BF2S Forums Core 2 Duo owners...

Kmarion wrote:

WTF-FUBAR wrote:

I myself am curious how he keeps from getting any spyware without software to protact it.

Stop or you will go blind Rosy Palms.

Simple, Mozilla Firefox and half-a-brain.

I don't have anti spyware or anti-virus, they are good, but i don't need it, and i download alot of shit, torrents etc., i just know what is real and fake.

It's not that this topic is about Intel's Core 2 Duo...

Hats off to the guy who had the balls to post his stats. Someone said that I would believe what you guys posted over a tech page and yes I would, unless your implying your a lier which I can't image anyone doing that.

now take what I am about tell you and try to see it as if you had no doubt it was true then apply it to what you know and see if it makes sense.

first off I am not attacking you core 2 owners, AMD dual core suffers many of the same issues. you see a "great" performance increase in those tests but here you got a person who is probably as honest as he could be when he describes his dual core to his FX52. to him what he see in front of him is all that counts, not what some site or guy who may or may not be getting a kick back and you have no way of fin dining out anyway.

He says his dual is better and he obviously likes it but his FX52 he does not really have much to complain about it. That is the problem and the proof, a dual core, amd or intel or otherwise should smack the shit out of that FX52. sadly, the FX52 could be configured faster by optimizing the software and if that not done to the dual core he might even start thinking the FX was faster, or at least the same.

That is what I have been trying to say all along, first you have XP, which is way over bloated and Dx support is the only reason another OS has not already taken microsoft out of the drivers seat. It is not designed with dual core support to be truly used to its max.

Also why I mentioned the Nvidia chipset they're coming out with, which I never said was for Intel or AMD or both, cause I'm not sure. What I am sure is that a dual northbridge could open the door for a dual channel bus so that each core could send and receive data down their own pathways, making them x3 than a dual core of any kind on a single channel mode as is now, don't believe me, put your memory in a single channel mode and test it then test it in dual channel mode.

same size and speed memory in your own system will be fast in a dual channel mode because 2 gig in single mode, 1st stick transfer data while 2nd is retrieving next block, then 2nd transmits, etc.

Dual mode both sticks are read at once as if it where a single 2 gig stick, everything comes to clock pulses, in 1 clock pulse, the 1st can only transfers 1 gig with the 2nd in the next pulse, the dual sent all 2 gig in the same pulse because it had 2 channels to use.

Making sense? what it all means is that right now since you cannot get the performance you should I don't feel the cost is worth it, but don't think that if they put out a motherboard that had dual channel mode for a dual core based processor tomorrow that I wouldn't get that shit tonight if I could.

Dual core whatever is not that awesome now but by the end of the next or next year. If they are smart about it will be the standard.

Oh to answer a couple of things. Processes:
taskmgr.exe (to view them)
IEXPLORE.EXE(to post it here)
explorer.exe
nvsvc32.exe (not a must but make sure my refresh is to its highest)
spoolsv.exe (printer)
lsass.exe
services.exe
winlogon.exe
csrss.exe
smss.exe
system
system Idle Process SYSTEM
svchost.exe (x3 ) (this is for the dll files that are or might need to be share dll's to be used by multiple programs or operations)

Explorer.exe is the biggest hog of the resources but you can end task before running your games or even make a second profile and use msconfig to make it not load. also it is possible to get this down to just 4 but you loose the ability to configure network settings and other things I find I accessed too much to leave shutdown. Think of it like this, you can have a Ferrari but your software drives it like a pinto so it is a very expensive pinto.

Put your favorite nascar driver in the seat and it is a different story.

I don't use anything else but IE, not because it is so good, it actually kinda sucks, but if I can make IE safe and secure on the net then I knew my system is protected, like setting up a 2003 .net server without putting it behind a router. If you can manage that then you know your server was locked up better than fort knox.

Here is a little bit of what I do. 1. must have XP pro, home lacks the security options. 1st remove everybody from any computer policy that grants local authorities or the ability to make core changes in windows except the local admin account, yours and system, then make sure to add every other one to any of the policies thqt deny access.

then next lock down your IE panel, spybot s&d can do it but there is other ways, block all third party cookies and allow 1st and session. after that disable all scripting under your interent settings on the security tab. I then have a special list of trusted sites that only I can add to or remove from and those sites i allow some scripting to run.

the only down site to my setup is that I cannot do any file sharing, or have shared folders on my local network because none of my systems can be seen. Also I cannot do the windows update because of the restrictions I set. There are several services I have disabled, but DO NOT disable RPCS (remote procedure call service) or you cannot load into your computer after the first time you reboot/shutdown anymore.

Someone said prior that the other core was good in managing  background processes, but why should I have to pay my money to provide a 2nd core to run their crap in the background just to be able to play my game without issues. when i do finally get a dual core I expect to have both cores availble for what I want, anything less is unexceptible if my money is invovled.

bottom line, yes I said your dual core of now is not anything special. Yes you think I am nutts, but wait until you finally get a sytem that has dual channels for that dual core and then you'll be impressed and if the software gets optimized to take the most avantage of it, then you'll be amazed.

Here is a debate for you, which you think is gonna perform better a core 2 extreme or one of Nvidias quad SLI video card MoBo's ? For me I'm not sure, depends on how bad the pci-e bandwidth sharing issue will effect the performance, the worst that is the better the odds in the core 2's favor (keep in mind I didn't see if Nvidia ahd a quad option for a core 2) I was trying to imagine spending the cost of 1 7900 series 512 or 1gig card then times by 4 and buy the board and cpu on top of it......ouch.

Never take anyone persons word without questioning it somehow, not an "expert", not me, but never dismis what they say either take it and do your own testing and then deside for yourself. It is at your desk when your playing your game or whatever that really matters, look at W2K bug, they had most every computer fixed, if it even really needed it, before it even turned 2000 and still played on it all the way till the end cause it gave them lots of attention and they knew it would end good. Anybody who upgraded their bois after the first quarter in 1999 had been fixed the min they finished flashing it.


Now come on people and post your benchmark scores, you see you may not have a dual core but your scores aren't going to be horrible if you setup your stuff right. besides what do you want to see, scores from a controlled lab type envioronment or scores from the real world which we all actually play in.

Last tip I have always buy one step back from the newest tech after the new one is released and you will always have plenty of performance and save huge amounts of money.  you've seen the video card you've been thinking of getting suddenly go from $365 down to $187 as soon as the new one is out. Sometimes this is after you paid $365 other times you get to be the one who pays $178 and smile. One the chance to not care about price comes around go nuts then.

E6600
7900gt
800mhz ddr2 2GB cas 5 g.skill

my own personal scores, stable overclock.

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

my own personal scores, stable overclock.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5011 … orejh4.jpg

I assume that is a 06 score but is there anyway to make the lettering sharper? Or is that the best it can be cause it is posted here and it would be too big to be allowed to post?

Also, Is it a SLI setup or just a single video?

Last edited by CronicjoeBlunt (2006-08-30 01:12:39)

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

i would doubt that nvidia would start making cpus... dualcore chipsets yes, but not cpus

I'm not so sure, only because 3DFx was in the process of developing one along with mobo chipsets which after Nvidia bought them, is how Nvidia got into chipsets and is also were SLI tech came from. So if they already made use of 2 of the 3 things 3DFx was working on, the only reason they woulding on the 3rd is if they didn't think it was profitible, I think that would depend on how far 3DFx got before Nviidia bought them, if there was a working prototype versus still a file on a CAD program for example

Man you know how much performance you could gain if you cleared out some of those processes? I have to say I am surprized you can score that with 72 processes but think what your score could be with just 30, 20 or less? Only other question is how many video cards are in it? If I can catch my buddy at home I will take a screen print of his score which was 6200s and be sure to show you the total processes because that has alot to do with why he got that score. there is things there I'm sure you don't need to have running and to elminate them will free up the resources used by them.

CronicjoeBlunt wrote:

Man you know how much performance you could gain if you cleared out some of those processes? I have to say I am surprized you can score that with 72 processes but think what your score could be with just 30, 20 or less? Only other question is how many video cards are in it? If I can catch my buddy at home I will take a screen print of his score which was 6200s and be sure to show you the total processes because that has alot to do with why he got that score. there is things there I'm sure you don't need to have running and to elminate them will free up the resources used by them.

i know =/ 1 vid card only 7900gt at 525mhz core 725 mem. im too lazy to clear processes... im waiting till vista

more scores!



109k in aquamark3

I would post my score of 9812 3DMark 2006...

But then I would get accused of hacking.

I just use Freeram xp or something, works ok. 
Also nice chair you got there Kmarion

Maj.Do wrote:

Also nice chair you got there Kmarion

Thx