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2006-09-11 23:44:11
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

R3v4n wrote:

Did you know that shooting the Helo with the M95 will take off 1 bar of health, just last night my team downed a helo as a squad of snipers the helo was strafing the arty island and all six of us opened up on it, it was on fire in no time.  can a squad of assault do that?, or medic?, or spec ops? i think not. .
Try one intelligent player on a .50 cal, or an intelligent AA vehicle user, or a halfway near decent jet pilot. That works too. You don't need 6 snipers to open up on it. And for a helo to be downed by  M95 shots = that takes close to 4 x shots EACH sniper (assuming your squad of 6). Put this way, commander wasn't doing his job, helo pilot couldn't have been very decent/terrible gunner etc. Furthermore 6 snipers? That's 6 men less to cap flags.


R3v4n wrote:

Have you actually seen two snipers work together? as a TEAM? They communicate. They can pin the enemy, they can strike at moral, sure there are people that cant sniper but there are also people that cant fly, they learn.
There is no such thing as 'morale' here. You respawn in 15 seconds. A pair of electric defribillators bring you back from the worse of injuries. Fuck morale. Believe me, I've seen the BEST of snipers work together. I've seen 3 snipers that were SO accurate that they decimated squad after squad trying to run in to a flag. And in 'decimate' I mean ANNIHILATE. These snipers were simply SVD gods. I remember clearly charging up the hill to suburbs, before we could find cover the 3 snipers on the roof of the flag took out half the squad, and cleaned up the rest in the next 2 seconds. But snipers like these are few and far between. There are always exceptions to the cause, and this is one of them. On the overall I can confidently say these are one in a million.

R3v4n wrote:

And you bearz have 134 hours as sniper, but 80% vehicle whorage?  wtf?
And I can confidently tell you all 134 hours were spent in an aerial vehicle. Simply because of the presence of the M95, or when I load into a map first, I choose a redundant class that I will not likely play.

R3v4n wrote:

Sniper's jobs are the same in bf2 as they are in RL, its the team work that every one needs, we need to learn to work with the sniper. as the snipers works with us.
And therein I don't see the need to argue with you I concede, yes, a wonderful sniper can be a deadly force, but these experts are extremely hard to find. I would prefer a n00b 'bobo shooter' who's willing to follow us, act as a meatshield during firefights, just be there to throw the precious med pack, just be in the flag capture radius to actually shorten the time required to capture it, than to have a sniper taking potshots from a far off area, away from the rest of the team.
2006-09-11 23:47:15
{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad
Member
+1|7201|Appleton, WI
WOW.  Some of you guys need to take a break from this game and go get laid or something.  Some of you probably need to pay for it, but please, at least TRY.
2006-09-11 23:48:22
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad wrote:

WOW.  Some of you guys need to take a break from this game and go get laid or something.  Some of you probably need to pay for it, but please, at least TRY.
I will desist from flaming and personally attacking you simply because you registered a day before my birthday
2006-09-11 23:48:27
ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE
oh hai :D
+156|7100|The Netherlands

greenhaven wrote:

I think it is time that EA/Dice remove useless players once and for all. First off, if you're playing Karkand, you're playing Medic. The only reason people play sniper on Kark is when they want the claymores.
not true
2006-09-11 23:49:37
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

ReDmAn_ThE_uNiQuE wrote:

greenhaven wrote:

I think it is time that EA/Dice remove useless players once and for all. First off, if you're playing Karkand, you're playing Medic. The only reason people play sniper on Kark is when they want the claymores.
not true
80% of your time in karkand. Yup, you would know.
2006-09-11 23:56:32
{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad
Member
+1|7201|Appleton, WI

polarbearz wrote:

I will desist from flaming and personally attacking you simply because you registered a day before my birthday
I'm hoping you're not refering to me as your b-day present, LOL  J/K
And thanks for restraining youself.  See, my attack was on the general public.  I didn't want to single anyone out.  HEH.
2006-09-12 00:57:12
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad wrote:

polarbearz wrote:

I will desist from flaming and personally attacking you simply because you registered a day before my birthday
I'm hoping you're not refering to me as your b-day present, LOL  J/K
And thanks for restraining youself.  See, my attack was on the general public.  I didn't want to single anyone out.  HEH.
Mmmmm that works too, you've encapsulated an awesome argument in a simple phrase.

Get Laid, Bitches...

... already
2006-09-12 01:07:54
Lucien
Fantasma Parastasie
+1,451|7101
Ah you lose your -karma when someone +'es you, PB.

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2006-09-12 01:12:12
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

SargeV1.4 wrote:

Ah you lose your -karma when someone +'es you, PB.

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Yes, I do, asshole

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2006-09-12 03:16:42
Twist
Too old to be doing this sh*t
+103|6972|Little blue planet, milky way
Well, it DOES depend on the map.... Some maps are more suited for snipers than others. You CAN get decent poitns as a claymore whore or decent sniper on a PUB Karkand server, because there are LOADS of shitheads playing the game, who just run anywhere....

For the MONEY... Then you KNOW that you will NOT inflict a ticket loss with a claymore, because if you CANT kill the medic who revives the "front runner", then it's 2-2 in points, and you're down a claymore, and worst case, the enemy is breaking through the lines, and you end up in close combat with a rifle that fires one shot every 3-4 seconds. Basically, you're dead meat... I've seen some decent SVD gunners on Karkand, but they ARE truly few and far between.

Then there's the armor consideration. You can't do jack against armor as a sniper. Karkand has loads of armor, even the small map has too much.

Then there's the amount of players. "Prize fights" are usually 3-3 or sometimes as much as 8-8. But never 32-32. So there's not a lot of targets for a sniper. Sure on a small map you may be able to better tackle multiples flag defending as a sniper, but Karkand isn't one of those maps.
2006-09-12 03:56:18
Marinejuana
local
+415|7034|Seattle
With 6 person teams and 16 player sized maps you would be insane to have a sniper on your team (eg. 15% less flag capping, reviving or resupplying).

I could be wrong on this, but on average, despite the high KDs that some snipers have, they have lower KPM than other infantry like assault, medic, or support.

The sniper kit is the ideal and most powerful kit for breaking stalemates if you can pop those heads with it fast. Any time you find both teams camping each other to death, when charging the lines means suicide (and frequently when your team has either already won or lost the war as a whole), by selecting sniper you can quickly clear a horizon of camping noobs so that it becomes possible for your team to advance. This is especially true in scenarios on jalalabad, karkand, and mashtuur. The only problem with choosing it is that once you have cleared the way and are going to cross the bridge, or what have you, you have to look for a decent kit to pick up so that you can actually help your team capture the flag.

Unless you can hit everything you go for as a sniper, stop wasting everyones time and help out as a medic or support. (And I know you probably can't so just go medic).
2006-09-12 08:23:49
greenhaven
Member
+47|6914

R3v4n wrote:

Did you know that shooting the Helo with the M95 will take off 1 bar of health, just last night my team downed a helo as a squad of snipers the helo was strafing the arty island and all six of us opened up on it, it was on fire in no time.  can a squad of assault do that?, or medic?, or spec ops? i think not.  Have you actually seen two snipers work together? as a TEAM? They communicate. They can pin the enemy, they can strike at moral, sure there are people that cant sniper but there are also people that cant fly, they learn.  And you bearz have 134 hours as sniper, but 80% vehicle whorage?  wtf?

Sniper's jobs are the same in bf2 as they are in RL, its the team work that every one needs, we need to learn to work with the sniper. as the snipers works with us.
Actually a support guy with a PKM can down an attack helo, I've done it before. But your point still stands.
2006-09-12 08:28:00
scouseclarky
Member
+10|7030
Unless you can hit everything you go for as a sniper, stop wasting everyones time and help out as a medic or support. (And I know you probably can't so just go medic).

just to clear this up i don't play sniper much anymore i play medic now to get the time i need then i will play another kit. i don't fly much and i don't use Armour as for hitting everything i shoot at

as a sniper my accuracy is 46.91% i wouldn't call that bad in out of the 120 hours i have used it as and i can hit a target running across the map so just so u know that means that for roughly every 2 shots i fire 1 hits its target.

on this discussion however i guess we will have to agree to disagree as no one will change there opinion and they shouldn't have to, but we will be here all year arguing this
2006-09-12 08:30:28
Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6938|Gogledd Cymru

BolvisOculus wrote:

dont_be_ss wrote:

BolvisOculus wrote:

There should absolutly never be a one shot kill weapon in BF2.  It would be the worst thing implemented.  You would have 70% of the comunity running around with the M95 because they know if they can get the first shot in, they get a kill.  People would be running around only being sniper.  If you've ever played CS or perhaps Halo, then you know how bad a one hit kill weapon would imbalence the game.  There are plenty of things to ask to be added or changed, but a 1-hit-kill weapon is not one of them.
but it works good in poe2
But in POE2,  one person can have the sniper rifle, if this was the case (and everyone wasn't scrambling to get it, I'll go back to the Halo reference here) it would be fine, but the fact that anyone over 500 points can have a one shot kill sniper, well, everyone above 500 points WOULD have it.  See the difference?
Maybe they should give unlocks to players with expert stats eg expert snipers get a one shot kill sniper, spec ops get extra c4 so karkand isnt turned into a sniper freny wid evry1 having a one shot kill gun, this would make it harder to get

Edit : oh btw just got my expert sniper three days ago so dont say i dont know shit bout snipers

Last edited by surgeon_bond (2006-09-12 08:35:31)

2006-09-12 08:32:28
staticblue
Vindicator
+28|7184|Houston, TX

allfive6 wrote:

No snipers when money is on the line. On the weekend I went to a BF2 tournament in town. I did not find out about the thing in time to get a team together but I thought it would be nice to watch. So there’s about 12 teams of 6 and top prize 500$ not much
Split 6 ways but whatever. So I am there watching and I noticed there are some pretty good players I have seen some of them online before but I also noticed no one is playing sniper so I move around looking at the players screen and sure enough no one is playing sniper even on Karkand. So I thought how odd then I heard someone say something to one of this team mates “why are you a sniper” I look at his screen and sure enough he was a sniper and he said sorry clicked the wrong kit. I just find it so funny that when money is on the line no one plays sniper yet all other kits are there. Could it be because even players who use the sniper kit know it is useless? I think it is time EA and Dice removed this useless kit once and for all.
6v6 on 16 player maps. Yea, sniping probably not a good idea. Common sense really. You only have 6 targets that are going to be constantly on the move. Your better of running as a medic.
2006-09-12 09:28:33
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|7075|Warlord
Oh lookit, it's a post from our resident sniper-hater troll.

allfive6 wrote:

No snipers when money is on the line.... So I am there watching and I noticed there are some pretty good players I have seen some of them online...
The reason none of them went sniper is that none of them is good enough at sniping.

allfive6 wrote:

Could it be because even players who use the sniper kit know it is useless? I think it is time EA and Dice removed this useless kit once and for all.
Yeah, whatever you console yourself with when you go to sleep sucking your thumb. Just because you can't use the kit worth a damn allfive6/James{CAN} doesn't mean other people have the same limitation:

https://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4683/screen087uk2.jpg

We lost the match above because the two guys left alive here, both armed with automatic weapons, couldn't cap one flag between them! BTW I wasn't killed by the enemy, I'm dead because I fell off the roof while trying to get angle on a flag capper.

https://img176.imageshack.us/img176/5786/screen093db9.jpg

https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/4475/wake1074118jd3.jpg

https://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6691/wake1074118bkj6.jpg

https://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4161/screen124tj9.jpg

I gave up 4 tickets this match, which lasted 30-40 minutes. I also prevented at least 20 flag caps. Let's see you do the same, on foot, in any kit.

https://img124.imageshack.us/img124/5606/screen128yo9.jpg

https://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4402/sharqi1044317wq0.jpg

https://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5863/sharqi1044317bqz1.jpg

https://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6668/screen131bd5.jpg

https://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9356/screen147sx2.jpg

Incidentally, the guy above me? He was playing sniper too; I had most flag defends, 11. So yeah, snipers sooo didn't help this team win.
2006-09-12 09:36:09
Chou
Member
+737|7239

iNeedUrFace4Soup wrote:

Snipers can be devastating if you know how to be strategic with them.
That's the reason why they are so hated
2006-09-12 09:36:25
dont_be_ss
Member
+312|7042|selby, n. yorkshire, UK

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

dont_be_ss wrote:

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

should be no snipers money or not..useless shit kit.
TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?

do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
do you have 1 person in your clan that is good at anything else besides sniping? I dont think so. You see we like to play every part of the game except just one boring part of it. Your a 1lt and you have like 350 kills with a AR and 600 deaths. You call us shit, we would just keep reviving eachother through your fields of claymores and get up close and personal, then i'd shock paddle your defenseless self. Were not "obsessed with smurfs" its just a name we use for the useless on bf2, kind of like you and the rest of your clan, excluding tushers. And i bet and your brother fight at the dinner table over who is the best sniper.
yes we do

http://bf2s.com/player/46828505/
http://bf2s.com/player/48337387/
http://bf2s.com/player/59401402/

do i think i'm the best sniper? i know there is many guys out there who are a lot better than me at sniping, when did i say i was the best?

and i don't use claymores if you looked at my stats properly, 90% of your clan are big headed arse holes!

Last edited by dont_be_ss (2006-09-12 09:53:35)

2006-09-12 09:51:43
Simon
basically
+838|7106|UK
Sniping is fun.
Medic is fun.
Assault is fun.
Engineer is fun.
Spec Ops is fun.
Anti Tank is fun.

The Game is fun.

You get the point ? THE GAME IS FUN IN WHATEVER WAY YOU CHOOSE.
PLAY WHATEVER KIT YOU WANT AND WHATEVER MAP YOU WANT.
2006-09-12 09:52:53
FFLink
There is.
+1,380|7139|Devon, England

polarbearz wrote:

{RR}SinisterCaesarSalad wrote:

WOW.  Some of you guys need to take a break from this game and go get laid or something.  Some of you probably need to pay for it, but please, at least TRY.
I will desist from flaming and personally attacking you simply because you registered a day before my birthday
i won't

please, leave now... salad.

your obviously a prick from what you've jsut said, so i'll leave away the part where i tell you about how and why your a prick. do not attempt to insult someone with insults along the line of "have sex". it does not make you sound like a stud. it does not make you cool. i does not get you laughs. it does get you the title of "prick" and many more insulting names from various other people with sense.

in short, fuck off.
2006-09-12 10:13:39
VeNg3nCe^
¦Tactics Øver Principles¦
+314|7154|Antarctica
lol @ all the sniper fanboys in this thread.  Ask ANY top league team, 20ID, Warchild, Code7, (if they still play) etc.  Compared to medic in a competetive game, snipers are a wasted slot.  There is no way that a sniper can do as much as another medic in a 5v5 or 8v8.
2006-09-12 10:43:49
inhumane_assailant
Member
+3|7132|england

polarbearz wrote:

scouseclarky wrote:

yeah show how much u know.
1) the commander didnt use spots only uav where HE was fighting.
2) the squad leader was in a helo and the top players at the end of the round were the players in my squad i had spotted for.
3) i dont care if i only got a few points my team won
4) if u think snipers are useless u should ask [SAF] clan how thwy won a enemydown ranked match with all the spawn points gone the tickets dropping down and only 1 player let who happend to b a sniper.( because he was good enought to keep the enemy pinned down and kill a few of them long enought for the tickets to run out awardibg them the win
5)how do u work out that running across the map spotting targets for my team is sitting on my arse doing jack shit i even managed to cap a flag. how many targets do u spot for your team or are you one of these players that think it's someone elses responsibility.
1. Your commander was a dumbfuck, so are you for not doing anything about it. Spotting is his job, not yours. So don't ask me 'how much I know'.

2. Create a new squad. And 'you spotted for'? Maybe they were just better players than your sorry ass/

3. Yeah maybe if you got more points and did more to help your team would've won faster/by more.

4. [SAF] clan? So what the fuck have they won to date? For people who know me I've won more from competitive play (JUST bf2 only) than you can DREAM of, so don't tell me what goes and what doesn't go. For someone who doesn't even play scrims, no experience in competitive play etc., stfu, go watch a competition or something,

5. You didn't say anything about capping flags, and yes, I spot, regularly, even while fighting on the frontlines, thus contributing more than you.
OMG I CANT TAKE READING UR SAD PERFETIC INTERNET EGO POSTS ANY LONGER.

you my friend (well hardly a friend) are an idiot. YES U ARE! stop making your self sound so good because this is the internet you cant see me or touch me so im going to say fuck lots and sound sooooooo coool and people will fearrrr me because i will put everyone down.

People complain about things they cant deal with, snipers are part of the game. They dont do huge amount of damage but they can still prevent a team from winning. I can tell you arethe sort who keeps getting snipered or claymored in the same place and just keeps gouing there because you cant be bothered to walk around and be tactical, you would rather run in there with your ak and spray all over the place and noob tube them. I bet you where angry when they stoped the dolphin diving hey?

I do not beleive in the spamming of the claymores but i can deal with it because i use my intelegence to get around them!!! If you dont have the mental copacity to deal with simple problems such as theese then you should not be playing, people like you ruin the game with your selfish attitude. I know non of what i am saying will go in because you will probly only read the first sentence and fill your post with swear words and insults of how im a noob. Although i do not have the best stats in the world i quite oftern come in the top 3 players in the round because i use tactics and think about what i am doing in the game. I dont spawn camp or vechile hore. If i see a chopper i will take it beacause i know i have a good chance of staying alive for the majority of the game as long as my gunner is good. If i die, o well. I serpose you would say FUCKING NOOB STINGER. Lame, go get a life seriously.
2006-09-12 11:03:25
iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|6978|Belgium
Snipers = Defenders

Thats why people dont think theyre handy, because theyre usually pointwhore medics that are focused only to their front.
Thats why snipers pwn medics.

Watch your six.
2006-09-12 11:04:52
Jemme101
M24 Abuser
+99|6949|Valley of the Dragons

VeNg3nCe^ wrote:

lol @ all the sniper fanboys in this thread.  Ask ANY top league team, 20ID, Warchild, Code7, (if they still play) etc.  Compared to medic in a competetive game, snipers are a wasted slot.  There is no way that a sniper can do as much as another medic in a 5v5 or 8v8.
Funny I keep getting asked to do some sniping on a regular base in scrims. The last couple of matches I even kept a 4 man squad at bay all by myself with the SVD.
2006-09-12 11:16:55
cheshiremoe
Evil Geniuses for a sparsely populated tomorrow
+50|7158
Most snipers are realy in-effective in a small match.  Very few snipers can go close quarters with more than one enemy at a time.  Shooting from the hip is really luck with the sniper rifles and scoping up limits mobility  to much.  Also a sniper in a good spot is a waist if there is nothing to shoot at.

Karkand is the poorist map to choose as an example of:

allfive6 wrote:

...sure enough no one is playing sniper even on Karkand...
particularly when your playing 5 or 6 per team on a 16 player map. 
Visibilty is only 75m witch removes the snipers one main functional killing range... everyone has the same visibility on karkand.
All buildings and streets, so the wookie camo makes you stand out like a big cactus. 
With few team mates to support you and fewer distractions for the other team it is easy to be spoted and killed because you can't spam clays with out extra ammo and you can't hide out of there range and still be effective.

As sniper is my favorit kit I have been effective in close combat, but that was luck, picking my battles and the other team being distracted by things like choppers or tanks attacking them.  I play 64 player maps most of the time and I like to play with at least 40 people witch is the same for all of the classes to a degree but being a good snipper (clays and granades not the primary mode of attack) takes a lot more practice in the short range.  To get a decent kdr with the sniper kit on foot you have to be able to do more drop clays infront of people.

Last edited by cheshiremoe (2006-09-12 11:37:14)

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