BF2S Forums What does it mean to be anti-semitic?

ozzi92 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Merriam Webster Definition:

Main Entry: an·ti-Sem·i·tism
Pronunciation: "an-tE-'se-m&-"ti-z&m, "an-"tI-
Function: noun
: stock response to criticism of Israeli governmental policy, irrespective of racial connotations of the term
- an·ti-Se·mit·ic /-s&-'mi-tik/ adjective
- an·ti-Sem·ite /-'se-"mIt/ noun

did you make that up becuase it's what mmmmmmm 100% false.
I'm in Israeli and when someone sayd something really bad about Israel (which never been said to me) i dont think of them as antiSemtism i think of it as what a gay cunt like his country is better.
Some people might say that if your anti-Israel your antiSemtims which also makes sense because think about it, Israel the only Jewish country in the world, if your saying you hate Israel and your saying the should like get wiped of the map or die then your basicly saying jews should die, becuase really Israel is our only safe ground. But only some people think that.

Not only was it sarcasm, but now you're trying to call him an anti-Semite. Good job on the attempted character assassination.

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ozzi92 wrote:

Some people might say that if your anti-Israel your antiSemtims which also makes sense because think about it, Israel the only Jewish country in the world, if your saying you hate Israel and your saying the should like get wiped of the map or die then your basicly saying jews should die, becuase really Israel is our only safe ground. But only some people think that.

Trooper_Collider wrote:

Ir0n-M@n wrote:

i personally hate israels politics and wars against lower countries and i just love that germany cannot say anything against their politics or politicians because the next thing happening is some journalist or israelite shouting "anti-semitism" "holocoust part2" blablabla -.-

Lower countries? And what do you think Israel is? Freaking Russia, or China? or UK? or The States? Israel happens to be a non-developed country! Have you even been there? There's nothing but sand and old buildings! Of course they have developed sciences and technology, but the country itself is  poorer than Mexico! (and believe me, that's too much to say!) The arab countries, those are rich countries compared to Israel. The problem is that the educational level happens to be lame there, and their governments are as corrupted as the mexican government is!(lol). Israel's way of life happens to be modern and occidental styled compared to the Middle-east standard, but they have no money; I really dont think they are a developed country. Not as France, Sweeden or Germany at all! So, dont tell me they are abusing "lower countries". Cmon! you can do better than that!




Semper Fi!

They did and are abusing "lower countries" and they do it with America's money.

Jewish people immigrated to Palestine and bought chunks of land for ~60 years until it was recognized as a state? Israel being recognized as a state pissed off the surrounding countries even more. Israelis moved to new areas of Palestine and "settle" it as they put it, still did until recently. Pushing back the borders further and further.

But as for the anti-semitism in question, that's a double entendre. Israel is comprised of Jews. Jews comprise Israel. Can you bad mouth the actions of a state with a single religion without badmouthing the religion? In some peoples eyes, no. In my eyes, yes. Assholes are assholes, regardless of who they call God and in what way they do so.

Americans should buy land up around the Canadian border and get the UN to recognize that, wouldn't happen would it? Why is that? Ask yourself that question. Because they aren't poor?

Was the state of Israel being established fueled by World War II? Probably so. And I can understand that, they deserve compensation for what happened. But land? Land fuels wars. Always has, always will. And when that happens and they pull the anti-semitic card... you have an island of people of a different religion than all of the surrounding countries and feel the need to pull that card? What did you expect them to say? Take our land and we won't say fuck all about it?

What I'm trying to get at here is this: Palestine got fucked. Plain and simple. By Zionists, by the UN. Whatever.

And before anyone tries to call me anti-semitic... I don't believe in ANY religion, organized or not. And I don't care if the color of your skin is green even. So shut up and stop playing race/religion cards when it comes to shit like this. And yes, I realize that the State of Israel has only been around 60 years. What other "lower country" gets money and weapons from bigger nations in such abundance and with such free reign?

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ozzi92 wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

ozzi92 wrote:

did you make that up becuase it's what mmmmmmm 100% false.
I'm in Israeli and when someone sayd something really bad about Israel (which never been said to me) i dont think of them as antiSemtism i think of it as what a gay cunt like his country is better.
Some people might say that if your anti-Israel your antiSemtims which also makes sense because think about it, Israel the only Jewish country in the world, if your saying you hate Israel and your saying the should like get wiped of the map or die then your basicly saying jews should die, becuase really Israel is our only safe ground. But only some people think that.

Not only was it sarcasm, but now you're trying to call him an anti-Semite. Good job on the attempted character assassination.

When did i call you an anti-Semite and when did i say it was sarcasm

First: Israel is not a country, it's a state.

Second: Israel is not your only safe ground, it is your only UNSAFE ground.  Yet you try to hold on to your stolen land for all it is worth.

Third:  Why is his country a "gay cunt"?  Because you are so much better in Israel?  It's remarks like that which only reinforce my opinion that Israel should cease to exist.

Fourth:  You have the typical Zionist view; if you're against Israel you're anti-semitic.  It looks like it's coming buddy, so you better start stretching.  If you don't you won't be able to kiss your ass goodbye.

Note:  the latest polls in the U.S. show that more people disapprove of Israel's actions than approve.  There is a definite swing in our backing for Israel going on.  You are about to lose your only friend...

it means you dont things in half

Bubbalo wrote:

|AIA| DAS wrote:

I rest My Case.

What case (serious question)?

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UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

lowing wrote:

UnOriginalNuttah wrote:

What's the word for someone wants to genocide all Muslims?  They need to coin a phrase for that because it's getting bloody rampant these days, sometimes even from people who throw the word anti-Semite around.

Can you please show me an article where Israel is quoted as saying they want to commit genocide on all Muslims? 'Cuz I sure as hell can post several where Muslims have said they wanted to do this to Israel??

do you want to post first or shall I??

You just love completely misreading everything don't you.  Please learn some comprehesion.  Show me where I said I was talking about Israel and not the small minority of ignorant 'kill all the Muslims' posters on these forums (which is what i was actually refering to).

EDIT: And what the hell kind of unrelated, bullshit response is that, anyway.

LOL maybe I did mis-understand your post. But it could be easily interpreted as an attempt to accuse Israel of wanting to destroy the Muslims. You didn't mention you were ONLY talking about in this forum, I took it as you meant world wide.

Dammit people, I found some true anti-semites, they hate the state of Israel. They must be anti-jewish (by the logic of many on this thread).

The Neturei Karta.

To see the point in my post you all have to check the link.

Flecco wrote:

Dammit people, I found some true anti-semites, they hate the state of Israel. They must be anti-jewish (by the logic of many on this thread).

The Neturei Karta.

To see the point in my post you all have to check the link.

Nice find!

|AIA| DAS wrote:

HM1{N} wrote:

First: Israel is not a country, it's a state.

Second: Israel is not your only safe ground, it is your only UNSAFE ground.  Yet you try to hold on to your stolen land for all it is worth.

Third:  Why is his country a "gay cunt"?  Because you are so much better in Israel?  It's remarks like that which only reinforce my opinion that Israel should cease to exist.

Fourth:  You have the typical Zionist view; if you're against Israel you're anti-semitic.  It looks like it's coming buddy, so you better start stretching.  If you don't you won't be able to kiss your ass goodbye.

Note:  the latest polls in the U.S. show that more people disapprove of Israel's actions than approve.  There is a definite swing in our backing for Israel going on.  You are about to lose your only friend...

*HM1{N} and Ahmadinejad High Five*

Meanwhile |AIA| DAS looks on this post in glee...*Pumps fist*  Ladies and Gentlemen of the Forum, I rest My Case.

Mmmm so help me out here cos I'm confused; where in any of that is the anti-semitic bit?

Israel is bombed to hell by terrorists; so its not safe ground is it? Unless you call the possibility of being bombed daily safe i suppose.
He says Israel should cease to exist, not that Jews should cease to exist.

If we actually look at what 'anti-semitic' means; it is hatred of Jews, not Israel, Jews. Israel has lots of Jews in it, but you can still be against Israel and not against Jews. To attempt to shoe-horn HM1{N} into an anti-semitic straight jacket isn't going to work; he is anti-Israel, but not anti-Jew. And more than that, he probably doesn't have a problem with the Jews having a State, only with a state oppressing people inside her borders (to put my words in his mouth. From what i've read of HM1 this is what I think his position is)

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Vilham wrote:

Ive read alot of the stuff thats in this thread and it has supported my view....

Religion should be abolished!

Can people realy not accept that their is no after life, there is no greater being, what you do NOW is what matters. All this geo-political crap that has sprung up in the past 5-6 years has come from bloody religion.

Dude, this shit has gone on from the beginning of time. Political correctness has changed somewhat though... Along with the moral compass of people, and general tolerance and understanding.

I bet you that in the days of the Neanderthals and Caiman peoples that they regularly kicked the crap out of each other for land. They just happened to be on even footing.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

Anti-Semitism (alternatively spelled antisemitism) is hostility toward or prejudice against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group, which can range from individual hatred to institutionalized, violent persecution.
-Wikipedia.

Further to my earlier post, lets have a look at the post that started all this off with |AIA| helpfully stating his case.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

HM1{N} said...
Lisik - it's because of people like you that I see why Israel will probably be nuked back to the stone age.

Lets all note the key part of this sentence; "I see why...", not why you deserve to be or anything even close. Only that HM1 can see why. Understanding someones point of view is not the same as agreeing with it.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

It's because of people like you that I see why someone like Mel Gibson hates you.

There it is again, "I see why". Not "Mel hates you and i agree" but "I see why".

|AIA| DAS wrote:

It's because of people like you that people the world over hate Jews more than they fear Satan.  In fact I've even heard people calling Jews Satan's offspring.

"that people [all over] the world hate Jews". Again this isn't a "I hate Jews", its a "people hate them". In the second part of the sentence HM1 is reporting what he has heard without actually giving his opinion on it.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

It's because of people like you this vicious cycle of violence still exists.

Lisik was voicing nothing but utter hatred for the terrorists (and the Palestinians). Lisik was taking an extreme and uncompromising position; a mirror image of the position that extremist Palestinians take. Whilst these extremists are calling for death of their enemies, there will be no peace. What HM1 has said is broadly correct and even if you believe he is wrong, there's nothing anti-semitic about that comment.

|AIA| DAS wrote:

Lisik - Israel and it's people like you are why there will never be peace.  You people think you are better than everyone else because the world has been "hands-off" on your land stealing, murdering, displacing, human rights violating, genocide furthering, and "screw you-we'll do what we want attitude".

This is as close as HM1 gets to anti-semitism (and it isn't even in the same solar system as anti-semitism) where he is actually expressing his own beliefs, but even here there isn't anything about all Jews should die, or any bollocks like that.

HM1 believes that the Israeli's stole the land to begin with (which is a debate for another thread) and are now murdering, displacing... etc. To say that is not anti-semitism. There people being murdered by both sides, to try and say otherwise from either side is laughable. But no where and not once does HM discriminate against Jews, either as a religion, a race or an ethnic.

|AIA| - Please show me one instance in that post where HM1 is showing a hostility towards Jews (not Lisik the individual but the Jewish people) and I'll happily concede. Until you can, you shouldn't be rubbishing HM's arguments by falsely branding it anti-semitic. Your obviously an intelligent bloke, argue with what he's actually saying.

** Please note that the quotes that are assigned to |AIA| are actually HM's words but with |AIA| bolding up the letters to try and prove his point. **