a damn if they don't like long-winded posts or people lecturing to them because they can't admit when they've made a mistake or that there's something (god forbid!) that they don't know. I don't have patience for ignorance, and I don't have patience for ego. Kofmatt, this part is not directed at you, but at the flamer before you, and those who shall come after.