Poll

Is using Macros on a keyboard condidered hacking?

Yes45%45% - 75
No54%54% - 89
Total: 164
Dex Luther
Member
+32|6409|Canukastan

luckeydogg wrote:

The ROE is a bunch of B*LLSHIT some dumbass came up with...  If you break the "ROE" its not like you would be banned or something...  I have YET to see anyone banned from BF2 for breaking these bullsh*t rules...
Servers can close, etc. It's not just a bunch of BS. It's the rules ranked servers have to abite by to keep things level, it's the rules you agree to when you accept the TOS when you Buy and play the game. It's also the rules in the TOS when you sign up to play online.

It's only "BS" to people who don't like to follow rules and are in the "I bought the game I'll do what I want" mindset. Even if they're doing what they want takes the enjoyment of the game away from others, who have paid just as much as you have for the game (unless they got it on special ).

Last edited by Dex Luther (2006-10-02 10:27:27)

iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|6500|Belgium

jamesb wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

I think it is gay and sad.
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|6624
I wrote a full page post trying not be angry and f*cking uTorrent crashed my internet, and somehow erased the post when I went back.

Let me rewrite it in a more shorter way:

f*ck off.
https://i.imgur.com/HTmoH.jpg
cheshiremoe
Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow
+50|6680

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

No, I wouldn't say it was hacking, but I do believe the software which records the macro is now considered to breach this clause of the ROE:

ROE wrote:

3.1.1 Players may not change (hack) any core games files or effectively change game settings by employing external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving themselves an unfair advantage over other players.
In essence it depends on what the macro is.

P.S. Your poll allows you to tick both options so don't expect any meaningful result!
I don't think that macro fall into this category because they are not affecting any game files or changing any of the game settings ( unless you macro console commands).  Changing mouse sensitivity on the fly would also be cheating, but the logitech gaming mice can do that with out the software, you see a slippery slope here where better hardware or a better connection would become a cheat as it gives an advantage.  To limit people because not everybody can buy the better tools to play with, where do stop everybody has to have the same settings/mouse/keyboard/joystick/CPU/Monitor/ram quantity/etc.  My point is that this section in the ROE is really to ambiguous to define what the rules are(it probably so they can cover there asses and make it up as they go).

  Macro commands are not a hack, they are still cheep like sitting in an uncap with a tank and ones that exploit the game mechanics (like the rabbit & the fish flop) are cheating. If you can't do it with out the macro you should not create/use the macro.

Last edited by cheshiremoe (2006-10-02 10:57:58)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6462|Northern California
Hacking has nothing to do with using macros.  Hacking is unlawfully entering the server stream and manipulating the game towards your benefit or otherwise malicious purposes.

Using macros to enable things to your benefit IS, IMHO, the same thing.  The key to this question is "Will using macros give you unfair advantage?"  And the answer is an undeniable "YES."
FesterTheMolester
BF2s US Server Admin, IRC>Forums
+157|6611|The Mind Of A Cereal Killer

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

No, I wouldn't say it was hacking, but I do believe the software which records the macro is now considered to breach this clause of the ROE:

ROE wrote:

3.1.1 Players may not change (hack) any core games files or effectively change game settings by employing external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving themselves an unfair advantage over other players.
In essence it depends on what the macro is.

P.S. Your poll allows you to tick both options so don't expect any meaningful result!
the ROE says no game files... which macros dont change
bullit
Tank Troll
+71|6660|London, UK
From EA

You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

-Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications.

Last edited by bullit (2006-10-02 11:10:34)

Sgt.Gene
...
+215|6735

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

No, I wouldn't say it was hacking, but I do believe the software which records the macro is now considered to breach this clause of the ROE:

ROE wrote:

3.1.1 Players may not change (hack) any core games files or effectively change game settings by employing external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving themselves an unfair advantage over other players.
In essence it depends on what the macro is.

P.S. Your poll allows you to tick both options so don't expect any meaningful result!
Umm, the macro software doesnt edit any memory. So therefore it cannot be a hack.
Paco_the_Insane
Phorum Phantom
+244|6615|Ohio
not hacking, just retarded.
Dex Luther
Member
+32|6409|Canukastan

Sgt.Gene wrote:

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

No, I wouldn't say it was hacking, but I do believe the software which records the macro is now considered to breach this clause of the ROE:

ROE wrote:

3.1.1 Players may not change (hack) any core games files or effectively change game settings by employing external programs or cheats for the purposes of giving themselves an unfair advantage over other players.
In essence it depends on what the macro is.

P.S. Your poll allows you to tick both options so don't expect any meaningful result!
Umm, the macro software doesnt edit any memory. So therefore it cannot be a hack.

bullit wrote:

From EA

You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

-Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications.
Macros = Hack? False
Macros = Cheat? True
.:ronin:.|Patton
Respekct dad i love u always
+946|6780|Marathon, Florida Keys
no, if you like to play that way, play that way............. i'll stilll own you
https://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g117/patton1337/stats.jpg
specialistx2324
hahahahahhaa
+244|6659|arica harbour
macros, u know who is the king of macros.... that smacktard Rd. volx.
Hurricane
Banned
+1,153|6601|Washington, DC

Dex Luther wrote:

luckeydogg wrote:

The ROE is a bunch of B*LLSHIT some dumbass came up with...  If you break the "ROE" its not like you would be banned or something...  I have YET to see anyone banned from BF2 for breaking these bullsh*t rules...
Servers can close, etc. It's not just a bunch of BS. It's the rules ranked servers have to abite by to keep things level, it's the rules you agree to when you accept the TOS when you Buy and play the game. It's also the rules in the TOS when you sign up to play online.

It's only "BS" to people who don't like to follow rules and are in the "I bought the game I'll do what I want" mindset. Even if they're doing what they want takes the enjoyment of the game away from others, who have paid just as much as you have for the game (unless they got it on special ).
The TOS when you install the game says nothing about the ROE. Also, do you honestly think EA would shut down a source of money like a ranked server?
the_outsider38
Microsoft Poster Child
+83|6665|Vancouver BC Canada
I think it may be cheating or cheap, however not hacking.
Hellfire(Fish)
Your Favorite Whiny Liberal
+8|6476|Alabama, United States
If you don't think macros are cheap, go play CS 1.6 and have fun with the AWP-pistol-AWP swap macroers and see if you don't enjoy their full-auto, laser-straight doom cannons.
Macros are crossing the line between buying better hardware and giving yourself an honorable advantage, and exploiting the system.
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6457|Melbourne

Macro's they push the keys for you. If you push CTRL & space realy fast on your pc whats the difrence in getting the macro to push it for you?  Macro's are lame, but none the less....
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
USAFDude_1988
Will fly for food.
+120|6480|Daytona Beach, FL

{uscm}Jyden wrote:

I think its just another way of getting your computer to do somehting for you,which defies the whole point of playing in my view.
Many people's egos are centered around this game.  The game is no longer just "fun" to them, all they can think of is points, points, points.. and nuthin else matters in life to them.

Last edited by USAFDude_1988 (2006-10-02 18:32:39)

DoctorFruitloop
Level 13 Wrongdoer
+515|6517|Doncaster, UK

Dex Luther wrote:

Sgt.Gene wrote:

DoctorFruitloop wrote:

No, I wouldn't say it was hacking, but I do believe the software which records the macro is now considered to breach this clause of the ROE:


In essence it depends on what the macro is.

P.S. Your poll allows you to tick both options so don't expect any meaningful result!
Umm, the macro software doesnt edit any memory. So therefore it cannot be a hack.

bullit wrote:

From EA

You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:

-Use or distribute “auto” software programs, “macro” software programs or other “cheat utility” software program or applications.
Macros = Hack? False
Macros = Cheat? True
It's nice to see that someone actually read what I had typed and didn't just jump on me for mentioning the ROE. As originally stated, I don't think macros are a hack, but they are now considered by EA to violate the TOS and I think PB is actually looking for them somehow.
joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|6569|Cheshire. UK
I voted no..they are not hacking...but then only girls use them.,...dont they??
Dex Luther
Member
+32|6409|Canukastan

ExecutionerStyle wrote:

Dex Luther wrote:

luckeydogg wrote:

The ROE is a bunch of B*LLSHIT some dumbass came up with...  If you break the "ROE" its not like you would be banned or something...  I have YET to see anyone banned from BF2 for breaking these bullsh*t rules...
Servers can close, etc. It's not just a bunch of BS. It's the rules ranked servers have to abite by to keep things level, it's the rules you agree to when you accept the TOS when you Buy and play the game. It's also the rules in the TOS when you sign up to play online.

It's only "BS" to people who don't like to follow rules and are in the "I bought the game I'll do what I want" mindset. Even if they're doing what they want takes the enjoyment of the game away from others, who have paid just as much as you have for the game (unless they got it on special ).
The TOS when you install the game says nothing about the ROE. Also, do you honestly think EA would shut down a source of money like a ranked server?
I'm pretty sure everything stated in ROE comes from the TOS or rules actually written by EA. The people are BFROE didn't just get up one day and magically pull those rules out of their ass. They had to come from somewhere, and the most logical guess is that they come directly from EA.

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