BF2S Forums Time and Skill level

Well, in game is definitely a huge part of it, Trigger Happy. I know that I've had a glitch a couple times where the server didn't get my right rank and unlocks, so I show up as a private sec. class, but then I score 100+ points and people are like "WTF? He's a private?" and then the cheating accusations usually start...

attitude > stats.

If i encounter a 4-star general, who may be in the top 30 (names witheld), and he goes insane when no one revives him, or something happens that he doesnt like... Then i would see that person as having little skill

on the contrary, if i play with a lance corporal, and he is a blast to play with, i would pick the LC any day.

SPM is not a good way to see someones skill level. when i play with my friends/clan, we usually run around on foot and sneak into enemy spawns and use c4 to fuck with people. it takes up whole rounds and usually not many points.

Trigger_Happy_92 wrote:

i dont give a fuck about stats. ive seen corporals who are better at TV guiding then fucking 4 stars. not to be crass, but i judge em ingame. i dont care what all their shit is. if you do good ingame, thats all that counts for me.

Rofl i was playing with a colonel yesterday and i was piloting the chopper and was lining him up he would shoot the tv but he didnt know that he could guide it *sigh*. He insisted that i fly cuz hes "a good gunner". Not once did he guide the missle. And we played in it the entire round.  Iwas surprised to see someone with that rank not know how to tv

I think that a couple of you had really good points about how SPM is directly tied to the map (thanks to everyone's favorite "Wake Island Whore" Lt. Victim for pointing that out. lol). I think that it's obvious that that's the reason why people love to play Karkand...for the points. But I have to say that (in my opinion) the points are directly tied to the fun, regardless of the score. I mean, when you're getting points, that means that you're in the action (unless you're stat-padding).

Don't get me wrong, it's totally possible to do dumb stuff in the name of earning points. How many times have YOU been laying dead in the middle of a street in Karkand and been revived three times and killed three times within about 10 seconds? That drives me crazy. I've been a medic for a fair share of my time, but if I revive you once and you die instantly again, I have a feeling that you don't want to get stuck in that cycle, so I just declare you dead, mark the time of death, and go on my way...

Anyway...back to our main topic...it seems like KDR is the preferred stat for most of you...but is that always a good indicator? Some people are just less likely to get killed...snipers immediately come to mind when compared to assault or spec-ops who run out face-first into the fight. A good sniper won't be in the middle of the action...just close enough to see it through his scope (and leave claymores for everyone to trip over).

Or do most of you look at lots of stats before making a judgment on a player? Like if you looked at my stats, what would you say about me without having ever played in a server with (or against) me?

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

If you play Citymaps/Wake with a SPM under 3 you suck.

ooo! thats me!

Ranks mean shit.  You could be like Blazin.uk and be a revive bitch or ECR.RC who's only existance in life is to polish the inside of a karkand tank with a tooth brush.

i usually go by spm and % they are in top 3 ... then k/d then accuracy

SPM is a good way of judging skill, but you have to factor it against whether they play a LOT of one map or if their time is fairly well distributed

i love sharqi and oman, not much for karkand unless i have a tankwhore m8 with me or something, but i do try to play all maps, even shongua and zatar (shongua is a GREAT map, fog, lots of cover, non-linear play)

other then that i would say figure out what kit the player uses most, and see what his accuracy is with all possible weapons in said kit

too bad we couldn't compare stats for say, the last 5, 10 or 20 hours (something like that) of play time

then again, i consider myself tactically skilled, and my personal strategy is pretty good (many have underestimated the sneakiness)

i love how ppl always try to cap the nearest possible flags on maps like mash, while i generally try for something closer to the opposing uncap, nme proximity keeps ppl on their toes and causes mistakes

look at dalian...first flag i go for (as US) would be entrance, since holding it puts a choke on assets coming from the airfield, and the j10's can't really bomb it after takeoff without circling once, and while china focuses on reclaiming that to get their second helo up, you're mostly free to cap the two warehouse flags (loss for their names)   Get those and china has their work cut out forcing us offshore again, even if they regain entrance

that all being said, i generally waste a lot of time (lowering my SPM) getting to those advanced positions so my team has an easier time at winning (all other things being equal of course)

on a map like wake, first thing i do as US would be to steal a (or both with a buddy) j10's

skill isn't just killing

when i snipe (l96a1 usually) instead of focusing on 1 guy until he's dead (since he'll zig like a mofo after 1 hit) i hit each guy i see once, and try to peg any medics while they toss packs, i may not get many kills, but i'm softening up advancing inf considerably, allowing my teammates to advance quickly

Last edited by IntrebuloN (2006-09-25 00:36:45)

IntrebuloN wrote:

too bad we couldn't compare stats for say, the last 5, 10 or 20 hours (something like that) of play time

Chuy, are you reading this? lol. I think that would be a great feature. That was another thing that Captngetsome and I were discussing...that even though both of us have SPM's beow 3, if we started a new account, we could probably be pushing 4 with out SPM's (yes, I will confess, I love Karkand. Fast paced infantry combat is where the fun is in my opinion).

IntrebuloN wrote:

when i snipe (l96a1 usually) instead of focusing on 1 guy until he's dead (since he'll zig like a mofo after 1 hit) i hit each guy i see once, and try to peg any medics while they toss packs, i may not get many kills, but i'm softening up advancing inf considerably, allowing my teammates to advance quickly

What a team player. I get so many assists when I snipe that it's not even funny. I think that part of what makes it so easy NOT to be a team player is that over the course of balancing the game, some of the kits have lost their punch. If you look at my stats, I have a ton of time as Spec-Ops. That was all I played up until the patch (I think that it was 1.3....) where they made it so you couldn't jump and throw C4. After that, tanks ruled the world (or at least Karkand) because it takes 3 or 4 AT rockets to blow them up. Then I unlocked the G36 for the medic and I became a medic since my beloved C4 had been castrated.

GermanLegionaire wrote:

Has anyone mentioned the "Kill per minute" indicator?

That's a good one if you're talking about someone who kills a lot. I got for a high SPM, but that doesn't make me a grenade spammer on Karkand. As several people have said, I like to take flags and sneak around behind the enemy (I'm that person you pray your commander scans and spots before he takes the suburbs or train accident ) It frustrates me SO MUCH when the idiots on my USMC team want to spend the whole round smashing their face into the hotel when I can run right past the hotel and try to take a spawn point only to get killed by one or two guys.

I think that there needs to be some way to earn points for team based activities (see my seperate thread regarding that)

I judge the person Ingame, with multiple 1 vs 1 combat stuff, If that ever happens, I dont look at stats with the intention : Wooo look at him, mostly its nice, but nothing with "Skill"

-there are just so many ways to get the "good"  stats the easy way

I go on ingame, just yesterday i was the highest ranking player on my team (2nd lietenant tho ) and there were 3 privates 1 private first class two gunnery sargeants and 4 lance corporals. Then the other team consisted of two Sargeant Majors (silver leaf thingy) and 2 lietenant colonels (bronze leafy thing) in the same clan, one general 4 stars 1 general 3 stars and there were 3 my rank 2nd lietenant and one captain ( 2 silver bars). The map was mashtuur 32 player, no vehicles we were usmc, they mec we zero ticketed the fools both rounds 150 sumfin - 0 and 93-0 to us it was quality, the officers were pwned next round i got swapped to usmc and joined the "better players" due to admins, then when i joined back mec i got kicked for disobeying admins !!! fucking side stackers should be shot.