philbymaris
Member
+0|6735|Brissvegas AUST
Has anyone ever seen the destruction a 50 cal sniper rifle does to the head of an enemy.....i have so that now leads me to this topic, they want realism in this game and i personally think the 50 cal needs more power... hell it should take their heads clean off, it did in the photo i seen....not bring em down to 2 bars...

MORE POWER NEEDED....

Philbymaris

PS the site i seen the photo if ya interested is link removed (tsk tsk, naughty site ), and have a look in the war archives
ghostgr
177th Field Artillery
+39|6741|In your head
#1 It is against international law (geneva convention) to shoot any human at all with a 50 rifle unless through armor or walls.

#2 I totally agree with you! needs more power! WAY too weak for a 50 cal I shot one before and they gots lots and lots and lots and lots and etc. power.
Kingswat
Member
+0|6754
The fact you visit O.com proves how much of a moron you actually are.


I do agree the gun needs more power, but hte fact you even linked to that site on here so little 10 or 11 year olds can go have a look is pathetic.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|6774|Noizyland

I dunno. I think your suggesting upping the power from 95 to 100? There are some things wrong with this, (and I am a Sniper enthusiast so don't get me wrong, I like the M95.)

- Although the M95 in real life is more powerful then it's game counterpart, having a one shot kill weapon would make it too easy. Headshot's would no longer matter.
- Complaints would flow. There are already enough for "N00B-Tubers".
- It would take the skill out of Sniping. Sniping is one of the best skills to have in the game, so you can't take away fom those who excell at it.
- It'd make BF2 like CS, (complaints about AWPs are common.)

I think it'll do as it is. To have more of an incentive to unlock the rifle, maybe the M24 should be reduced in power.

Edit: I don't think I want to see those pictures. I went to that site, saw the descriptions, and thought I'd rather do something else. Ever since I saw a picture of a victim of a chainsaw attack I've never really been into those kind of sites.

Last edited by Tyferra (2005-12-05 22:44:40)

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chickenmuncher
Member
+2|6751| U.S.A.
Um.... if your under the age of 21, or you think you can hadle EXTREME  gore (real),  DO NOT go to this site, these are real war shots.

Also, some people want the game to show this, i wish not, getting killed and spawning again is nothing like real life, that makes the game wonderful.
Kingswat
Member
+0|6754
And don't forget, Ogrish is involved in that scandal of offering passwords to porn sites to soldiers for pics of dead bodies.
TehSeraphim
Thread Ender
+58|6723|New Hampshire
I'd like to add the Army classifies the M95 as an anti-material rifle.  I think my grievance is the scope on this thing.  In RL the gun can engage targets up to a kilometer away, but with the scope you only get maybe 6-700 meters.  But having it do 100 damage would be a little too much...I agree with Tyferra - they should reduce the power of the m24 - it seems ridiculous to me that the two rifles have the same damage
philbymaris
Member
+0|6735|Brissvegas AUST
thats a really good point, reduce the power of the M24, but in all reality you have to be 18 or over to enter Ogrish, yes its violent and not reconmended for weak stomachs but it shows war as it really is, have you ever been in a war? i have i was in Bosnia working as a translator for the UN, and the pics are a good indication of the ethnic genocide that occured..... as in most wars that are happening laterly...

Alot of people dont understand the racial and religious indifferences that that part of our world has to put up with,

hell i came back to australia with no stomach (meaning shrapnal wounds) because of my time in that god forsaken place, and seriously if ya was to break out in australia people need to know the reality of war and not believe that war is a glorious thing.

and as for the power of the M95, a head shot with it doesn't always take out the opposition, even from point blank.... so up the power i say, cause if it did hit ya you would be gggggoooonnnnneeeee in reality.

Philbymaris
VirtuaLResistancE
ArmChair Warrior
+4|6755|NH - USA
I'm not overly concerned with real life thing, but I have noticed a big change from 1.03 to 1.12 with the M95. I've had some shots that should have taken some people down but they just walk away. Its happening allot lately so I dont think its me or my aim. Its almost like the gun makes the sound but the bullet never leaves the barrel.

https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/PANZER420/optelic98.jpg
dshak
Member
+4|6813
I love sniping, favorite kit, over 1700 rifle kills... but even I would HATE to see more power in th game with the sniper rifles. If you had any "one shot kill" weapon for anything other than a head shot than it would totally unbalance the game.

You can still kill anyone with a single M95 OR M24 headshot, thats more than enough. if you get really good with either gun there is no need for more power.

I haven't noticed one difference since the patch, some people even claim that the M95 crosshairs are thinner and they have had MORE kills with it since the patch, I think its all in everyones head. seems exactly the same to me!

Yes, a headshot ALWAYS kills the opposition... if it didn't, you didn't hit him in the head, no matter how convinced you are. period.

Last edited by dshak (2005-12-05 00:56:26)

LoaderX
Member
+-1|6757|Tucson, Arizona
Yeah, I agree... Give the weapon the damage ability it deserves.  In additon, the most limiting factor of being a sniper is the distance you can see.  So if you give it more damage it yes will be a one hit kill, but on a lot of the maps you can't see THAT far to make it anymore of a threat then it already is.

Last edited by LoaderX (2005-12-05 02:33:03)

jools
Member
+-1|6808|a galaxy far, far away....
I disagree. M95 doesn't need more damage. If anything, it needs a better scope, and more accuracy when used while prone.

Last edited by jools (2005-12-05 06:36:55)

IC_Draconis
Member
+9|6718
I think with more power, the M95 would totally unbalance the game.

But if you want reality...OK...then we should add also wind into the game...probably the sniper won't be the most favourite kit then.

Just my 2 cents though...
Tarasque
Member
+0|6718|Norway
Nice!

ANOTHER post on buffing the M95, "search" anyone?
Opiate
Member
+0|6725|Ontario, Canada
Yea more damage or more accuracy. It's pretty bad when the F2000 can kill in 1 hit (unless i'm on crack). It's not like snipers are overpowered, you still need to work it to get kills / good hiding spot.
fdcp_elmo
Rules over Sesamestreet
+5|6755|The Netherlands
I dont want a more powerful M95 imagine you can't even walk around normally without beeing shot by a M95.
I agree that you need a headshot for a instant kill.
otherwise it will get too easy and hordes of wannabe snipers are released into BF2.
TehSeraphim
Thread Ender
+58|6723|New Hampshire
Eh, I'm just saying better scope and a weaker m24.  Most of my sniper kills are from headshots, or firing (and making sure i hit the person by not leaving the scope for a moment), and following it with a barrage of pistol shots.  Hey - you get a kill, and they do give you 7 clips for the pistol so might as well rain down some hell.
nating75
Member
+0|6777

VirtuaLResistancE wrote:

I'm not overly concerned with real life thing, but I have noticed a big change from 1.03 to 1.12 with the M95. I've had some shots that should have taken some people down but they just walk away. Its happening allot lately so I dont think its me or my aim. Its almost like the gun makes the sound but the bullet never leaves the barrel.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/P … elic98.jpg
There has been a lot more lag lately especially in SF. Sniping most definitely would be effected the most by lag.
RedFiercare
The Kid
+2|6743
@Phil - If you can't kill a guy by shooting him in the head at point-blank range, you're obviously missing.
@Everyone else-  EVERYTHING (sans the pistol) gives a 1-shot kill if you hit the person in the face.  Not the head, the helmet cuts the damage.  If you stand in FRONT of somebody, and aim it at the FRONT of their face, you'll get a 1-hit-kill with any weapon but the pistol, that takes two.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6752|Toronto, ON
No, it does not need more power.  If it gets more power, then this will become an AWP fest and I would surely win.
Alpha as fuck.
DrDestruction
Utilityman
+1|6778
It doesn't need more power.  One-shot kill weapons would completely unbalance the game and make CQC virtually useless.

The photo is fake anyways.  Just look at it closely - photoshopped.
philbymaris
Member
+0|6735|Brissvegas AUST
the photo on orgish, the sniper kill insurgent with 50 cal sniper rifle, ya recon thats fake, mate look real to me.... that would be the sort of damage done by that kind of calibre weapon.

Philbymaris
Nurv_Tincup
Member
+0|6717
Hi, I am new to these forums but I thought I would give my input on the subject considering I have extensive background.  I have been in the service since 1989, 8 years active and I have be in the reserves since then.  During my duration I have seen combat in several different countries as our country saw fit.  I was a infantry sniper during my active years, and I although I haven't dealth with the M95, I have dealth with its evil twin the M82A1, then M95 is comparable in everyway with the exception of the semi-automatic  feature, and length and weight vary a bit on the M82A1.   The M95 rifle weighs in at 22 piounds, and nealy 4 feet long, so it isn't something that you are going to run around with much that much.  It fires a .50c  caliber round that has an effective range of 1900 meters.  Now although the game does capture the power that this weapon, the game made it much easy to hit targets.  Especially moving targets.  At 400 meters from an elevated position it is almost unheard of making a shot on a moving target.  Shooting a target on a downward trajectory reduces the target size therfore making it even harder to hit. When making shot at ranges over 100-200 yards there are several elements that have to be accounted for, drop, windage, and breathing are crucial. Adjustments that aren't easily made on the fly.  Most sniping units are comprised of two partners these days, a spotter and a shooter.  The spotter calculates distance, and windage for scope adjustments.  A mistake of 1 degree is insignificant on a 100 meter target, but the same miss on a 1000 meter target and you miss by 20-30 feet if not more.  So targets are easily aqquired and dropped in this game. 

The next thing is that the .50 caliber round isn't used against personel.  It is used primarily to disable light armor vehicles, and this of that nature.

The thing that needs to be adjusted is the scope.  On the game, you have the ability of hitting a target at 100-150 meters tops.  This is a range where a M16 would be adequate. A weapon like the M24sws like I used primarily in the service is a great weapon.  Its a light weapon, however it doesn't have the range of the 50's, it does have loads of power within its range.  Headshots from either of these weapons will drop a man in his tracks.

If the sniping was truly realistic, none of you would do it.  Maybe the game should add a more effective damage system.  If you get shot, it should effective you ability aim, run, walk, climb anything that that particular wounded part would effect.  Atleast until you find a medic.

I can say from experience, if I took a shot at you from 200-300 yards, and you were a stationary target, there is 0% percent chance of survival.

Last edited by Nurv_Tincup (2005-12-05 22:00:48)

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