BF2S Forums Faith requires ignorance

Chuckles wrote:

Cougar wrote:

1st mistake: Making a thread mentioning religion in the Debate forum.

2nd mistake: Calling all religious nuts on the forums as well as the people who merely practice a religion "ignorant".

3rd mistake: Only putting "Discuss" in the body without elaborating or providing a reason for this debate.

4th mistake: Making all of the above mistakes in one thread.


This thread can burn in the eternal fire of hell for being a worthless piece of shit.  Further proof that great forum members fuck up sometimes too.

I couldn't agree more, especially with #3.  To the original poster, are you just looking to start a big argument so you can come back and point at a big flaming thread and say "look ma, I started that fight!"?

If you really thought this question was worthy of debate, I'd think you would weigh in with a nice, reasoned post.

DING, DING, DING, DING,
We have a winner...

Ignorance requires faith. They have to believe that their is no afterlife/God, and that is faith.

You know what?
I have two children.
Every Sunday my wife takes them to church while I go dirtbiking.
My wife accepts me without religion because I accept her with it. I also see no problem with having my kids learn about the bible and the golden rule.
If they ever ask, I will simply explain that I have different beliefs; not better, just different.
I would teach them about history and pagan beliefs because they have valid points as well.
And some of the vanquished religions still contain wisdom.

Last edited by Alexanderthegrape (2006-07-22 17:38:31)

I understood you.
Aetheist have faith for sure. I think their belief is whacked too because they have a opinion on what happens after we die.l

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Miller wrote:

You can't see all the signs around you that there is a god and not accept it.  Everything in this universe couldn't have been all made by chance alone.  That's highly improbable and nearly impossible to have happened.

Hi Miller, have you heard of the anthropomorphic principle?

It's the idea that acknowledges that it is true that there is only a minute chance that things would turn out the way that they are, but that if they hadn't turned out that way (as in everything working) we wouldn't be the way we are and able to realise it.

Complexity in the universe alone does not indicate intelligent design. I firmly 'believe' that I/we do not know/can't explain everything, but that doesn't mean one particular explanation (inteliigent design) becomes true.

in the eyes of Muslim Extremists, they are definitely ignorant to, well, be so extreme

Moggle wrote:

Miller wrote:

You can't see all the signs around you that there is a god and not accept it.  Everything in this universe couldn't have been all made by chance alone.  That's highly improbable and nearly impossible to have happened.

Hi Miller, have you heard of the anthropomorphic principle?

It's the idea that acknowledges that it is true that there is only a minute chance that things would turn out the way that they are, but that if they hadn't turned out that way (as in everything working) we wouldn't be the way we are and able to realise it.

Complexity in the universe alone does not indicate intelligent design. I firmly 'believe' that I/we do not know/can't explain everything, but that doesn't mean one particular explanation (inteliigent design) becomes true.

Besides, according to String theory, the probability of any occurance is 100%, because all possible variables are covered in different universi.

And, in practice, there are only two possible probabilites; 100% and 0%. Say I am about to flip a coin, the theoretical probability of heads is 1/2 or 50%. But if I flip the coin and it turns up tails, the practical probability of heads was 0%, as it did not come up heads, and the practical probability of tails was obviously 100%. This applies to all events, any possible event that occurs had a probability of 100% any event that does not occur had a probability of 0%, it is just that we lack the proper information to determine this. As such, the practical probability of the world and humanity being as we see it, is 100%. The difference between practical and theoretical probability explains what may appear to be the impossible odds against humanity's formation.

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DesertFox423 wrote:

Do we really have this many atheists on the forum? Or are you all just to lazy to go to your separate church/synagogue/mosque?

No it's not too lazy, more that I stopped going when it stopped having meaning for me.

I'm not atheist, in the sense that I do not "believe there is no God". I'm just pointing out that many people spend a lot of time providing "Proof" of God, that as far as I can see are usually only statements of faith or flawed exercises in logic/reason, rather than being proof.

My position is that I don't know, but that doesn't stop me accepting that "God" might be out there. Similarly, just because a (any) religion might be founded on a belief in a potentially non-existent God, doesn't mean that they don't have things that we can learn from them.

I guess what it comes down to is that most people require/(?benefit from) explanations for things they don't understand / can't explain, and faith can help with that.

Speaking strictly for myself, when it comes to religious faith, my ignorance is bliss.

Been there.  Done that.  Never again.

CameronPoe wrote:

Discuss.

Faith requires ignorance:

True by definition, but not exclusive to religion as some may automatically conclude from the OP's chosen topic title. I don't claim to know everything, but I do nurture the idea that things can and do exist without my personal awarness of their presence.

Now for a bit of personal hoodoo:

As such, I have faith in God the same as I have faith in science, though I understand more of the latter. But I do not have faith in religious organizations, with their inherent tendency towards corruption. Therefor, I do not feel loyal to any particular denomination. I believe that if God does indeed exist, that it will be in a purpose completely different than as depicted by human description. I retain hope that there is more to us than a mere collection of atoms and cells, because though science may not have any evidence of such, they have yet to disprove it with proper, unbiased research. And if I continue to exist as a sentient entity after physical shutdown, I will always have fond memories of my time spent battling demons in Diablo II.

Also:

a comment & reply wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Show  me someone who " Knows everything " and I will show you someone who has stopped learning.

Bubbalo wrote:

Uh...........Horseman..........what?

By which he means that if someone knows everything, then the act of their learning anything new has been rendered impossible. Likewise, someone who insists they know everything will find it difficult to learn anything new, due to their lack of willingness to prove themselves wrong.

This little nugget of wisdom has been repeated often enough that it should be easily recognized.

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

a comment & reply wrote:

Horseman 77 wrote:

Show  me someone who " Knows everything " and I will show you someone who has stopped learning.

Bubbalo wrote:

Uh...........Horseman..........what?

By which he means that if someone knows everything, then the act of their learning anything new has been rendered impossible. Likewise, someone who insists they know everything will find it difficult to learn anything new, due to their lack of willingness to prove themselves wrong.

This little nugget of wisdom has been repeated often enough that it should be easily recognized.

No, I was talking about the rest of the post, which has since been removed.

Bubbalo wrote:

No, I was talking about the rest of the post, which has since been removed.

Ahah.