Air imbalence fix.

2006-08-06 21:31:57

#1

el capitan: Member; +11|7002

This still wouldn't make air combat fair from faction to faction, but it would go a long way as to helping improve it. On carrier maps, they need to spawn an F18 on the carrier, over by where the CWIS thingy is. F18's are planes that can be launched of carriers... why not incorperate that into the game...? We could still have a 35 on the carrier, on the landing pad. Im not saying that it would make the air balence fair between MEC/CHINA and USMC, but it would be an improvement, and its not that bold of an idea (laughing) that Dice would say no. What do you all think?

P.S. Yeah... i want my miniguns back on my blackhawk gunship... That made the blackhawks a threat on Wake, and on Oman.

Pst... my ingame name is -]NFL[-49er as well as 3anshee ( [DCBB] ) for all my friends out there.

P.S.S. I played the mod for BF1942 (desert combat) that helped spawn this great (laughing) game called BF2. In that game, there were these things called AA guns... They took skill to use, and a cool thing about them was there was no warning tone for the planes flying around. Manned by a good AA gunner (wildthing was the best), it provided balence to the game. Instead of all these stingers all around, why not spawn in a few
???-23-4 (can't remember the first part, not ZSU - thats for self propelled AA). This would be realistic, and wouldnt light up the pilots buzzer... meaning that there is chance that the gunner can shoot the plane down.

anyway, i hope that someone from EA/DICE is reading this right now...

Last edited by el capitan (2006-08-06 21:41:18)

2006-08-06 21:36:40

#2

LT.Victim: Member; +1,175|7034|British Columbia, Canada

Yup.. a F-18 would be Great on the carrier, but DICE is to lazy to put one there...

And Ya.. Blackhawk Mini-guns need to be un-nerfed..

2006-08-06 23:21:39

#3

DirtyMexican: I knife Generals; +278|7008|Search Whore killing fields

LT.Victim wrote:
Yup.. a F-18 would be Great on the carrier, but DICE is to lazy to put one there...

And Ya.. Blackhawk Mini-guns need to be un-nerfed..

you mean you still botheer using that blackhawk thing?

2006-08-06 23:32:34

#4

Kyouteki: Member; +27|7041

I definitely agree with the 18 thing...as for the BH comment...it's nothing more than a transport from point A to point B these days, and honestly, the gun thing doesn't bother me at all because in my early days, i was always the unlucky sap that was getting freakin' spawn raped to shit and back by those fucking pricks in the BH, so i'm not really sad that that can't happen anymore and besides, with the SkyCow's gun being so incredibly lame, it's only fair in that aspect i suppose...though that says nothing about the fairness of one jet vs another (F-35 vs j-10), whatever the case...it doesn't break my heart in the long run, i figured out a nice little piece of wisdom long ago concerning the f-35....avoid the flying coffin. Or...if you do manage to get a J-10 down, or one crashed...(I know this is lame, but survival demands it)spawn rape the living fucking shit out of the airstrip j-10 spawn point and never let that beast back into the air if you know what's good for you. I don't even care about kills...i just care about that monster getting airborne again.

Last edited by Kyouteki (2006-08-06 23:34:49)

2006-08-07 06:33:35

#5

Puppy: Member; +11|7133

while we on the subject of air inbalance...is it the F35 thats needs to get better or the j10 that needs 2 get worse?

2006-08-07 06:38:27

#6

Tunacommy: Member; +56|7092|Massachusetts, USA

I have never flown either - why is the J10 so much better? I see alot about that plane.

2006-08-07 06:41:57

#7

Puppy: Member; +11|7133

it dodges missles alot better (like all the time) and the f35 is just 1 big ass flying coffin

2006-08-07 07:31:02

#8

13rin: Member; +977|6951

True that. I've switched servers because between J-10's kicking ass and artie, no one could get off the damn boat. The J-10 is way too strong and the f35 is too wimpy. EA has it bassackwards.. I won't even fly the f35. I think the carrier on wake needs a few extra jets. Come on its a freakin carrier... One jet? I also think EA should make a f14. Also the AA on the carrier is taken out too easily. I'll start to lock up on the j-10 and boom! Spawn time. Granted it's a game -but when is a carrier just sitting there by itself? There needs to be a cruiser next to it with some kick ass AA.... No way in hell a J-10 would get within 100 miles of a US carrier. Just my thoughts though...

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2006-08-07 07:47:08

#9

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7178|67.222.138.85

Iron Gator even has F-18s sitting on the deck folded up, why is the only thing they can puto n the carrier you can fly the F-35?

2006-08-07 08:04:14

#10

Tunacommy: Member; +56|7092|Massachusetts, USA

Puppy wrote:
it dodges missles alot better (like all the time) and the f35 is just 1 big ass flying coffin

sounds like fun - I wish I could get my joystick to work....

2006-08-07 08:37:18

#11

manitobapaintballa: Member; +32|7090

DBBrinson1 wrote:
True that. I've switched servers because between J-10's kicking ass and artie, no one could get off the damn boat. The J-10 is way too strong and the f35 is too wimpy. EA has it bassackwards.. I won't even fly the f35. I think the carrier on wake needs a few extra jets. Come on its a freakin carrier... One jet? I also think EA should make a f14. Also the AA on the carrier is taken out too easily. I'll start to lock up on the j-10 and boom! Spawn time. Granted it's a game -but when is a carrier just sitting there by itself? There needs to be a cruiser next to it with some kick ass AA.... No way in hell a J-10 would get within 100 miles of a US carrier. Just my thoughts though...

that cause it wouldn't need to (exotec)....

but ya they should make the 35 turn better

2006-08-07 08:44:41

#12

DirtyMexican: I knife Generals; +278|7008|Search Whore killing fields

heres an idea... Play kubra or sweep.. or even oman.

2006-08-07 13:25:43

#13

Leonnoe1: Member; +2|7196

Yup.. a F-18 would be Great on the carrier, but DICE is to lazy to put one there...

What carrier? You mean the Essex? The Essex is a WASP class assault ship. It is NOT a "Carrier". I imagine the reason they didn't put F-18s on the Essex was because they at LEAST got that small fact right. F-18's cannot take off from a WASP since the deck isn't long enough, and they lack catapults. THAT is why you won't see F-18s taking off from the Essex.

Wasp:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/lhd-1.htm

CVN:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-68.htm

2006-08-07 14:31:33

#14

Snake: Missing, Presumed Dead; +1,046|7037|England

Um, since when do jets get a missile lock on them and the pilot does NOT get a warning tone?

Going by that idea, maybe when a Jet gets lock-on to another jet, no warning tone should sound? Same with AT onto tanks? Or a TV/LGM onto tanks?
Most maps have a pretty fair jet & heli/AA balance, but some dont. (depends on how good/shit the AA users are).
Dalian and Oman are the two that I can think of where AA is non existant and jets rule the day, and Road Rage is where AA is too dominant (both bombers get absolutly annihilated on that map).
Maps like Daqing have it pretty equal, with 5 AA units around, 2 of which are miles from the main action which go up against bombers and fighters.

In my experience, only jet whores who expect to go an entire round without ever dying complain of AA in that manner.

Last edited by Snake (2006-08-07 14:32:31)

2006-08-08 09:25:08

#15

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|7021|UK

When a missile strays off target and locks onto the closes't heat source (e.g jet)

2006-08-08 10:07:54

#16

DirtyMexican: I knife Generals; +278|7008|Search Whore killing fields

Leonnoe1 wrote:
Yup.. a F-18 would be Great on the carrier, but DICE is to lazy to put one there...
What carrier? You mean the Essex? The Essex is a WASP class assault ship. It is NOT a "Carrier". I imagine the reason they didn't put F-18s on the Essex was because they at LEAST got that small fact right. F-18's cannot take off from a WASP since the deck isn't long enough, and they lack catapults. THAT is why you won't see F-18s taking off from the Essex.

Wasp:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/lhd-1.htm

CVN:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/cvn-68.htm

if your going on realism then this isnt the game. do you think shooting someone with 5 hits from a pkm they wouldnt die from the 1 maybe 2 shots. Or the magic re supply of eryxs. F18s on the carrier sound ok to me

2006-08-08 14:03:25

#17

Leonnoe1: Member; +2|7196

Ok, well since you don't want realism lets just give everyone 10 billion health, unlimited ammo, and recoilless nukes.

If you're hitting someone 5 times with the PKM your lagging and the hit detection isn't catching.

2006-08-08 16:06:00

#18

destruktion_6143: Was ist Loos?; +154|7098|Canada

DBBrinson1 wrote:
True that. I've switched servers because between J-10's kicking ass and artie, no one could get off the damn boat. The J-10 is way too strong and the f35 is too wimpy. EA has it bassackwards.. I won't even fly the f35. I think the carrier on wake needs a few extra jets. Come on its a freakin carrier... One jet? I also think EA should make a f14. Also the AA on the carrier is taken out too easily. I'll start to lock up on the j-10 and boom! Spawn time. Granted it's a game -but when is a carrier just sitting there by itself? There needs to be a cruiser next to it with some kick ass AA.... No way in hell a J-10 would get within 100 miles of a US carrier. Just my thoughts though...

ya but then everyone will complain that the americans have an unfair advantage on wake. u cant win. ppl will always complain.

2006-08-08 23:51:18

#19

Windrider_Melb: Pwned so often there's an IPO.; +29|6976|Melbourne, Australia

Ummm.... what is this balance thing? If the J-10 is a better aircraft it is a better aircraft. If you were playing a 1970's MOD of BF2 and the F15-C wasn't raping everything in the sky, you'd get pretty pissed I reckon.

The JSF / F35 is a cookie-cutter plane designed to cheaply replace the AV8B Harrier II, F16 Fighting Falcon, F15 Eagle and Strike Eagle, A10a Thunderbolt II, F/A18 Hornet and a couple of other models. It is designed as a "jack-of-all-trades" with a few specific specialised functions rolled in. As such it will NOT be the absolute shit-hot base-raping uber-master of anything, but will be adequate for almost ANY task it is called upon to do. The USAF is still going to have some highly specialised and best-of-type aircraft (like the F22 Raptor) for specific purposes like establishing air supremecy and first-strike ground-attack / anti-radar work (as currently done by the F117a Nighthawk).

I think they got the F35B right. It's not the thoroughbred racehorse, elite fencing master or superbowl quarterback of aircraft - it is the pick-up truck, the back alley thug and assistant coach of aircraft and of course something more specialised is going to perform better.

Now. Having some dual mannable Bofors Cannons would make short work of the J10's. Or a CIWS system that works.

\\'

2006-08-09 05:33:31

#20

SgtMelee: Member; +2|6943|Tewksbury

I agree.. big balance issues.. f18 wld be nice and the helos cld use maybe 2more mounted guns.. the more fire power the better..

2006-08-09 06:43:25

#21

seymorebutts443: Ready for combat; +211|7066|Belchertown Massachusetts, USA

Leonnoe1 wrote:
Ok, well since you don't want realism lets just give everyone 10 billion health, unlimited ammo, and recoilless nukes.

If you're hitting someone 5 times with the PKM your lagging and the hit detection isn't catching.

contra

2006-08-09 06:53:27

#22

Cold Fussion: 72% alcohol; +63|7139|Sydney, Australia

A simple fix would be to give the f-35 6 bombs and 2 sidewinders. And/Or, make the lockon time much shorter (around 0.25-0.5) from its current 1.5 seconds, so that it can fire its missiles before the j-10 pilot has time to take evasive action.

In short, make it a ground attack aircraft and give it fast locking missiles.

Last edited by Cold Fussion (2006-08-09 06:54:18)

2006-08-11 09:49:46

#23

BandoIruka: Member; +1|6966

i prefer to see the f35s get a higher top speed and more durability... and perhaps give it a better turn radius.

2006-08-11 09:53:36

#24

Shem: sɥǝɯ; +152|6998|London (At Heart)

The F35 isnt that bad, I can take J-10s down in it....

Just learn to fly it.

2006-08-11 10:32:07

#25

DirtyMexican: I knife Generals; +278|7008|Search Whore killing fields

Shem wrote:
The F35 isnt that bad, I can take J-10s down in it....

Just learn to fly it.

I dont even bother shooting at the j10s. I just bomb the ones waiting for it. Take off go high bomb the ones waiting, keep going past airfield near out of bounds go re arm and do over again and if one follows me I usually take him under the bridges.

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