BF2S Forums spare the life of convicted murderer Stan "Tookie" Williams. or NOT

First of all i like to say 1/4 persons that votet on this page dont want to se this execution go troug. Now that is in my eye's progress. It tell's me we are actually going slowly out of the dark ages. Means that there is some form of unprejudiced thinking going on.

Horseman 77 wrote:

Totally WRONG Tried failed wont ever work EVER these people are  Aninamls Young boys think "Rape" is a Growing up thing, a right of passage to becoming a man. The Welfare state and Projects only prepetuate it.
The more babies they have the more money they get so they practice Capitalism in thier own way and crank kids out. They have kids as young as 13 and 12 years old. They lose them , abandon, abuse thier offspring. Toddlers are out in the street at 2am Forget it

They ARE SCUM. I watched it happen till i couldnt take it and move to VT. PS they all Vote Dem for the promised free ride.

"Tookie" is a perfect example on how a man got his tool's back and tries to make amends for his past. Other then that i have nothing to say to you but this: Use your head, its you god given privelidge

S4INT05 wrote:

Tarasque, did you know they teach classes in prison? did you know that they do send the head cases to psychiatric care centers?

Dont know what your trying to say here, but if you scroll back upp and read your own post you meight figure out what i where trying to say.


All in all it comes down to free thinking and breaking down barriers between different sosial statures. Not giving them the "fuck all" ty for letting uss capitalise on you underprivelidged ass. Open your eyes as well as you narrow ass minds, and just maybe you know what im trying to say.


Ant farm thinking gets uss nowhere!

atlvolunteer wrote:

You could have said:
No, I think he should be executed
Yes, I think his life should be spared

You shouldn't put your bias on the matter in the poll.  That's just my opinion.

I agree 100%.  Horribly worded poll.

As for my opinion on the matter: 

He committed, and was charged with, 4 counts of 1st degree murder.  By law, this is punishable by death, and that is the punishment that was determined for him.

While waiting for his punishment, he seemed to change his outlook on his past life.  He wrote books and appears be remorseful of his earlier actions.  This is definitely applaudable, and one hopes that other people in gangs will hear his message about the direction of that lifestyle.  BUT, it does not change the fact that his actions cost 4 people their lives, which is irreversible.  As long as the law allows capital punishment for murder, then murderers need to be punished to the full extent the law allows.

I will only say what others have said many times in the past. I am sure many in here would change thier minds about someone on death row if they killed one of thier love ones. If someone killed your mom, if someone killed your sister, if someone killed your dad so on an so on. It'll be a little diffrent outlook if it happend to you and or your family.
  I just wish they made it public and or placed it on pay preview. Hell I'll pay 10 bucks to watch it. Like i bet another million as well would, so that ten millon dollars could go to the schools/police force to educate our young and help get more like him off the streets.Making the world more safer place to live.

It's my guess is he'll be dead at midnight tuesday morning. . . because the other 3/4 of the world wants it.

My Civics class was read at least parts of his book.  IMO, he should be at least docked down to life, because capital punishment is only useful if someone will be a further threat to society.  As Tookie has proven that he has shown remorse for his actions and has worked to keep others from following in his footsteps, he is almost certainly not a threat to society anymore.  However, that does not change the fact that he killed four people, so he should certainly spend a very long stretch in prison, if not life.  However, if there is smoking-gun evidence that someone did it, and it is 1:1 million chance that he will reform like Tookie, it's off with the head (I'm talking about any generic prisoner here, NOT Tookie).

./KRUX said :

DO NOT get me wrong murder is wrong.. {{{{{{{.but in this case i think hes served his time }}}}}}. I think he  deserves a chance to better he and the others around him. From years of inner reflection.

HELL NO on that comment  { but in this case i think hes served his time } SO MANY PEOPLE WHITE OR BLACK have done more time just for one murder but four .. come on. HE basically KILLED 4 people. his time is when he is dead and never going to bother anyone again. How long does the four victums have to wait until they come back to life and live and become better citizens>?

He didnt only kill 4 people, he basically co founded a gang thats been involed in extreme acts of crime against humanity. There are probably some numers out there to reffer to as on how actually has suffered/murdered due to his involment.

Nothing will change that and nothing he does or say can make it all good. He can scream with all his heart that he's sorry, but no one will forgive him. For a man trying to get back to the world this is the the ultimate punisment. Its a fucking hell dimention for your soul witch you have to live out every singe god damn day.

Funny, crime against humanity eh?
Funny how the United States describes his alleged (horrible) acts as crime against humanity. Last time I checked, it was all lovey dovey with Turkey. Turks DID commit a crime against humanity, and never suffered any consequences.

Staline, Truman, Milosevic, Saddam, and many more perpretated crimes and against humanity, and never will they be punished as Tookie sadly will. I could have mentionned Hitler, but that dude killed himself. Execution is a primitive form of vengeance, which, when you think about it, makes the state the biggest criminal. Nothing really changed in some states. You don't solve problems by killing it, you make them worse.

Sure, god forbid a criminal kills one of our beloved. But even so, isn't LAW supposed to be BEYOND personnal believes and experience? If it was up to people, why need law? You killed my mother, I kill yours....thats 4th grade all over again, isn't it?

The guy made some good out of it, claims he never killed anyone, no one really knows? He probably did? You just have to think about what kind of society you want to have. One that promotes justice and salvation, or one that promotes instincts like vengeance and force.

Remember, willing obediance beats forced obediance, you can't force people anything. His execution is probably an exemple for other mobsters, but to all of the others, except narrow-minded people, it proves nothing at all, just proves the fact that the country officials, or at least, the state officials are run by idiots.

Last edited by Vartan (2005-12-09 19:01:53)

S4INT05 is the biggest redneck i know of, and i wouldnt doubt it if he is racist. someone please kick his sisters chin

|77th|Rebone wrote:

I do not have enough information to actually judge whether this man should die or not.

I'll just sit back and let you chew on that statement for a while

I am going to treat this subject like a round of bf2..... if you kill me or someone in my squad/clan, then you need to die....I think this shit head who killed 4 people (not to mention the others he did not confess too) should pay and die.... No noble peace prize, or anything like that.... this is not an episode of Oz (HBO).     Fry and move on.....

See you all on the Battle field.....

frankie4fingers

soon to be Sgt major.......

theburritos wrote:

S4INT05 is the biggest redneck i know of, and i wouldnt doubt it if he is racist. someone please kick his sisters chin

lol okay dude..just because i believe the dude deserves to die makes me a redneck/racist? shit dude. chill. that's prejudice right there. you don't know me, so just sit down and quit being so ignorant. i share the same opinions as the majority of the people on this poll. are they racist?

My comments here are not about "Tookie" in this case but are about a more general blanket of criminals.

I support Capital Punishment in the following cases:

* Cases where serial murders have been proven. Killers of this nature should not exist in society in any way shape or form. They should not take up space in the prison system and should be removed from the gene pool permanently.

* Cases where the criminal is a repeat offender of violent crime and shows a history of repeated violent or henious acts. Criminals that have no respect for life or the law. They continously commit armed robbery, rape, murder and other acts. They are not psychotic serial killers in the classic respect but they are just as dangerous to society and in fact more so as they do not follow a specific profile. Everyone around them is in danger.

* Cases where the criminal commits an act or acts of mass murder. This can include maliciously setting off a bomb in a crowded market or in a stadium or other location of large numbers. This could include a man with a rifle shooting and killing people form their car or from a bell tower for example.

In the above cases I support the Death Penality. I believe that humans of this sort do not reserve any rights of society and have given up the right to life as they have no respect for any other person's right to life. They are a drain on society and should be removed quickly so that they no longer take anything from society as a whole. Regardless of redemption after the fact or while in prison, regardless of the sympathy or regret they may show after they are in prison, they are still responsible for their actions. As such they should answer for them.

In all other cases I do not support Capital Punishment.