BF2S Forums Is the US car industry doomed?

Kmarion wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Theres an American car industry?? jking

"We started the industry, we will adapt like always." - Kmarion

The automobile powered by the Otto gasoline engine was invented in Germany by Karl Benz in 1885. Before making statements like that learn the truth. Heres somewhere to start http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile

Yes that is a fact, but the point in his statement that you simply missed, is that the Automobile industry was started in the US of A. The large-scale, production-line manufacturing of affordable automobiles was debuted by Ransom Eli Olds at his Oldsmobile factory in 1902, later adopted by Mr. Henry Ford. As by definition Industry is The tendency to work persistently, the market was born here in the US. Simple fact, don't get your panties in a wad. The US Auto Industry is on shaky ground, concerning GM and less notably Ford, however Daimler-Chrysler is doing just fine, as well as Panoz, Saleen, etc., etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford

QFT

Then if you want to say something kmarion say it correctly, America didnt start the automotive industry - fact. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry if you dont understand the meaning of industry thats fine but atleast in future go look up the meaning so you dont spout more rubbish, America did revolutionise the automotive industry with assembly lines - fact.

Okay, guys. Maybe you stop flaming eachother about "Who made the first car and started car industry?" and come back on topic about US car industry?
Here is the list of top 10 cars sold in the US: (Jan 2006 - June 2006)

1. Ford F-Series (- 13%);
2. Chevrolet Silverado (- 17%);
3. Toyota Camry (1%);
4. Toyota Corolla (16%);
5. Honda Accord (- 3%);
6. Dodge Ram (- 12%);
7. Honda Civic (11%);
8. Chevrolet Impala (23%);
9. Chevrolet Cobalt (10%);
10. Nissan Altima (- 13%)

The percentage to the right is the growth of the sales if certain model compared to the same period of the previous year.
I was quite surprised when I saw Ford F-Series at the top. But I guess it's just an American tradition of having a huge gas absorbing ride.
But the gas prices seem to be affecting customer's choice dramatically. You can see the sales of pick-up trucks and SUV's going down 13-17%, while compact cars like Toyota Corolla and Honda Civic are becoming more and more popular.

Wasder wrote:

I was quite surprised when I saw Ford F-Series at the top..

Actually most of the commercial trucks in this country are Ford's. They are used for business.

Last edited by Kmarion (2006-09-12 11:17:18)

Kmarion wrote:

It's understandable for you to be so hostile IG-Calibre. I would be too if the only thing my country produced was whiskey and potatoes. I perceive the production of millions of autos as when the real industry began. You don't have to agree with me but when you make statement's like " Haha it's like arguing with idiots " it only makes you look like an abused step child. Just say I'm wrong your right and leave it at that.

The simple fact is it isnt the start of the industry, FACT, industry is an exact term, it isnt debatable.

To the OP: Between the shackles of unrealistic pension plans and an utter failure to compete, yes, the American car industry is in trouble.

Yet again you bypass the spirit and message of a post and go straight for literal aspects of certain elements therein.  Not only that, but you do it after debating what you claim can not be debated.

I'll clarify, as it seems to be increasingly necessary.  I did not state that the definition of what industry is what is being debated.  I stated that the point at which something it defined as an industry is.  Furthermore, if I DID care to assert that the definition is debatable, it would be an easy platform to defend as the definitions of words have always and will always change over time.  This change implies a revision is being made.  A revision must be sparked by a desire to change the present incarnation, or even a debate if you will as to the present context.

Consider the above when you use the words laser, fag, or imp to name a few.  Not to mention there is an entire scientific branch dedicated to the study of words and what they mean.  Etymology.

Kmarion wrote:

It's understandable for you to be so hostile IG-Calibre. I would be too if the only thing my country produced was whiskey and potatoes. I perceive the production of millions of autos as when the real industry began. You don't have to agree with me but when you make statement's like " Haha it's like arguing with idiots " it only makes you look like an abused step child. Just say I'm wrong your right and leave it at that.

It's not a question of me agreeing with you, but i'm glad that you accept that i'm right and you're wrong - can't have Americans with this skewed sense of reality that seems to be prevalent on this board, like - "we started the car industry" or "we invented the TV" or "we invented vaccination" etc etc.. next you will be saying that world war 2 in Europe would of been lost without your intervention  ffs..



















*and before you jump down my fucking throat the latter part is a joke, and Whiskey is the best drink in the world, maybe when your old enough someday you'll get to try it..

Damned riceburners. I'm getting pissed as American cars not being muscle cars anymore. They're collectable, baby! Beautiful, and powerful in performance automobiles are for the win. Mustangs, Camaros, Corvettes, Chargers, Vipers, Saleen cars, and those by Shelby rock. I can't speak for all of them, but wow.

Back on arguing- Television was available in United States and United Kingdom prior to World War II, but no exact date so that one's a draw.

PuckMercury wrote:

Yet again you bypass the spirit and message of a post and go straight for literal aspects of certain elements therein.  Not only that, but you do it after debating what you claim can not be debated.

I'll clarify, as it seems to be increasingly necessary.  I did not state that the definition of what industry is what is being debated.  I stated that the point at which something it defined as an industry is.  Furthermore, if I DID care to assert that the definition is debatable, it would be an easy platform to defend as the definitions of words have always and will always change over time.  This change implies a revision is being made.  A revision must be sparked by a desire to change the present incarnation, or even a debate if you will as to the present context.

Consider the above when you use the words laser, fag, or imp to name a few.  Not to mention there is an entire scientific branch dedicated to the study of words and what they mean.  Etymology.

Yes a revision is being made by you, someone who clearly has little experience with business studies or economics. As the facts stand America did not start the automotive industry please accept this.

BTW laser is an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation, its meaning has never changed.

I know what LASER was an acronym for.  Laser (note not capitalized) is not an acronym, and is a word which evolved out of that acronym.

While I appreciate the power and respect you give me with the ability to change the definition of words, I must concede that it is not I but a society and culture which determines that.  And will continue to do so.  Language is dynamic and as such is subject to constant scrutiny and debate.

Vilham wrote:

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

They will die soon because people are seeing the all-around superiority of Japanese cars.

QFT

We saw that in the mid 80's guess what happened?

PuckMercury wrote:

I doubt it, but I do believe he knows quite well the answer - which is Ireland, yes.  The DeLorean was actually quite a good car, it was just rocked by too much politics and its creator suffered too many scandals.  Namely being accused of cocaine trafficing.

good lord they blow ass, they can corner alright but are riddled with electrical problems (the one that I drove had caught on fire twice) and were too gimmicky, the trim and shit falling apart all the time, and it's not like you can just walk up to pep boys and pick up a spare flux capacitor any time you wanted, it's single biggest failure was the Renault 4 cyl, something like 1.3 liters, when delorean wanted to use one of his pontiacs 400 cu in units, the car was light enough that 4 or 5 of us could pick it up to put blocks under it, but you couldn't pull a wheel for shit

oh and john delorean was a former GM big cheese, responsible for the GTO if I remember correctly


on topic, I believe that the unions are killing the US manufacturers, their most profitable competition are not unionized (or at least haven't allowed the unions to grab them by the scrotum), nor are their employees being whipped daily for not completing their quotas, despite not having the protection of a union rep. Last I heard GM has about twice as much union kickbacks a benefits slushfunding in each car as it has steel, my town has seen several unionized industries pack up and leave for 2 reasons,
A) the mayor and such were too fucking lazy/dumb/incompetent to offer them enough incentive to stay
B) the unions had legislated so much cost into the products, that it was simply cheaper for them to move the industries elsewhere, making the same product, at the same price, with a higher profit margin

Last edited by kr@cker (2006-09-12 17:19:34)