BF2S Forums Attack Helo Question

Yes, but a good pilot is nullified by a horrible gunner. Today I had a really good gunner and we dominated. Then after I had a bad gunner and he wouldn't let my other guy gun for me, and we did horrible. He would fire his tv missiles randomly when I was moving from target to target so when there was an actual shot, he would be reloading. I was so frustrated.

Damn, thanks man, never knew that.

The Little Box Is Around the Area of The TV Missle View, But Its Not Exactly...

The TV Missle Always Looks Stright out -------->

So Unless your Hovering Like Flat Out, That Box Isn't Going to be Accurate, If you Got your Nose Pointed Down, Then its Above the Box a Little bit. If your Pointing the Nose Up, Then Its Below The Box A Little Bit.

Trust me...I Pilot A Pretty Sick Gunner.

The only thing I ask my gunners to do is to constantly sweep left to right when we are flying, keeping an eye out for all targets.

Whenever I am gunner, I usually hop out to cap flags, that way it's faster, but when I want back into the chopper, the pilot usually just strands me.

When I am gunner (which I prefer..), the pilot makes a huge difference. I have flown with some absolutely stellar pilots who make gunning a snap, always pick up after I jump out to cap a flag, and so on. Just a treat to fly with. On the other hand, there are guys who can technically fly the bird, but have NO CLUE about using it tactically as a weapon. Nothing worse than a guy flying at full speed, jinking all over the place even when there are no apparent threats. Hard to get any shots off when your field of view is so unstable.

It would be worth having all chopper pilots do some serious time as a gunner so that maybe they will understand what the gunner needs to be more effective. I know it helped me so that when I drive, I do my utmost to give the gunner a stable platform from which to shoot.

Last edited by Dr0pped (2005-12-12 10:00:23)

blackwidow wrote:

tell your pilot to look in his HUD.  there is a box that he can line up the tv missiles with.  a small cross will appear in this box when he is lined up for you.........and tada easy kills!!!

I'm curious to know if this box you refer to is the one at the bottom of the hud that represents the direction the nose gun is pointed?  Does that move with the TV camera aiming cursor as well?  I've not paid close enough attention when lining the bird up for a TV missile shot.  I do know that if the prospective victim is outside the HUD boundaries (that being the area boxed by Heading, VSI/Altitude, Gunner View Direction Indicator and Rotor Torque Indicator/Airspeed) the gunner (in TV cam mode) will not be able to see the target the pilot sees.  Are you saying that a box appears around the target similar to the ground target mode in the fixed wing?

I'm a pretty fair helo pilot and I always try to give my gunner a decent shot on target.  Gunners that have their priorities (1. AA, mobile or fixed and/or enemy attack helos, 2. all other targets by damage/threat relation) screwed on right are nice to have as well.  If a well trained helo pilot/gunner team is up in either attack helo and the enemy fixed wing (my preferred gunner and I have shot more than 1 down, but we figured they really sucked) stays occupied with other targets the balance is surely shifted to that team.

Any pilot that doesn't pick up his gunner after a flag cap needs to have his fingers and toes removed and not be allowed back in a helo.

And if there are no groundpounders around?

Hopefully you pretty well cleared the area before taking a helo in for a flag cap anyway.

dont even talk to me about bad gunners. jesus christ man all these guys race for the chopper i get in as pilot and then this first sergeant gets in or gunnery sergeant or someone else. and i always rely on my gunner to rack up poinys (although i like to kill as well) but omg the whole point of being in a chopper gets ruined when a bad gunner is in the seat. i had this guy. a first sergeant i think, who just looked around and shot off a few rounds in every direction, even when i got incredibly low to make him hit the enemies on the ground. he couldnt he just couldnt. he sucked so much i teamkilled him. (im sorry i know thts bad but he deserved this)  i mean cum on, i was usmc in wake and there was only one point on the map we had not captured. the airfield. it was 64 player so there were tons of people and ever enemy was spawning there. if any other experienced gunner had been in my heli he would have been killing 10 guys per 2 minutes i swear. but no he couldnt even get 5 in the whole round.

The only gunners that I hate are the ones that don't know that TV 'guided' missiles can be guided, and the gunners that don't know that they have missiles to shoot.

I pilot for railz30 and believe we are one of the better chopper pairs out there (he averages over 100 kills an hour in the chopper, with a 5.5 K/D).

I think in most situations, the pilot has the harder job, as gunning down infantry, transports, and armor is extremely easy for a gunner if set up appropriatly.  Pretty much anyone can take out that stuff if they have a direct shot with a hellfire, or the cannon.  Railz is an excellent gunner because beyond that he is able to drop moving helicopters (and the occasional jet) at 400-600 meters quite often.  We are on Ventrilo whenever we play, and it is worthless flying with anyone without the ability to voice chat with them.

I think it is still possible to get by if the pilot is good but the gunner is garbage, whereas if the pilot is garbage the chopper is worthless.

On a side note, both the Mi-28 Havok and Z-10 have 30mm cannons (compared to the Cobra's 20mm), so why doesnt the Z-10 have any splash damage like the Havok?

funny that - i used to suck at the tv, until one day that I just couldn't miss with it. have been reasonably good ever since, dunno what changed (except for one incident a couple of days ago, wherein I was making all these funky shots, sideways, high speed and shit, but then... I couldn't hit a stationary apc, that hadn't noticed me, and we were hovering next to..... omg... wtf.... I had to bail and let the pilot get another gunner just out of pure embarrasment!)

Without a good pilot the chopper is absolutley worthless. If he cant fly the rest is pointless. Thats it. A great gunner cant hit anything if your pilot flies into trees, buildings , other helos ...... whatever.

I cant really fly so I spend almost all my time in helo as a gunner and keeing that chopper in the air is the most important thing. Even if you get one of those hotshot pilots that thinks flying a foot off the deck is the best way to show hes the best pilot ever if he doesnt crash its better than nothing. He might be thinking about only himself but a good gunner can make the shots even if they are not given to him.

If you get that pilot that truly understands the role of the attack chopper and you have a good gunner the results can be truly devastating.