R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

R3v4n wrote:

dont_be_ss wrote:


TOP are shit also, and why are you so obsessed with smurfs?

do you have 1 person in your whole clan that can use the sniper kit well?
Most likely because they get pwned by so many snipers they hate them like the shit they pulled on Todd.  As for the smurfs thing i think its cause they mothers rejected them at birth so the cower to smurfs
nice .8k/d your a prime example of a smurf.
And you started out hitting every thing did you?

Or maybe thats an old account?, did you think of that or were you to busy watching the smurfs?

Also its not the stats that make the player, u need to actually play with them and see first hand how good they are.  So go back to the TV set and watch the smurfs u lonely boy.
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

scouseclarky wrote:

yeah show how much u know.
1) the commander didnt use spots only uav where HE was fighting.
2) the squad leader was in a helo and the top players at the end of the round were the players in my squad i had spotted for.
3) i dont care if i only got a few points my team won
4) if u think snipers are useless u should ask [SAF] clan how thwy won a enemydown ranked match with all the spawn points gone the tickets dropping down and only 1 player let who happend to b a sniper.( because he was good enought to keep the enemy pinned down and kill a few of them long enought for the tickets to run out awardibg them the win
5)how do u work out that running across the map spotting targets for my team is sitting on my arse doing jack shit i even managed to cap a flag. how many targets do u spot for your team or are you one of these players that think it's someone elses responsibility.
1. Your commander was a dumbfuck, so are you for not doing anything about it. Spotting is his job, not yours. So don't ask me 'how much I know'.

2. Create a new squad. And 'you spotted for'? Maybe they were just better players than your sorry ass/

3. Yeah maybe if you got more points and did more to help your team would've won faster/by more.

4. [SAF] clan? So what the fuck have they won to date? For people who know me I've won more from competitive play (JUST bf2 only) than you can DREAM of, so don't tell me what goes and what doesn't go. For someone who doesn't even play scrims, no experience in competitive play etc., stfu, go watch a competition or something,

5. You didn't say anything about capping flags, and yes, I spot, regularly, even while fighting on the frontlines, thus contributing more than you.
INFERNO552
One shot wonder
+62|6887|canada
ive heard this topic many times on this site and wether people like it or not there will always be snipers so stfu and let it be
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

polarbearz wrote:

scouseclarky wrote:

yeah show how much u know.
1) the commander didnt use spots only uav where HE was fighting.
2) the squad leader was in a helo and the top players at the end of the round were the players in my squad i had spotted for.
3) i dont care if i only got a few points my team won
4) if u think snipers are useless u should ask [SAF] clan how thwy won a enemydown ranked match with all the spawn points gone the tickets dropping down and only 1 player let who happend to b a sniper.( because he was good enought to keep the enemy pinned down and kill a few of them long enought for the tickets to run out awardibg them the win
5)how do u work out that running across the map spotting targets for my team is sitting on my arse doing jack shit i even managed to cap a flag. how many targets do u spot for your team or are you one of these players that think it's someone elses responsibility.
1. Your commander was a dumbfuck, so are you for not doing anything about it. Spotting is his job, not yours. So don't ask me 'how much I know'.

2. Create a new squad. And 'you spotted for'? Maybe they were just better players than your sorry ass/

3. Yeah maybe if you got more points and did more to help your team would've won faster/by more.

4. [SAF] clan? So what the fuck have they won to date? For people who know me I've won more from competitive play (JUST bf2 only) than you can DREAM of, so don't tell me what goes and what doesn't go. For someone who doesn't even play scrims, no experience in competitive play etc., stfu, go watch a competition or something,

5. You didn't say anything about capping flags, and yes, I spot, regularly, even while fighting on the frontlines, thus contributing more than you.
What about the Tag team snipers that hold back and entier team while spotting tanks and jeeps, intill the team arive for support?  how is that not been effective for there team?
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6941|Connecticut
The sniper kit is for team players who understand the concept of long range ground SUPPORT. A good sniper does not aim for the one shot head kill in the heat of battle, instead he should be aiming for center mass taking significant health away from the enemy so our assualt close quarters combat Marines can get easier and quicker kills. And that results in taking flags which believe it or not results in winning. If I am playing solo I seldomly go sniper but if Im playing with my friends and we are all on ventrillo, I go sniper and we own most of the time with a good medic and two good assualt players in the squad as well.
Malloy must go
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

R3v4n wrote:

What about the Tag team snipers that hold back and entier team while spotting tanks and jeeps, intill the team arive for support?  how is that not been effective for there team?
You're dreaming smurf. A tag team sniper duo is going to at most drop one or 2 guys who'll be promptly revived, the duo will have to back down under a hail of covering fire / grenades etc.

And tanks and jeeps can be spotted by anyone else, not just your lousy-ass tagteam sniper duo who'll lose to a accurate shot with the Assault Rifle, or even the LMG.

Go back to CS you little sniper-wannabe crybaby.
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

deeznutz1245 wrote:

The sniper kit is for team players who understand the concept of long range ground SUPPORT. A good sniper does not aim for the one shot head kill in the heat of battle, instead he should be aiming for center mass taking significant health away from the enemy so our assualt close quarters combat Marines can get easier and quicker kills. And that results in taking flags which believe it or not results in winning. If I am playing solo I seldomly go sniper but if Im playing with my friends and we are all on ventrillo, I go sniper and we own most of the time with a good medic and two good assualt players in the squad as well.
Exactly, how effective is an ausslt player at 5hp?
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
scouseclarky
Member
+10|7029

polarbearz wrote:

scouseclarky wrote:

yeah show how much u know.
1) the commander didnt use spots only uav where HE was fighting.
2) the squad leader was in a helo and the top players at the end of the round were the players in my squad i had spotted for.
3) i dont care if i only got a few points my team won
4) if u think snipers are useless u should ask [SAF] clan how thwy won a enemydown ranked match with all the spawn points gone the tickets dropping down and only 1 player let who happend to b a sniper.( because he was good enought to keep the enemy pinned down and kill a few of them long enought for the tickets to run out awardibg them the win
5)how do u work out that running across the map spotting targets for my team is sitting on my arse doing jack shit i even managed to cap a flag. how many targets do u spot for your team or are you one of these players that think it's someone elses responsibility.
1. Your commander was a dumbfuck, so are you for not doing anything about it. Spotting is his job, not yours. So don't ask me 'how much I know'.

2. Create a new squad. And 'you spotted for'? Maybe they were just better players than your sorry ass/

3. Yeah maybe if you got more points and did more to help your team would've won faster/by more.

4. [SAF] clan? So what the fuck have they won to date? For people who know me I've won more from competitive play (JUST bf2 only) than you can DREAM of, so don't tell me what goes and what doesn't go. For someone who doesn't even play scrims, no experience in competitive play etc., stfu, go watch a competition or something,

5. You didn't say anything about capping flags, and yes, I spot, regularly, even while fighting on the frontlines, thus contributing more than you.
i dont play scrims for them anymore coz assholes like you take the game far to seriously. maby they were better players than m. but i dont realy care if they were good for them.however im not a vehicle whore like u lets see out of 45,590 kills only 8,529 came from kit weapons the rest were armour jet and helo, o but u do have 1349 kills with the grenade launcher your kills as a sniper are shit yet u have expert so u prob used a vehicle or commander to get that.
2) u have played twice the ammount of hours as me but u only have just twice the flag defends (700) more. o and of the 875 hours spent playing 425 of them were in vehicles i tend to stick to foot i prefere it .
i may not be the best player in the world but im not a self centerd big headed fu@k who takes the game to seriously i play for fun when i get in from work o and in case u wonder what that is im a soldier i do it for real
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

polarbearz wrote:

R3v4n wrote:

What about the Tag team snipers that hold back and entier team while spotting tanks and jeeps, intill the team arive for support?  how is that not been effective for there team?
You're dreaming smurf. A tag team sniper duo is going to at most drop one or 2 guys who'll be promptly revived, the duo will have to back down under a hail of covering fire / grenades etc.

And tanks and jeeps can be spotted by anyone else, not just your lousy-ass tagteam sniper duo who'll lose to a accurate shot with the Assault Rifle, or even the LMG.

Go back to CS you little sniper-wannabe crybaby.
CS.... i shudder

Bearz can you tell me what the job of a Scout/Sniper is?
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7028|the dank(super) side of Oregon
sniper often seem useless because 90% of the people using the kit should not be.  Same thing applies to choppers and jets, the vast majority of players should not even be given the option.  I am often a sniper but only on certain maps under specific circumstances.

most tournaments are too small and too fast paced for snipers to be effective.  unless you spam claymores, and then you're just an asshole.
scouseclarky
Member
+10|7029
he couldnt tell u the role of a scout/sniper if 1 hit him with a laser designator
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6941|Connecticut

R3v4n wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

The sniper kit is for team players who understand the concept of long range ground SUPPORT. A good sniper does not aim for the one shot head kill in the heat of battle, instead he should be aiming for center mass taking significant health away from the enemy so our assualt close quarters combat Marines can get easier and quicker kills. And that results in taking flags which believe it or not results in winning. If I am playing solo I seldomly go sniper but if Im playing with my friends and we are all on ventrillo, I go sniper and we own most of the time with a good medic and two good assualt players in the squad as well.
Exactly, how effective is an ausslt player at 5hp?
Well we could argue this forever but if the real Marines still use snipers( and I think they know what they're doing), then why wouldnt a  sniper who is used properly help his team in BF2? I know its comparing apples and oranges but the concept is still the same.
Malloy must go
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

scouseclarky wrote:

he couldnt tell u the role of a scout/sniper if 1 hit him with a laser designator
Agreed,

A Main Role is to Install Fear into the Enemy, what do you do when you get hit by a sniper rifle u run, u find a med pack.  And the duo one kills the soldier then the other kills the stupid medic crouching to revive him in the middel of the field.

Also how is taking out a chopper or jet not helping the team win the match?

I dont know how meny times i have seen noobs open up with  a LMG or ausslt rifle on a heli, wtf... yet if u put a bullet into the heli u take out 10hp, u put a bullet into the heli piolet and the heli is screwed for 3 minutes alowing the team to oush forward.

so hwo is that sniper above not helping the team?

Last edited by R3v4n (2006-09-11 19:52:37)

~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
scouseclarky
Member
+10|7029
just so you know polarbearz the role of the scout/sniper on the modern day battle field is as a sergical strike unit by
1)eliminating key personel ie officers, radio opperators,  nco's, and equiptment specialists
2) observing and rporting all enemy activity in there area of operations
3) taking out key equiptment ie jets helos aa misile systems and generators this is usualy done with a barret .50 or m95 as it is called in bf2
4) laser designating targets for airstrike( laser guided bombs need to have the target "painted with a laser designater"in order to actually hit the target)
5) demoralise enemy forces by using hit and run tactics
6)pin down enemy troops
7)disrupt communications and supplys

the list goes on
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7237|Singapore

Sigh, yes, that's IN REAL LIFE. Where you have 800 troops to every one sniper team, and a jet can take out an entire city.

But back to bf2. How effectively can you snipe a pilot out of chopper when the chopper is circlestrafing a point and raining death? = Zero times. I've never seen it done before, and it can't be done.

'And the duo one kills the soldier then the other kills the stupid medic crouching to revive him in the middel of the field.' - Yes, MAYBE if they were that accurate, they could decimate a squad that way. But they're few and far between, and between the two of you, I don't think either of you are that accurate. By accurate I mean let them bunny hop, let them dolphin dive, you'll hit them anyway. But I highly doubt either of you can, so you guys whine about nerfing this and that, making infantry combat slow as HELL, and making all you snipers who can hit something now think you're something great.

Furhtermore. BF2 = About flags. One man less at a flag means the few precious seconds I takes to neutralize it is lost. Maybe this is more true competitively than publicly, but I stick by my guns.
greenhaven
Member
+47|6913
Fine, stick to your guns. Heck, I play medic most of the time. But why do we have to have these arguments. People should play whatever kit they want, medic, sniper, assault, or anything else. You like planes? Fly them, but don't be an asshole to someone who doesn't like them.
sneakers-n-ointment
Member
+8|6907|chicago
Dude, I'm a tol nub and on wide open maps (i.e. not Karkand), I can get like 70 points in a round using the sniper kit.

Tournys are all about teamwork, especially when you only got like 6 guys. On a 64 man server, who the fuck wants to team play?
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|7200|Toronto, ON
It's not that snipers suck, it's that players have not the faintest shit idea to use them.


Which proves their W/L ratios (Exception of Todd_Angelo and Doctuh).



Medic is still the best kit in the game.
Alpha as fuck.
demondspawn
Member
+7|7209|Aussie in the UK

greenhaven wrote:

No. First off, good snipers can inflict heavy ticket loss on the other team, while only losing a couple for theirs. Secondly, snipers actually defend. The enemy team can't cap that flag if they can't go within 25 feet without dying. Even if the lone sniper can't hold them off, they'll lose tickets, and it will buy time for someone else to defend the flag. Also, when your team's vehicles are on the move, it helps to have someone to shoot all the TOW/Stinger/AT gunners. Snipers can do all this with less deaths than a traditional infantryman.
Well said m8
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

Did you know that shooting the Helo with the M95 will take off 1 bar of health, just last night my team downed a helo as a squad of snipers the helo was strafing the arty island and all six of us opened up on it, it was on fire in no time.  can a squad of assault do that?, or medic?, or spec ops? i think not.  Have you actually seen two snipers work together? as a TEAM? They communicate. They can pin the enemy, they can strike at moral, sure there are people that cant sniper but there are also people that cant fly, they learn.  And you bearz have 134 hours as sniper, but 80% vehicle whorage?  wtf?

Sniper's jobs are the same in bf2 as they are in RL, its the team work that every one needs, we need to learn to work with the sniper. as the snipers works with us.

Last edited by R3v4n (2006-09-11 23:21:11)

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demondspawn
Member
+7|7209|Aussie in the UK
Ben>you I will take you on any day no commanders just you and me, me sniper you what ever kit you want see what happens. one on one with a sniper who knows what he is doing you will lose.

Last edited by demondspawn (2006-09-11 23:24:39)

demondspawn
Member
+7|7209|Aussie in the UK
I love sniping when I'm just to tied to run around LOL
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

Sniping, i like it because i fell it provides for more of a challenge, not that I'm saying the rest of the kits is not challenging they are all challenging in one way, also sniping is enjoyable there's no better feeling then picking off a guy 450 meters away...
~ Do you not know that in the service … one must always choose the lesser of two weevils?
sgt.sonner
the electric eel has got me by the brain banana
+146|6981|Denmizzark!!
my sniper kd is 4.78 on foot..

with about 200 flag defence points to boot..

nuff said..
R3v4n
We shall beat to quarters!
+433|6934|Melbourne

sgt.sonner wrote:

my sniper kd is 4.78 on foot..

with about 200 flag defence points to boot..

nuff said..
I started out as a noob sniper, just about to break 1 kd ratio yay!
man i should ahve made a new account.
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