I'm a 17 year old male that went to a public high school in not the best town in New York...Yep, congratulations detective shithead you've cracking into me. With all that aside, I have smoked before, on numerous occassions. Side effects? Oh you mean dryness of mouth, inablility to think efficiently, and impaired vision. I don't know anyone that's immune to THC, sorry. I guess I have experieneced those things you assume I haven't done. Good try though. Is it just because I think that marijuana is bad and that it shouldn't be legal mean that my thought must be some type of unexperienced assumptions based and others opinions? I guess I don't have any knowledge.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You've never smoked pot and you don't actually have any real knowledge of the effects of pot do you?{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
That's a good point. Society doesn't want pot legalized because they know what alcohol does to you. Now, imagine pothead-alcoholics in society. There are some already, of course, but now think of hundreds of times that number. Society wouldn't allow this combination to be legalized. Sorry.Volatile_Squirrel wrote:
Alcohol is legal because society wants it. Prohibition anyone? If most of our society wanted to eat human fetuses, then you could be certain that it would be made legal.
Poll
Do you think legalizing marijuana is a good idea?
| Yes, but don't like the idea | 12% | 12% - 37 | ||||
| Yes, and I like the idea | 58% | 58% - 172 | ||||
| No, i hate the idea | 23% | 23% - 69 | ||||
| No, but i liker the idea | 5% | 5% - 15 | ||||
| Total: 293 | ||||||
When I drive to work or I go anywhere else and I pass a coffeeshop here, I look inside and I see some hardcore zombies there, man.
That's no joke, that stuff makes you slow as fuck.
That's no joke, that stuff makes you slow as fuck.
... What?ts-pulsar wrote:
Legalize it. Doesn't hurt anyone and the gov wastes billions trying to get rid of it.
Look, the government doesn't 'waste' billions of dollars to rid the marijuana problem. They effectively use 'M'illions of dollars to train officers, use force, and prosecute those people who sell it/produce it. The government normally wouldn't particularly 'waste' millions of dollars if they thought the program is working correctly.
Ok man u just go live in the enchanted forest with the rest of the elves, drugs are real and weed is totally harmless. Here in Holland everybody tries it and then gets bored with it and then stops. what's the problem??
Stops to do what? Speed?doneyone wrote:
Ok man u just go live in the enchanted forest with the rest of the elves, drugs are real and weed is totally harmless. Here in Holland everybody tries it and then gets bored with it and then stops. what's the problem??
Yes and coke
OK, I stand corrected, I assumed you hadn't smoked it because your views on its effects are so distorted as to be unreal.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
I'm a 17 year old male that went to a public high school in not the best town in New York...Yep, congratulations detective shithead you've cracking into me. With all that aside, I have smoked before, on numerous occassions. Side effects? Oh you mean dryness of mouth, inablility to think efficiently, and impaired vision. I don't know anyone that's immune to THC, sorry. I guess I have experieneced those things you assume I haven't done. Good try though. Is it just because I think that marijuana is bad and that it shouldn't be legal mean that my thought must be some type of unexperienced assumptions based and others opinions? I guess I don't have any knowledge.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
You've never smoked pot and you don't actually have any real knowledge of the effects of pot do you?{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
That's a good point. Society doesn't want pot legalized because they know what alcohol does to you. Now, imagine pothead-alcoholics in society. There are some already, of course, but now think of hundreds of times that number. Society wouldn't allow this combination to be legalized. Sorry.
Perhaps that's what you may think, but you'd be completely wrong. Holland functions fine with weed legalised, and does not have any problems with high drivers, or anything else that you seem to think.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
That's a good point. Society doesn't want pot legalized because they know what alcohol does to you. Now, imagine pothead-alcoholics in society. There are some already, of course, but now think of hundreds of times that number. Society wouldn't allow this combination to be legalized. Sorry.Volatile_Squirrel wrote:
Alcohol is legal because society wants it. Prohibition anyone? If most of our society wanted to eat human fetuses, then you could be certain that it would be made legal.
LOL at all the minors in here debating on something they have little to no life experience with... i love this thread...
Good Idea OH Lord !! ... OF COURSE ITS A GOOD IDEA
Do you have something useful to comment then, as you claim to be so 'experiences' in all things in life? No? Then fuck off.SuperSlowYo wrote:
LOL at all the minors in here debating on something they have little to no life experience with... i love this thread...
well did someone piss in your cornflakes this mornin or what? a tad grumpy today?... i put in my 2 cents a few times already throught this thread im sorry if you missed my valued words of wisdomghettoperson wrote:
Do you have something useful to comment then, as you claim to be so 'experiences' in all things in life? No? Then fuck off.SuperSlowYo wrote:
LOL at all the minors in here debating on something they have little to no life experience with... i love this thread...
Edit: yeah i dont actually claim to be experienced with all things in life... and my crack was directed towards {XpLiCiTxX}'s comments
Last edited by SuperSlowYo (2006-09-27 11:12:56)
Well i dont care if it's legal or not...
Only thing is that the cost would go down if it was legalized...
Only thing is that the cost would go down if it was legalized...
Sorry, just sounded like the usual idiot who makes one stupid comment and then leaves. I did read the whole thread, but I usually don't notice specific users, unless they have an interesting sig.
This would assume that all people are the same types of drivers. The last time I checked America doesn't have the best accident records.ghettoperson wrote:
Perhaps that's what you may think, but you'd be completely wrong. Holland functions fine with weed legalised, and does not have any problems with high drivers, or anything else that you seem to think.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
That's a good point. Society doesn't want pot legalized because they know what alcohol does to you. Now, imagine pothead-alcoholics in society. There are some already, of course, but now think of hundreds of times that number. Society wouldn't allow this combination to be legalized. Sorry.Volatile_Squirrel wrote:
Alcohol is legal because society wants it. Prohibition anyone? If most of our society wanted to eat human fetuses, then you could be certain that it would be made legal.
Sorry for such a long read.
All credit goes to Jack Herer and http://www.jackherer.com/index.html
This is copied and pasted from about halfway down Jack Herer's main page
Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
We hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!
If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic Circle and to the Antarctic Circle; from the mountains to the valleys, from the oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the 300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12 inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The roots penetrate up to 6 feet deep, pulverizing the soil and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.
All of my information about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA has been taken from Federal and State Department of Agriculture reports, articles from Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Pulp & Paper Magazine, Scientific American, entries from encyclopedias and pharmacopoeias, and studies from all over the world during the last 200 years. This is all public information. The United States government is hiding the fact that 125 years ago, and even as far back as 4000 BC, 80% of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for paper, fiber and fuel. Ten to 20% of our drug economy was based on CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA medicines, 125 years ago.
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was part of our everyday life. Virtually every farm and every plot of land in the cities and towns across the United States and the world, from 100-125 years ago and before, had a CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA patch growing. The U.S. government's cover-up of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA outrages me and it should outrage you, too. I have been studying CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for over 30 years, and I can't believe how the U.S. government, in 90 seconds in Congress, could outlaw "MARIJUANA" in 1937, without the people realizing they were outlawing CANNABIS/HEMP, the most perfect plant for the planet! They even got other countries to outlaw it, too, after the Second World War and beyond. From 1740 to 1940, 80% of all the world's CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was grown (mostly by Cossacks, who were indentured servants), and then imported from, Russia.
I will again reiterate a few of the facts about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, which you already know from reading my book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the NUMBER ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80% of all paper, fiber, textiles and fuel, from 6,000 years ago until about 125 years ago. Furthermore, it was used for 5 to 50% of the food, light, land and soil reclamation, and even 20% or more of all medicine. Everyone, from the educated to the uneducated, the farmer to the townsperson, the doctors and the scientists used CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA products and depended on them.75 to 90% of all paper used from at least 100 AD to 1883 was made of CANNABIS/HEMP. Books, (including Bibles), money and newspapers all over the world have been mainly printed on CANNABIS/HEMP for as long as these things have existed in human history.
One hundred and 25 years ago, 70 to 90% of all rope, twine, cordage, ship sails, canvas, fiber, cloth, etc., was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP fiber! It was replaced by DuPont's newly discovered petrochemical fiber (nylon) beginning in 1937. By comparison, CANNABIS/HEMP is 4 times softer than cotton, 4 times warmer, 4 times more water absorbent, has 3 times the strength of cotton, is many times more durable, is flame retardant, and doesn't use pesticides. Fifty percent of all pesticides are used on cotton, yet cotton uses only 1% of the farmland in the U.S! CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the most health giving plant on Earth and it doesn't require pesticides or herbicides! It is the healthiest plant for human consumption, and for the Earth itself.
Eighty percent of our economy depended on CANNABIS/HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel, 125 years ago. At that time, it took 300 man-hours to harvest an acre of CANNABIS/HEMP, but with the invention of the brand new HEMP decorticator in the 1930s, it only took 1-1/2 to 2 hours. This is equivalent to reducing the labor burden from $6,000 down to $40 per acre, in today's money. Keep in mind that the cotton gin, in 1793, reduced the man-hours from 300 hours down to 2 hours to harvest and clean an acre of cotton. CANNABIS/HEMP would have taken over the cotton market, as it is far superior to cotton, and pesticide free. The role of CANNABIS/HEMP should be determined by market supply and demand and not by undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that keep the natural from replacing the synthetic. I repeat, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plants!
Of all the 300,000 species of plants on Earth, no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA seeds. It is the only plant on Earth that provides us with the NUMBER ONE source, and the perfect balance of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, globulin edestin protein, and essential oils all combined in one plant, and in a form which is most naturally digestible to our bodies.
Prior to the 1800s, CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil was the NUMBER ONE source for lighting oil throughout the world. Until 1937-38, even paints and varnishes were 80% CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is non-toxic and has been used to make high-grade diesel fuel, oil, aircraft and precision oil and even the NUMBER ONE vegetable oil. The U.S. Army/Navy standards purchasing specifications list HEMP OIL as the NUMBER ONE preferred lubricant for their machinery. CANNABIS/HEMP is the best sustainable source of plant pulp for biomass fuel to make charcoal, gas, methanol, gasoline and electricity in a natural way.
In 1850, 80% of all paper, fiber, fuel, and oil was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP in America and the rest of the world. This was before the discovery of coal and petroleum for energy in the late 1850s...before the start of the worst permanent pollution ever experienced on Earth... fossil fuel pollution (coal and petroleum)!!
As a medicine, the worldwide use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA goes back at least 6,000 years. Remember, 10 to 20%t of our medicines used to be CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA based medicines. It has been found to be healthy and effective in the treatment of chronic pain, cancer, strokes, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, sickle cell anemia, AIDS wasting and many other illnesses, including simple nausea, appetite stimulant, anxiety and muscle pains, etc.
On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," and asked the Drug Enforcement Administration to reschedule it. The DEA refused, keeping it as a Schedule I drug, which they say "has no known medical use"! Thousands of studies have been done all over the world, documenting the medical use of MARIJUANA (England, Spain, Hungary, Holland, and the U.S., just to name a few). No one has ever died from MARIJUANA in over 6,000 years of recorded history... unless they were shot by a COP!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was also used for land reclamation until 1915. CANNABIS/HEMP was planted or left to grow feral as ground cover and on riverbanks, and not intended for harvest. It is the NUMBER ONE plant in history used to prevent mudslides and loss of watershed, and river and soil erosion on Earth. It has been illegal to grow this NUMBER ONE plant in the United States since 1937.What disgusts me the most is how the U.S. government, as well as the people, knew about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and praised its value and then look what happened! In literally 90 seconds, the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed in Congress. By using the unknown name "MARIJUANA" instead of the familiar name "CANNABIS HEMP", Congress was able to accomplish this because no one knew what plant they were talking about. CANNABIS/HEMP became illegal and was replaced by petrochemical products, coal and natural gas. They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the words "HEMP" and "CANNABIS/HEMP" were not even taught in schools from the 1940s, 50s and thereafter.
The role of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945. To prove it, think... what did you learn about CANNABIS/HEMP in grade school? High school? College? From your parents and grandparents? Nothing! (Unless it was from the underground press within the last 15 to 20 years.) The continuing suppression of this information by the U.S. government places us all in mortal jeopardy. I believe that, in order to save our planet, we must use non-fossil fuel energy. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, in conjunction with wind, solar, tidal and hydroelectric power, could save the planet by providing all of our energy, fuel, paper, fiber, and 10 to 20% of our medical needs, naturally. It would also reduce acid rain and chemical pollution, rebuild the soil, and reverse the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!). CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was used to make over 25,000 products before it was outlawed in 1937.
Why does the U.S. government want to eradicate this seed, out of all the seeds on Earth? They want to kill the most perfect plant on the planet. We must stop this insanity and demand that the laws against CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA be 100% repealed!!
Federal Attorney General John Ashcroft, Drug Enforcement Administration head, Asa Hutchison, and White House Drug Czar, John Walters, have been given all of these proven facts and yet are still set against the legalization of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and recognition of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIUANA knowledge. For whatever personal reasons, they refuse to believe the facts and are willing to sacrifice the future of our planet and the health of our people by keeping it illegal.
The ban of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is so extreme and its intention is to hide the truth. The truth is that out of the 300,000 species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the NUMBER ONE plant for our survival and quality of life here on Earth. Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government and Attorney General John Ashcroft have been calling MARIJUANA users "terrorists" and yet the government of the United States has been "terrorizing" MARIJUANA users for the last 65 years! There have been over 14 million arrests for CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA in the last 65 years, in the U.S. alone! 13 million were within the last 30 years!
No one has taken the $100,000 challenge to prove me wrong. Why? Because I am right. The U.S. government has been lying to us since the early 1900s. Do economic interests and the police have more to say than the people about the future of our planet? How angry are you for being lied to by the U.S. government about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA? Are you willing to make a stand right now? No one can dispute this information and knowledge. YOU have to join me in this fight. Either you are on the U.S. government's side or you are on my side.
Also here is a interesting link to a 1938 Popular Mechanics article http://www.jackherer.com/popmech.html
All credit goes to Jack Herer and http://www.jackherer.com/index.html
This is copied and pasted from about halfway down Jack Herer's main page
Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong! Prove us wrong!
We hereby extend our $100,000 challenge to prove us wrong!
If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction, were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the greenhouse effect and stop deforestation; then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time... and that substance is the same one that has done it before . . . CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the only known plant that can be grown from the Equator to the Arctic Circle and to the Antarctic Circle; from the mountains to the valleys, from the oceans to the plains, including arid lands and everywhere in between. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the healthiest plant for the ground out of the 300,000 known species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, because it has a root system that grows 10 to 12 inches in 30 days compared to one inch for rye, barley grass, etc. The roots penetrate up to 6 feet deep, pulverizing the soil and making it arable. After harvest it leaves a root system that is mulched into the ground, revitalizing the land and making it live once again. It is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plant life.
All of my information about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA has been taken from Federal and State Department of Agriculture reports, articles from Popular Mechanics, Popular Science, Pulp & Paper Magazine, Scientific American, entries from encyclopedias and pharmacopoeias, and studies from all over the world during the last 200 years. This is all public information. The United States government is hiding the fact that 125 years ago, and even as far back as 4000 BC, 80% of our economy was based on the use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for paper, fiber and fuel. Ten to 20% of our drug economy was based on CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA medicines, 125 years ago.
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was part of our everyday life. Virtually every farm and every plot of land in the cities and towns across the United States and the world, from 100-125 years ago and before, had a CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA patch growing. The U.S. government's cover-up of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA outrages me and it should outrage you, too. I have been studying CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA for over 30 years, and I can't believe how the U.S. government, in 90 seconds in Congress, could outlaw "MARIJUANA" in 1937, without the people realizing they were outlawing CANNABIS/HEMP, the most perfect plant for the planet! They even got other countries to outlaw it, too, after the Second World War and beyond. From 1740 to 1940, 80% of all the world's CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was grown (mostly by Cossacks, who were indentured servants), and then imported from, Russia.
I will again reiterate a few of the facts about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, which you already know from reading my book, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was the NUMBER ONE annually renewable natural resource for 80% of all paper, fiber, textiles and fuel, from 6,000 years ago until about 125 years ago. Furthermore, it was used for 5 to 50% of the food, light, land and soil reclamation, and even 20% or more of all medicine. Everyone, from the educated to the uneducated, the farmer to the townsperson, the doctors and the scientists used CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA products and depended on them.75 to 90% of all paper used from at least 100 AD to 1883 was made of CANNABIS/HEMP. Books, (including Bibles), money and newspapers all over the world have been mainly printed on CANNABIS/HEMP for as long as these things have existed in human history.
One hundred and 25 years ago, 70 to 90% of all rope, twine, cordage, ship sails, canvas, fiber, cloth, etc., was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP fiber! It was replaced by DuPont's newly discovered petrochemical fiber (nylon) beginning in 1937. By comparison, CANNABIS/HEMP is 4 times softer than cotton, 4 times warmer, 4 times more water absorbent, has 3 times the strength of cotton, is many times more durable, is flame retardant, and doesn't use pesticides. Fifty percent of all pesticides are used on cotton, yet cotton uses only 1% of the farmland in the U.S! CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the most health giving plant on Earth and it doesn't require pesticides or herbicides! It is the healthiest plant for human consumption, and for the Earth itself.
Eighty percent of our economy depended on CANNABIS/HEMP for paper, fiber and fuel, 125 years ago. At that time, it took 300 man-hours to harvest an acre of CANNABIS/HEMP, but with the invention of the brand new HEMP decorticator in the 1930s, it only took 1-1/2 to 2 hours. This is equivalent to reducing the labor burden from $6,000 down to $40 per acre, in today's money. Keep in mind that the cotton gin, in 1793, reduced the man-hours from 300 hours down to 2 hours to harvest and clean an acre of cotton. CANNABIS/HEMP would have taken over the cotton market, as it is far superior to cotton, and pesticide free. The role of CANNABIS/HEMP should be determined by market supply and demand and not by undue influence of prohibition laws, federal subsidies and huge tariffs that keep the natural from replacing the synthetic. I repeat, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the KING KONG of the King Kongs of all plants!
Of all the 300,000 species of plants on Earth, no other plant source can compare with the nutritional value of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA seeds. It is the only plant on Earth that provides us with the NUMBER ONE source, and the perfect balance of essential amino acids, essential fatty acids, globulin edestin protein, and essential oils all combined in one plant, and in a form which is most naturally digestible to our bodies.
Prior to the 1800s, CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil was the NUMBER ONE source for lighting oil throughout the world. Until 1937-38, even paints and varnishes were 80% CANNABIS/HEMPSEED oil. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is non-toxic and has been used to make high-grade diesel fuel, oil, aircraft and precision oil and even the NUMBER ONE vegetable oil. The U.S. Army/Navy standards purchasing specifications list HEMP OIL as the NUMBER ONE preferred lubricant for their machinery. CANNABIS/HEMP is the best sustainable source of plant pulp for biomass fuel to make charcoal, gas, methanol, gasoline and electricity in a natural way.
In 1850, 80% of all paper, fiber, fuel, and oil was made out of CANNABIS/HEMP in America and the rest of the world. This was before the discovery of coal and petroleum for energy in the late 1850s...before the start of the worst permanent pollution ever experienced on Earth... fossil fuel pollution (coal and petroleum)!!
As a medicine, the worldwide use of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA goes back at least 6,000 years. Remember, 10 to 20%t of our medicines used to be CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA based medicines. It has been found to be healthy and effective in the treatment of chronic pain, cancer, strokes, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, sickle cell anemia, AIDS wasting and many other illnesses, including simple nausea, appetite stimulant, anxiety and muscle pains, etc.
On September 6, 1988, the Drug Enforcement Administration's Chief Administrative Law Judge, Francis L. Young, ruled: "Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man," and asked the Drug Enforcement Administration to reschedule it. The DEA refused, keeping it as a Schedule I drug, which they say "has no known medical use"! Thousands of studies have been done all over the world, documenting the medical use of MARIJUANA (England, Spain, Hungary, Holland, and the U.S., just to name a few). No one has ever died from MARIJUANA in over 6,000 years of recorded history... unless they were shot by a COP!
CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was also used for land reclamation until 1915. CANNABIS/HEMP was planted or left to grow feral as ground cover and on riverbanks, and not intended for harvest. It is the NUMBER ONE plant in history used to prevent mudslides and loss of watershed, and river and soil erosion on Earth. It has been illegal to grow this NUMBER ONE plant in the United States since 1937.What disgusts me the most is how the U.S. government, as well as the people, knew about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and praised its value and then look what happened! In literally 90 seconds, the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937 passed in Congress. By using the unknown name "MARIJUANA" instead of the familiar name "CANNABIS HEMP", Congress was able to accomplish this because no one knew what plant they were talking about. CANNABIS/HEMP became illegal and was replaced by petrochemical products, coal and natural gas. They made it such a banned and forbidden plant that the words "HEMP" and "CANNABIS/HEMP" were not even taught in schools from the 1940s, 50s and thereafter.
The role of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was erased from America's history (as well as most of the rest of the world's) after 1945. To prove it, think... what did you learn about CANNABIS/HEMP in grade school? High school? College? From your parents and grandparents? Nothing! (Unless it was from the underground press within the last 15 to 20 years.) The continuing suppression of this information by the U.S. government places us all in mortal jeopardy. I believe that, in order to save our planet, we must use non-fossil fuel energy. CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA, in conjunction with wind, solar, tidal and hydroelectric power, could save the planet by providing all of our energy, fuel, paper, fiber, and 10 to 20% of our medical needs, naturally. It would also reduce acid rain and chemical pollution, rebuild the soil, and reverse the greenhouse effect (no other plant can do this!). CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA was used to make over 25,000 products before it was outlawed in 1937.
Why does the U.S. government want to eradicate this seed, out of all the seeds on Earth? They want to kill the most perfect plant on the planet. We must stop this insanity and demand that the laws against CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA be 100% repealed!!
Federal Attorney General John Ashcroft, Drug Enforcement Administration head, Asa Hutchison, and White House Drug Czar, John Walters, have been given all of these proven facts and yet are still set against the legalization of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA and recognition of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIUANA knowledge. For whatever personal reasons, they refuse to believe the facts and are willing to sacrifice the future of our planet and the health of our people by keeping it illegal.
The ban of CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is so extreme and its intention is to hide the truth. The truth is that out of the 300,000 species, and the millions and millions of subspecies, of plants on Earth, CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA is the NUMBER ONE plant for our survival and quality of life here on Earth. Since September 11, 2001, the U.S. government and Attorney General John Ashcroft have been calling MARIJUANA users "terrorists" and yet the government of the United States has been "terrorizing" MARIJUANA users for the last 65 years! There have been over 14 million arrests for CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA in the last 65 years, in the U.S. alone! 13 million were within the last 30 years!
No one has taken the $100,000 challenge to prove me wrong. Why? Because I am right. The U.S. government has been lying to us since the early 1900s. Do economic interests and the police have more to say than the people about the future of our planet? How angry are you for being lied to by the U.S. government about CANNABIS/HEMP/MARIJUANA? Are you willing to make a stand right now? No one can dispute this information and knowledge. YOU have to join me in this fight. Either you are on the U.S. government's side or you are on my side.
Also here is a interesting link to a 1938 Popular Mechanics article http://www.jackherer.com/popmech.html
Last edited by JG1567JG (2006-09-27 12:45:10)
Who said just adults? I didn't. What about grade school kids trying it? Middle school pretty much has it covered already, as does high school and college is just nuts. So nothing would change? How do you figure that? Ok, let me get on your train of thought here, hypothetically thinking... If something, such as marijuana, were to be make legal...nothing would change?... What? The people who want to smoke pot do smoke pot. Ok, now add in those people who were scared to smoke because it was illegal. Does anyone see where I'm going with this? Look, if it were to be made legal, then the number of people who would be smoking would largely increase, right? Ok, now with that out of the way...Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Except, as has already been pointed out, by several people, and for several reasons the dangers of marijuana do not compare, in anyway, to the dangers of alcohol.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Yep, you read my mind. Now, before I have people on my ass, I'm gonna say that I'm a hypocrite. Do I drink? Yep. Do I like it? Yes. Do I think that it's the most harmful substance on Earth? Yes. Does it make me a bad person to think that something that kills an unheard of amount of people yearly should be illegal? Most likely, but yeah, we could also argue guns, but I'm not going to go there. My hands would fall off by the time I finished my rant. I'm comparing marijuana to another known drug, alcohol, in regards to how dangerous it is.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
So basically you're saying that we should make alcohol illegal. They tried that in America. It didn't work. The crime rate went up, by a staggering amount. They quickly changed their minds.
Why did that happen? Because people take drugs. Making it illegal doesn't stop them from taking them. In fact it causes more problems than it solves.
See: http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=37531That's bollox - the vast majority of adults that want to smoke pot smoke it now (in this country at least). Nothing would change.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
So, if they were to legalize marijuana, then people who wanted to smoke but were too pussy to try it could go buy it from the local gas station. Now what do we have? We have double the amount of people smoking and most likely driving, parenting, (perhaps) people in school, maybe doctors and people in elective office smoking pot. Wonderful, now the entire population is soaring above the clouds. All to do what? Help the countries debt and maybe help out the prision system? -_- You have to be kidding me right?
And think about all those tax dollars that will be saved by ending that small part of the war on drugs - those tax dollars that could be used to build better schools to educate your children well enough to make their own informed decision about wether or not they wish to partake of any drug. Is that not a good thing?
Tax dollars would still be used hence pot was legal moron. Yes, this money could be spent elsewhere, such as schooling, but it's not. Where do you think the tax money would go instead of towards the funding of policemen to fight the war on drugs? Here comes the clue train last stop is you. The government would be funding scientists to develop ways to make the now legal pot, safer. Do you honestly think that the pot we have right now would be the pot that would be sold by the government? How dumb are you? Obviously they're going to add chemicals and take out shit to make it safer. How are they going to fund all this? ***NEWS FLASH*** TAX MONEY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This thread is starting to anger me because you people have no brains.
One word: No.
just out of curiousity in your opinion what exactly is unsafe about the marijuana we consume? are ya gonna tell me its the THC? This is the primary chemical responsible for the psychoactive effects of marijuana...the only thing pretty much you could do to make it safer would be too remove some of the non active cannaboids while keeping THC (the active cannaboids)... this would give us a less resinous weed with the same potency making it easier on the lungs and just as fun for the user... now considering the government allows smoking cig's that contain additives that are much more harmfull, do you think they would re-invest money into that? i doubt it... if it was legalized and in government control we would all be left smoking bags of bunk leafy stick so basically all the government would do is ruin another good thing so i will agree legalization is bad, DECRIMINALIZATION is what ya want fellas... leave the weed in the hands of people that know and love what they are doin ;-){XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
The government would be funding scientists to develop ways to make the now legal pot, safer. Do you honestly think that the pot we have right now would be the pot that would be sold by the government? How dumb are you? Obviously they're going to add chemicals and take out shit to make it safer. How are they going to fund all this? ***NEWS FLASH*** TAX MONEY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This thread is starting to anger me because you people have no brains.
it's good to a limit.
TRULY and proof of it for medicinal use, yes. recreational, no.
TRULY and proof of it for medicinal use, yes. recreational, no.
Last edited by MURcarnage (2006-09-28 00:23:46)
Whatever the case may be, I don't have a problem with a cancer patient taking pot to increase their appetite. Some states make it legal, but acquisition is still illegal.
Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2006-09-28 00:28:57)
It's even been proven that it is safer than both Cigarettes and Alchohol Beverages and less addictive.
I said adults because in my opinion there should be a lowest age limit set, just as there is for alcohol and tobacco, on the legal sale of cannabis.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Who said just adults? I didn't. What about grade school kids trying it? Middle school pretty much has it covered already, as does high school and college is just nuts. So nothing would change? How do you figure that? Ok, let me get on your train of thought here, hypothetically thinking... If something, such as marijuana, were to be make legal...nothing would change?... What? The people who want to smoke pot do smoke pot. Ok, now add in those people who were scared to smoke because it was illegal. Does anyone see where I'm going with this? Look, if it were to be made legal, then the number of people who would be smoking would largely increase, right? Ok, now with that out of the way...
But, actually, also in this country, most of the school kids that want to smoke it already smoke it - as I said, in this country, there are so few people, that want to smoke cannabis but don't, that legalisation would make (as good as) no difference to either the number of people smoking it or the effect it has on society.
For example - a study published in the Lancet gives the following usages amongst university students:
see: http://www.maps.org/publications/1996_webb_1.pdfCannabis - Used once or twice: 12·9% (398) - Used more than once or twice: 24·4% (751) - Use regularly - 19·8% (610)
They also state that :
So, nearly half of those using a drug first experienced it before going to university, nearly all said they take them for pleasure and very few out of curiosity.First experience with any illicit drug, including
cannabis, occurred before entering university in 46% of
the students; 13% after entrance. The most common
reasons for taking illicit drugs, including cannabis, were:
pleasure (75% of men, 72% of women), social pressures
(19, 18%), anxiety/stress (13, 14%), and other, usually
curiosity (21% of both men and women).
What complete and utter rubbish. I'm sorry, but you so clearly do not know what you are talking about.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Tax dollars would still be used hence pot was legal moron. Yes, this money could be spent elsewhere, such as schooling, but it's not. Where do you think the tax money would go instead of towards the funding of policemen to fight the war on drugs? Here comes the clue train last stop is you. The government would be funding scientists to develop ways to make the now legal pot, safer. Do you honestly think that the pot we have right now would be the pot that would be sold by the government? How dumb are you? Obviously they're going to add chemicals and take out shit to make it safer. How are they going to fund all this? ***NEWS FLASH*** TAX MONEY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This thread is starting to anger me because you people have no brains.
Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2006-09-28 18:20:09)
Ok genious, tell me your side of it then.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
What complete and utter rubbish. I'm sorry, but you so clearly do not know what you are talking about.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Tax dollars would still be used hence pot was legal moron. Yes, this money could be spent elsewhere, such as schooling, but it's not. Where do you think the tax money would go instead of towards the funding of policemen to fight the war on drugs? Here comes the clue train last stop is you. The government would be funding scientists to develop ways to make the now legal pot, safer. Do you honestly think that the pot we have right now would be the pot that would be sold by the government? How dumb are you? Obviously they're going to add chemicals and take out shit to make it safer. How are they going to fund all this? ***NEWS FLASH*** TAX MONEY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This thread is starting to anger me because you people have no brains.
There is already a comercial weed market, with growers providing product to wholesalers, who then provide that product on to the retailers, and the consumers consume.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Ok genious, tell me your side of it then.Scorpion0x17 wrote:
What complete and utter rubbish. I'm sorry, but you so clearly do not know what you are talking about.{XpLiCiTxX} wrote:
Tax dollars would still be used hence pot was legal moron. Yes, this money could be spent elsewhere, such as schooling, but it's not. Where do you think the tax money would go instead of towards the funding of policemen to fight the war on drugs? Here comes the clue train last stop is you. The government would be funding scientists to develop ways to make the now legal pot, safer. Do you honestly think that the pot we have right now would be the pot that would be sold by the government? How dumb are you? Obviously they're going to add chemicals and take out shit to make it safer. How are they going to fund all this? ***NEWS FLASH*** TAX MONEY YOU FUCKING IDIOT. This thread is starting to anger me because you people have no brains.
It's just that that market is a black market.
Legalise cannabis and what do all those business men do? Go "oh, well, you've got us now - you've gone and made it legal!" and give up?
Don't be stupid! They go legal.
It's a consumer driven market - we don't want shit, we don't put up with shit, we don't get shit.