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2006-08-18 18:04:09
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada

lowing wrote:

Spumantiii wrote:

what?  What could they possibly do?  Another suicide bombing?  Are you suggesting they're even capable of nuclear strike?  You suggest grave danger to the world.  What if you're just wrong about that?  What if the real danger is the propaganda?  The Nazis WERE defeated.  Just like today's propaganda will be.  Someday you'll be able to look back on this as being ridiculous.
Yeah, we will all look back on Bali, London , Spain Tanzania, Nairobi, WTC '93, the USS COLE, Munich, Pan AM 103, Beruit etc........and just have a bigggggggggg laugh. good point spumantii.   sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh
are you nieve enough to believe they were all caused by the same group??   SIGH.
Please explain how the US has not committed acts of terrorism.  And avoid using nationalistic tripe to call me an America hatrer.  I am being objective.

Last edited by Spumantiii (2006-08-18 18:05:18)

2006-08-18 18:04:11
JaMDuDe
Member
+69|7201
Lets have a holocaust against muslims before we lose this war against propaganda. If we let them they would do it to the jews, so lets let the jews do it to them.
2006-08-18 18:04:56
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6979

JaMDuDe wrote:

Lets have a holocaust against muslims before we lose this war against propaganda. If we let them they would do it to the jews, so lets let the jews do it to them.
How christian of you godboy. Hypocrite.
2006-08-18 18:07:19
EVieira
Member
+105|6902|Lutenblaag, Molvania

JaMDuDe wrote:

Lets have a holocaust against muslims before we lose this war against propaganda. If we let them they would do it to the jews, so lets let the jews do it to them.
Great, ethinic cleansing. That's the way to a better world. You know they recently did that in Bosnia, did wonders for the place. And it sure got the Jews out of Europe, we all know what good that did the world. If only we had more people thinking like that, what a great place the world would be... If only another Hitler would rise to power somewhere...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered;  the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei  (1564-1642)
2006-08-18 18:08:35
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6979

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

GATOR591957 wrote:

My problem for those of you who feel it is just extremists.  Where are the Muslim's denouncing these atrocities.  I'll tell you where they are, hiding.  So if you only have individuals shouting at the tops of their voices kill the infidels, with no one objecting, what should we believe?  I really hate to say it but I may have to agree with the original post.  Maybe it is time to put a stop to this.  I would also agree that it is a time of crusades.
Maybe you are blind and deaf to moderate muslims or maybe the US media sanitizes reporting so you don't hear about organisations like these:

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/03/Opini … _aga.shtml

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_art … st+terror+

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re … p?ID=20933

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010201.php

http://islamonline.net/English/News/200 … le05.shtml

http://muslimsagainstterror.blogspot.com/

STOP FUCKING GENERALISING AND DEMONISING. DO YOU WANT A MUSLIM HOLOCAUST?!? Is that what you really want? Will that make you content?
If the extremists are such a minority in Islam, when then, is it so hard for the moderates, or the truly peaceful Muslims to keep the extremists in check? The KKK could be called extremists in our country, yet, they have been put down at their own rallies by Americans IN GREATER NUMBERS who do not support them.  Now the KKK, is truly an "invisible empire".

If the radicals are so few, it should be easy for the world to ban together and defeat them so we can all get on with our lives, but that IS NOT the case Cameronpoe.
Lowing - an ideology can never be defeated - it's simply impossible. It can only be restricted, limited, policed, whatever. You seem to be rather sold on this scaremongering. What are this minority going to do? Take down the entire extremely technologically and militarily advanced western world? With suicide bomb belts? Even the odd dirty bomb won't dent the west. Get over your fears man. Try protecting yourself and your homeland and forget about creating more terrorists by invading other countries and supporting the terrorist state of Israel.
2006-08-18 18:12:13
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7140
this is where islamic nations have to seperate state and church. remember 15th century europe? women were "witches" if they were intelligent. Thats what IMO islamic nations have to seperate church from state, its acting like medevil europe
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2006-08-18 18:12:16
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Maybe you are blind and deaf to moderate muslims or maybe the US media sanitizes reporting so you don't hear about organisations like these:

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://www.islamfortoday.com/terrorism.htm

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/08/03/Opini … _aga.shtml

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_art … st+terror+

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Re … p?ID=20933

http://powerlineblog.com/archives/010201.php

http://islamonline.net/English/News/200 … le05.shtml

http://muslimsagainstterror.blogspot.com/

STOP FUCKING GENERALISING AND DEMONISING. DO YOU WANT A MUSLIM HOLOCAUST?!? Is that what you really want? Will that make you content?
If the extremists are such a minority in Islam, when then, is it so hard for the moderates, or the truly peaceful Muslims to keep the extremists in check? The KKK could be called extremists in our country, yet, they have been put down at their own rallies by Americans IN GREATER NUMBERS who do not support them.  Now the KKK, is truly an "invisible empire".

If the radicals are so few, it should be easy for the world to ban together and defeat them so we can all get on with our lives, but that IS NOT the case Cameronpoe.
Lowing - an ideology can never be defeated - it's simply impossible. It can only be restricted, limited, policed, whatever. You seem to be rather sold on this scaremongering. What are this minority going to do? Take down the entire extremely technologically and militarily advanced western world? With suicide bomb belts? Even the odd dirty bomb won't dent the west. Get over your fears man. Try protecting yourself and your homeland and forget about creating more terrorists by invading other countries and supporting the terrorist state of Israel.
Well, part of this same group that you say could never take down the west, sure as hell did a major part in taking down the Soviet Union. 

Are you actually suggesting that although we may get attacked from time to time and even a dirty bomb may be exploded in one of our cites, that I should just relax, because events like that wouldn't really "dent" us that much?? I can't believe I just read that!!!

All good and well Cameronpoe, well then I guess it would be ok if it were YOUR family that was killed by a dirty bomb. After all the big picture is Ireland would still be there huh??
2006-08-18 18:15:45
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command
Lowing, I as so called Leader of the War MNongering Conservatives, name you Capitain and head of my war counsil.
2006-08-18 18:17:40
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada
good for us, now we can't lose  (tribe 1 ftw) 
2006-08-18 18:20:47
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina
Spumantii and CameronPoe I suggest that you don't expect any reasonable answer or post from Lowing, so don't wste your time answering him.  He's a fascist and doesn't have the intellectual capability to difference between a "lefty", as he called me, and a free of propaganda person.
2006-08-18 18:20:55
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

Spumantiii wrote:

good for us, now we can't lose  (tribe 1 ftw) 
LOL, thank you fan   +1
2006-08-18 18:22:03
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6979

lowing wrote:

Well, part of this same group that you say could never take down the west, sure as hell did a major part in taking down the Soviet Union. 

Are you actually suggesting that although we may get attacked from time to time and even a dirty bomb may be exploded in one of our cites, that I should just relax, because events like that wouldn't really "dent" us that much?? I can't believe I just read that!!!

All good and well Cameronpoe, well then I guess it would be ok if it were YOUR family that was killed by a dirty bomb. After all the big picture is Ireland would still be there huh??
Lowing - 'this same group' didn't play a 'major part in taking down the Soviet Union'. That is simply untrue. They drove them out of Afghanistan. Sum total of what they achieved. The Kremlin had about as much control on Afghanistan as the coalition has on it now - not very much. You are over-inflating the achievements of 'this group' - a group who would probably not have achieved their vicotry if it were not for the fact they were fighting a proxy war on behalf of USA, with their continued military and financial support. They no longer have support from a militarily strong country.

The reason you should relax is that the likelihood of anything bad happening within the US is miniscule. If something did occur it would be highly unlikely that you personally would be unlucky enough to bear the brunt too. The only solution to what you seem to be suggesting is the eradication of anyone with sallow skin and a beard. You aren't giving me much in the way of solutions here. I don't know what you think is the best approach to dealing with this exaggerated problem. My approach would focus on defence rather than attack because, as we have seen with the march you have mentioned, attack only worsens the situation. Not addressing the core problems that drive people to become extremists has really taken a backseat. Especially since USA became an unadulterated Israeli satellite state, taking orders from Tel Aviv rather than the other way round. The US can no longer act as a balance arbiter of justice in the middle east so any US involvement in the region is going to derided and is going to generate more extremism.

Hey - we're all members of the 'Western Society' - just because Ireland will be OK doesn't mean I'm not concerned for the US, Canada, France, etc.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-18 18:23:48)

2006-08-18 18:22:12
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

ATG wrote:

Lowing, I as so called Leader of the War MNongering Conservatives, name you Capitain and head of my war counsil.
Such an honor.
2006-08-18 18:23:32
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

sergeriver wrote:

Spumantii and CameronPoe I suggest that you don't expect any reasonable answer or post from Lowing, so don't wste your time answering him.  He's a fascist and doesn't have the intellectual capability to difference between a "lefty", as he called me, and a free of propaganda person.
LOL, where did a call you a "lefty"??

When did I say you could get out of the corner of that other thread??!!.Now get back there and SIT!!
2006-08-18 18:23:57
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada

lowing wrote:

Well, part of this same group that you say could never take down the west, sure as hell did a major part in taking down the Soviet Union. 

Are you actually suggesting that although we may get attacked from time to time and even a dirty bomb may be exploded in one of our cites, that I should just relax, because events like that wouldn't really "dent" us that much?? I can't believe I just read that!!!

All good and well Cameronpoe, well then I guess it would be ok if it were YOUR family that was killed by a dirty bomb. After all the big picture is Ireland would still be there huh??
Really?  I swore it was Gorbachev and the people of the USSR.. 
does that mean that Vietnam brought down the states??  I'm confused?

Why not shoot the mailman for infringing on your property while you're at it.  He might try to deliver you anthrax.

do you even know anyone who was affected by terrorism?  As far as I know no troops were being killed by terrorists in any significant numbers before the invasion.  Incomparable.  To try and say you and I are at the same risk as a citizen in the middle east is just arrogant!
2006-08-18 18:24:26
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6979

ATG wrote:

Lowing, I as so called Leader of the War MNongering Conservatives, name you Capitain and head of my war counsil.
Surely he would be more suited to Propaganda Minister.

As leader of opposing tribe I nominate Sergeriver Minister for Latin American Affairs and Spumantii head of paramilitary operations within North America.

For the benefit of Sergeriver:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=37765&p=1

I would have added you to the tribe but Marconius closed the fucking thread....

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-18 18:31:50)

2006-08-18 18:31:05
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada
we need people to say things sometimes so we can reaffirm what we feel is right.
2006-08-18 18:33:22
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada
and that is how propaganda works.
2006-08-18 18:33:33
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Spumantii and CameronPoe I suggest that you don't expect any reasonable answer or post from Lowing, so don't wste your time answering him.  He's a fascist and doesn't have the intellectual capability to difference between a "lefty", as he called me, and a free of propaganda person.
LOL, where did a call you a "lefty"??
This is from another Lowest post:

<Lowest>Well hell!!! If all I need to prove allegations on leftist bullshit is a website!!.......well HERE YA GO THEN!!!!

http://www.ihateliberals.net/

NOW WE ALL GOT PROOF!!!!!!!!!!.........now what??

Last edited by lowing (Today 21:38:05)</Lowest>

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-18 18:35:05)

2006-08-18 18:38:36
Spumantiii
pistolero
+147|7107|Canada

CameronPoe wrote:

As leader of opposing tribe I nominate Sergeriver Minister for Latin American Affairs and Spumantii head of paramilitary operations within North America.
sweet!  Wait..  That would make me ..  like..  the biggest terrorist ever!!   O NOES  O 
hahaha you'll never get meee   lol
2006-08-18 18:38:48
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

Spumantiii wrote:

we need people to say things sometimes so we can reaffirm what we feel is right.
You should better not answer him, he's not worhty.

Last edited by sergeriver (2006-08-18 18:53:07)

2006-08-18 18:39:40
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Well, part of this same group that you say could never take down the west, sure as hell did a major part in taking down the Soviet Union. 

Are you actually suggesting that although we may get attacked from time to time and even a dirty bomb may be exploded in one of our cites, that I should just relax, because events like that wouldn't really "dent" us that much?? I can't believe I just read that!!!

All good and well Cameronpoe, well then I guess it would be ok if it were YOUR family that was killed by a dirty bomb. After all the big picture is Ireland would still be there huh??
Lowing - 'this same group' didn't play a 'major part in taking down the Soviet Union'. That is simply untrue. They drove them out of Afghanistan. Sum total of what they achieved. The Kremlin had about as much control on Afghanistan as the coalition has on it now - not very much. You are over-inflating the achievements of 'this group' - a group who would probably not have achieved their vicotry if it were not for the fact they were fighting a proxy war on behalf of USA, with their continued military and financial support. They no longer have support from a militarily strong country.

The reason you should relax is that the likelihood of anything bad happening within the US is miniscule. If something did occur it would be highly unlikely that you personally would be unlucky enough to bear the brunt too. The only solution to what you seem to be suggesting is the eradication of anyone with sallow skin and a beard. You aren't giving me much in the way of solutions here. I don't know what you think is the best approach to dealing with this exaggerated problem. My approach would focus on defence rather than attack because, as we have seen with the march you have mentioned, attack only worsens the situation. Not addressing the core problems that drive people to become extremists has really taken a backseat. Especially since USA became an unadulterated Israeli satellite state, taking orders from Tel Aviv rather than the other way round. The US can no longer act as a balance arbiter of justice in the middle east so any US involvement in the region is going to derided and is going to generate more extremism.

Hey - we're all members of the 'Western Society' - just because Ireland will be OK doesn't mean I'm not concerned for the US, Canada, France, etc.
All during the 90's Clinton's lack of response to the terror attacks did nothing except build the terrorists confidence  and thus their resolve to continue bigger and more devastating attacks.  If you insist on taking a defensive posture in this war on terror, then DEFENSE is what you are going to have to do.

As far as the Soviets go, the war in Afghanistan was an military and political and economic disaster for the Soviets. It created discontent among its citizens. If it was a cake walk there things might have been different. After 15 or so years the soviets left in '88 and collapsed in '91. I will put my money on the Afghan war as having something significant to do with it.
2006-08-18 18:41:59
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

sergeriver wrote:

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Spumantii and CameronPoe I suggest that you don't expect any reasonable answer or post from Lowing, so don't wste your time answering him.  He's a fascist and doesn't have the intellectual capability to difference between a "lefty", as he called me, and a free of propaganda person.
LOL, where did a call you a "lefty"??
This is from another Lowest post:

<Lowest>Well hell!!! If all I need to prove allegations on leftist bullshit is a website!!.......well HERE YA GO THEN!!!!

http://www.ihateliberals.net/

NOW WE ALL GOT PROOF!!!!!!!!!!.........now what??

Last edited by lowing (Today 21:38:05)</Lowest>
there ya go sergeriver, don't post what I was responding to.....Remember?? you posted a website called thetruthaboutgeorge.com as your "proof" he was evil.?? LOL
2006-08-18 18:42:47
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

Spumantiii wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

As leader of opposing tribe I nominate Sergeriver Minister for Latin American Affairs and Spumantii head of paramilitary operations within North America.
sweet!  Wait..  That would make me ..  like..  the biggest terrorist ever!!   O NOES  O 
hahaha you'll never get meee   lol
Oh, I dunno what  to say, thanks guys.  But now I'm a major Sudaca Fundamentalist Terrorist.
Seriously speaking, it's good to see that there's hope when people like CameronPoe, Spumantii, The Ship Builder, and others are still thinking and not buying the propaganda bullshit.
2006-08-18 18:43:39
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7075|USA

Spumantiii wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

As leader of opposing tribe I nominate Sergeriver Minister for Latin American Affairs and Spumantii head of paramilitary operations within North America.
sweet!  Wait..  That would make me ..  like..  the biggest terrorist ever!!   O NOES  O 
hahaha you'll never get meee   lol
Sure we will, we will just go to the beach and shoot you in the ass while your head is buried in the sand.

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