CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6801
"Western media and state institutions demonise muslims as much as North African/Arab/Persian/Pakistani media and state institutions demonise westerners. As such all us westerners get tarred/generalised as pro-Israeli-terror, anti-muslim, imperialist oppressors and all middle easterners get tarred/generalised as suicidal, homicidal, misogynistic, god-obsessed barbarians. Therein lies a fundamental problem and barrier to understanding, coexistence and peaceful resolution of issues."

Discuss....

PS Hasta luego muchachos. Voy a Cuba para dos semanas mañana. Espero que todo estará bien en el forum hasta mi regreso y leeré sus respuestas entonces. Viva la revolución! Hasta la victoría siempre!!
kr@cker
Bringin' Sexy Back!
+581|6794|Southeastern USA
damn 2 whole weeks? i thought it was only for one, ass,  I have to be "on call" all winter, so if I do take vacation I still can't travel, don't stray too close to Gitmo, you may never come back.
N.A.T.O
The People’s Champion
+59|6685|A drop house
The media only broadcasts the views that will get the ratings in the US because it is alot easier to say were killing killers. and in the Middle East the media has its own political agenda to instill dislike of all westerners it is the way of things. P.S Have fun In Cuba for those 2 weeks.

Last edited by N.A.T.O (2006-09-20 15:23:35)

IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6736|Northern California
Being that the media is what gives most people their opinions, this conversation is moot..i mean "mute" as someone cleverly mistyped earlier today.

My opinion is that we let north and south take over and let east and west go away.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6774|Global Command
I mostly believe that the medias simply recite what the people are saying. There is evidence of bias, as in when empty headed reporters around the U.S. refer to GW as Mr. Bush, and not President Bush. They are saying in a subtle way " your not the president, Al Gore should have won."  But, they still mostly recite his words.
     I guess your saying that if the media hadn't pounced on Popies words then the Muslims wouldn't have shot the nun in Somlia.
     I guess so, only because they wouldn't have heard it. I guess we wouldn't have taken out the Taliban if they hadn't shown Osama taking credit, and we wouldn't hate the Muslims as bad if they hadn't shown them dancing and handing out candy the day our towers fell and 3000 people died.

     Bottom line is incompatible societies. The press cannot change that no matter how many human interest stories they run.
Canadian_Sniper_X
Member
+45|6734|Kamloops, BC Canada
Incompatible religion is the problem, and religion will never go away. Therefore, the problem will never go away.

Unless we all become atheists.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6900|United States of America

CameronPoe wrote:

"Western media and state institutions demonise muslims as much as North African/Arab/Persian/Pakistani media and state institutions demonise westerners. As such all us westerners get tarred/generalised as pro-Israeli-terror, anti-muslim, imperialist oppressors and all middle easterners get tarred/generalised as suicidal, homicidal, misogynistic, god-obsessed barbarians. Therein lies a fundamental problem and barrier to understanding, coexistence and peaceful resolution of issues.
Are you suggesting that we deny reality to achieve peace?????  Name all these peaceful countries in the Middle East.  Last I looked most Islamic countries couldn't even get along with each other, let alone the rest of the world.  Hell even within some countries you have massive tribal warfare going on over religion, and that is within the SAME religion.  Islamic law not barbaric????  Islamic ran countries/governments not god-obsessed????  And yes, most people with common sense are pro-Israel since they are the ones constantly being attacked and if the Mooslims would leave them alone in their tiny ass country there would be no problem.     

What fucking planet do you live on???? 

Sorry, but in my Hemisphere countries aren't attacking their neighbors on a yearly basis.  Sorry, but in my country the Mormons don't attack the Catholics, that don't attack the Jews, that don't attack the Muslims.  Sorry, but in my country you can belong to any religion you want and have the same rights as the person standing next to you.  Why do you think so many people from the middle east come to "the west" and not vice versa?????  hmmmm, maybe America (or the west in general) is not the problem.

Liberals are in such denial of reality. 

Tell me why you can not handle the truth, comprehend the obvious, see reality, or be honest with yourself?????  Are Liberals just that stupid????
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6774|Global Command

CameronPoe wrote:

"Western media and state institutions demonise muslims as much as North African/Arab/Persian/Pakistani media and state institutions demonise westerners. As such all us westerners get tarred/generalised as pro-Israeli-terror, anti-muslim, imperialist oppressors and all middle easterners get tarred/generalised as suicidal, homicidal, misogynistic, god-obsessed barbarians. Therein lies a fundamental problem and barrier to understanding, coexistence and peaceful resolution of issues."

Discuss....

PS Hasta luego muchachos. Voy a Cuba para dos semanas mañana. Espero que todo estará bien en el forum hasta mi regreso y leeré sus respuestas entonces. Viva la revolución! Hasta la victoría siempre!!
Oh, btw, I see that myself and Lowing were your favorite victims in the match.
You commies be ready for a rematch when Cam gets back from worshiping Castro.
IRONCHEF
Member
+385|6736|Northern California

ATG wrote:

Bottom line is incompatible societies. The press cannot change that no matter how many human interest stories they run.
You "misunderestimate" the power of propaganda.  See FOX "News" for a perfect example of propaganda.  Notice the time spent destroying people who don't agree with Bush vs. the time they are objectionable (yet still favorable and kind to) towards the Bush administration.  Just watch Hannity, Cavuto, and O'Reilly and then compare them to others with similar programming who have more fair and balanced views like Scarborough (who is decidedly repub but is not afraid to tell the truth...ie., "Is Bush Stupid?"), Anderson Cooper (sure he rambles and does his job, but he presents both sides), Tim Russert (evenly praises and condemns both sides).

Surely you can see the Propaganda efforts of Fox (Rupert Murdoch & Co.).  If you can't, then you are truly in their grips and really have no good opinion towards this topic.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2006-09-20 15:59:23)

Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6900|United States of America

IRONCHEF wrote:

ATG wrote:

Bottom line is incompatible societies. The press cannot change that no matter how many human interest stories they run.
You "misunderestimate" the power of propaganda.  See FOX "News" for a perfect example of propaganda.  Notice the time spent destroying people who don't agree with Bush vs. the time they are objectionable (yet still favorable and kind to) towards the Bush administration.  Just watch Hannity, Cavuto, and O'Reilly and then compare them to others with similar programming who have more fair and balanced views like Scarborough (who is decidedly repub but is not afraid to tell the truth...ie., "Is Bush Stupid?"), Anderson Cooper (sure he rambles and does his job, but he presents both sides), Tim Russert (evenly praises and condemns both sides).

Surely you can see the Propaganda efforts of Fox (Rupert Murdoch & Co.).  If you can't, then you are truly in their grips and really have no good opinion towards this topic.
By you definition of propaganda all news station MUST GIVE EQUAL CREDABILITY to both sides of an issue.  Lies must me treated as truth, honesty the same a deception, values the same as evilness.  Nazis would love the world to be like that but.......

It pisses me off when reporters act like a robot and don't ask sensible questions of people when they are obviously lying or deceiving people.  Politicians love it when they can be on both sides of an issue at election time, they get votes on both sides of the issue.  I want my news reporter to report when that is going on.  I like news that doesn't give a pass to people playing politics with my country.  (see the "Republicans are bringing back the draft" news reports when it was the Democrats trying to bring it to a vote)  Fox News would be a nonissue if the Democratic Politicians weren't so stupid and dishonest, fact is they just always got a pass with their lies before Fox News decided to report them.

You Decide
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7003|Argentina

CameronPoe wrote:

"Western media and state institutions demonise muslims as much as North African/Arab/Persian/Pakistani media and state institutions demonise westerners. As such all us westerners get tarred/generalised as pro-Israeli-terror, anti-muslim, imperialist oppressors and all middle easterners get tarred/generalised as suicidal, homicidal, misogynistic, god-obsessed barbarians. Therein lies a fundamental problem and barrier to understanding, coexistence and peaceful resolution of issues."

Discuss....

PS Hasta luego muchachos. Voy a Cuba para dos semanas mañana. Espero que todo estará bien en el forum hasta mi regreso y leeré sus respuestas entonces. Viva la revolución! Hasta la victoría siempre!!
Buen viaje amigo y no te tientes con unirte al partido.  No cruces esa linea por favor.  Si te queres divertir con algo buscate alguna morocha de esas culonas y dale para que tenga.

Translation: Have a nice trip my friend and don't get tempted with joining the party.  Don't cross that line.  If you wanna have some fun get yourself one nice cuban girl with a big ass and give her what she wants.
C01d Fusion
Member
+7|6766
I got as far as "Western state and state..." decided im too lazy to read
Rosse_modest
Member
+76|7021|Antwerp, Flanders

CameronPoe wrote:

"Western media and state institutions demonise muslims as much as North African/Arab/Persian/Pakistani media and state institutions demonise westerners. As such all us westerners get tarred/generalised as pro-Israeli-terror, anti-muslim, imperialist oppressors and all middle easterners get tarred/generalised as suicidal, homicidal, misogynistic, god-obsessed barbarians. Therein lies a fundamental problem and barrier to understanding, coexistence and peaceful resolution of issues."

Discuss....

PS Hasta luego muchachos. Voy a Cuba para dos semanas mañana. Espero que todo estará bien en el forum hasta mi regreso y leeré sus respuestas entonces. Viva la revolución! Hasta la victoría siempre!!
Enjoy your vacation.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6787|Texas - Bigger than France
Have fun in Cuba Cam.  I hope you don't have it ruined by hurricane season.  Please take some pics and post 'em.

And in jest: There's easier ways to get into the US then on a raft to Miami.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6807

IRONCHEF wrote:

My opinion is that we let north and south take over and let east and west go away.
Oh, I wouldn't do that.  You Americans aren't used to being ruled over, and us Aussies will kick your smooth, supple asses.
Major_Spittle
Banned
+276|6900|United States of America

Bubbalo wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

My opinion is that we let north and south take over and let east and west go away.
Oh, I wouldn't do that.  You Americans aren't used to being ruled over, and us Aussies will kick your smooth, supple asses.
We don't allow our asses to be kicked in this country, that's how we keep them so smooth and supple......  Well that and baby oil.
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|6988|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
I wouldn't use the ol "muchachos" too much there for your own good, "amigo" is much more preferable

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