Cronjob
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+1|6961|Broomfield, Colorado

dop3man wrote:

i agree with the op,bugs bugs and more bugs,but the game has given me and my bro nearly 400 hours of gaming and awesum gaming at that,it doesent live up to its potential but then again hardly anything does.
ive pre-order'd it and im gunna love it even more than BF2,also ive read that another patch will be out for the release which may address sum issues,a boycott would be nice to teach EA a lesson,but that aint gunna happen,too many bf junkies out there(me included).
good points tho
A boycott to teach EA a lesson?

What lesson would that be?

Seriously, if you're such an expert - what is this new magical development process you've devised which produces flawless code with an incredibly short and perfect QA process that releases perfect software?

I still am unclear on what all of these horrible show-stopping bugs are that you're all whining about. A little red-named teammate is annoying now and then, but it's hardly the end of the world. A funky and half-useless server browser sucks, but that's not the end of the world, either.

Lag? Where? I've played BF2 for a couple hundred hours so far and it has been (except for the couple brief login-server outages and maintainance outages) nearly flawless. I've been playing PC games for 20 years and in the software industry since I was 16. BF2 is impressively well put together and smoothly operational. Are there places to improve still? Sure. But is there something so horrible about the game that I either can't play at all or can't enjoy the gameplay? Hardly!

Oh, the one thing that does happen a lot is that the game crashes out to the desktop on launch fairly often. Or even while playing a game or loading up a server. But guess what? Shit like that isn't EA's fault. I'm running a GeForce 7800 with NVIDIA's 64bit drivers on XP64 (I only know enough Windows to get by as I'm an OSX / Linux / Unix man and this spare gaming box is host to a Debian compile base on the other drive). I'm using a Raptor 10,000 RPM SATA drive. I'm using an SLI capable board (soon to add another GeForce 7800). I'm running it on an Apple Cinema Display (30" LCD).

And guess what? It still works. I doubt EA tested in such an environment. Software developers have surprisingly little test hardware to work on usually. Especially when it comes to variety of test hardware. The crashing to desktop sucks, but I'm hardly going to complain to them because their 32bit game doesn't run perfectly on an unsupported OS. Just like I'm not going to bitch to them because my internet connection can be buggy (especially when oversaturated in these apartments - probably all the golfers on the golf course I live on playing Tigerwoods online or something).

If you're twelve years old, you might expect everything to work perfectly all the time, because big companies are powerful like that. At least, if you're twelve years old today. You haven't had the depth and experience with hardware and software to see that it's not, as I said, a toaster or a television and that it is infinitely more complex than such devices and failures and glitches and buggy software is just part of the landscape. Some people do it better than others, but nobody has ever released a flawless piece of software (on the Windows platform, at least).
(EWC)Zenine
Zibst3rZ
+1|6993
Im in and my entire clan (EWC) are all on board for the sale.
Bravery
Member
+-1|6993
Honestly, what are maybe, 200 people boycotting to buy the game going to do to EA? Everyone knows that millions will buy the expansion probably on the first day it is released world wide, so there is'nt a point to boycott the game. DICE knows how to release games when they're finished, EA does not. Live with it, and if you're so obsessed with not buying the game because their are bugs, go to EAHQ and tell them what you think of them... Then be escorted off of their premises because of trespassing.
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|6986

Cronjob wrote:

If you're twelve years old, you might expect everything to work perfectly all the time, because big companies are powerful like that. At least, if you're twelve years old today. You haven't had the depth and experience with hardware and software to see that it's not, as I said, a toaster or a television and that it is infinitely more complex than such devices and failures and glitches and buggy software is just part of the landscape. Some people do it better than others, but nobody has ever released a flawless piece of software (on the Windows platform, at least).
This kinda relates to my point here. No I'm not twelve years old (except when I'm actually playing BF2 and I have an assault kid hehe), and no I don't expect the software to run perfectly on every single computer on the planet. Heck I've written very simple 100-300 line programs and even those had a minor bug or two that I just simply did not catch while writing.

What I do expect though is quality products for the money that I pay. Under the business model, EA could've released the game as it is, or with the SF content and would have charged us the same price no matter what. The server browser was truly the worst written code I have ever seen in my life, and EA didn't care about that as long as they got their money. No, it's not the end of the world like some of you say, but hey I paid 50 bucks to EA, and if you're telling me that what we got is the best they can do with our money, well then they should be ashamed of themselves. I am still confused as well about how Gamespy put their brand name on the server browser, even when at launch BF2 wasn't supported. I would never put my name on crappy ass code like that.

At the end of the day, most of us can live with the bugs that are in the game right now... one thing is having a program that just doesn't run, another is having crappy AA missles. This shouldn't mean we should be content with what we have now, because like i said before, this attitude of "software has bugs, deal with it" does nothing to further better written code, or more testing on a product. Buying the product helps EA get the money they need to keep making games, but I don't know, it'd be nice to see some sort of attitude from gamers towards the developers/distrubutors relating to quality.

So for all those with the "live with it" opinion, I can guarantee you that you're gonna be living with it for quite some time unless gamers take some action and demand better software. All the other industries are adapting to consumer demands, and for some reason we cut some slack to the game developers because code is supposed to be bug ridden.

As it stands now, I'm all for the boycotting of BF2:SF unless it's perfect (considering they charge full expansion pack cost)... and I just might get to writing a formal letter to EA about their game.
RONIN6969001
Member
+0|6975|Duluth MN
Just look at all games       you will find problems with all of them     you just to take what you can get     its like everything pretty much to gain something you loose something   so if you like the game play it if not play something else....
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|6987

Turtle wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

Also question yourself if the expansion pack is worth your money. I know: 30 dollars/euros is ridiculous and this price is so high because of the copyright. (You pay 45 % for the brand, rest for development costs. -And ofcourse piracy-)
yeah, 11 dollars for a legit game, I'm willing to pay for it.

'specially considering BF2 was 12.

oh and trigger happy; What about magenta? It's a form of red and blue like pink is a form of red.
Damn man, where the hell do you buy your games? Black Market Afghanistan?

Speelbal: This is not an out of the ordinary price for an expansion. Neither was the cost of bf2.
no, Pantip Plaza
kontrolcrimson
Get your body beat.
+183|7051|Australia
look at sims. huge seller.
if bf2 was as big as that, they would be putting more time into it.
and im sure they will put more time into, just be patiant. please.
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|6986

kontrolcrimson wrote:

look at sims. huge seller.
if bf2 was as big as that, they would be putting more time into it.
and im sure they will put more time into, just be patiant. please.
So I have to wait till BF2 is as big as sims in order to get a working server browser?

I've come to the conclusion that the main problem here is that some of the bugs in the game couldn't have gone unnoticed and EA ignored that for the sake of money. My main problem is with the the server browser; I am truly at a loss on how to explain that EA shipped a game with a server browser in the state that it was. Buggy AA missles also piss me off, because it's a recurring thing that couldn't have gone unnoticed.

I wouldn't mind it so much if every so often there were minor glitches, random sutle bugs, etc. A random crash doesn't bother me because I know the reality of the computer world. I do mind when these interfere with my game play enough to make me hate the game (double reloads, aa, false reloads, hits don't register correctly). These sort of bugs should be elimiated before release, I don't care how much longer it would take. And no, just dealing with it and accepting that software has bugs is not the answer this time.
RDMC_old
Member
+0|6959|Almere, Holland

BiRdMaN829 wrote:

a word to the wise: it's spelled boycott.  And do it.  EA should be patching Battlefield 2 every 2 months minumum, not coming out with worthless expansions.
A word to the wise: it's spelled minimum.
AnD-MasterMatt
Member
+0|6975|Vancouver, WA - USA
As someone who has experience in computer animation and game development with a limited knowledge of scripting and programming I realize that it's not possible to create a perfectly bug free program without extensive testing. However, there should be certain standards or a minimum quality threshold set for a game before it's released. I don't plan on buying Special Forces until BF2 is properly fixed. In fact, I'm going one step further. I'm getting so sick and tired of EA's lack of creativity, marketing, and business practices that I doubt that I will ever purchase an EA game again. It would have to be of highest quality and original for me to consider it. Personally, if EA doesn't change their business model and the types of projects they choose to develop I strongly doubt that I can expect anything innovative or creative from them in the future. Just my opinion.
SrA_Shady
Slimshady -- The Real Medic
+0|6988|Sumter, South Carolina
get a life speedball
PFCStenzel
Check your AA alarm...
+82|7017|Idaho, USA / Age 30
If you guys are so concerned about the patches and stuff for it.  Why don't you go write it then.   Why dont' you come up with a game better and program it and test it and make it perfect.  NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT.   Get a clue.  They are probably trying their hardest to work on it.  And if you don't think they are then go play something else then.  Go play Halo2 if you feel you are not getting your moneys worth.   I swear that some people think that the programmers are suppose to be perfect.    PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Live with it.
The Soup Nazi
Member
+18|7011|North Lauderdale, FL
i totally agree with the topic starter and will not be purchasing BF2: Special Forces until at least the first patch is released.
The Soup Nazi
Member
+18|7011|North Lauderdale, FL

PFCStenzel wrote:

If you guys are so concerned about the patches and stuff for it.  Why don't you go write it then.   Why dont' you come up with a game better and program it and test it and make it perfect.  NOTHING IS EVER PERFECT.   Get a clue.  They are probably trying their hardest to work on it.  And if you don't think they are then go play something else then.  Go play Halo2 if you feel you are not getting your moneys worth.   I swear that some people think that the programmers are suppose to be perfect.    PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Live with it.
i agree- but only to an extent.  i know, as a software developer, that my code is not always perfect or optimized as much as i would like.  but unfortunately there are people who make decisions about when my product is to be released.  the good part is that it gives me some sort of goal to work against.  the problem with EA, however, is that they are so concerned with getting their products out on store shelves that they make developers take short-cuts that shouldn't be allowed to take.  this creates unusually buggy code.

and, the fact of the matter is, that EA already has our money and they want more of it.  so, from a business perspective, they will do everything in their power to release the next expansion to make more money off of their franchise rather than releasing bug fixes (via patches).  patching a piece of software that you already paid for won't earn them any more money from us (as consumers).
FLaXCarnage
Member
+1|7010|Florida

Speelbal wrote:

I don't have to tell you guys why. Boycott the new game untill the game is fixed!
People who buy their stuff are helping them and supporting their mal marketing system. I.e. Battlefield 1942 had about 8 patches. Vietnam had 2. Battlefield 2 has 2, and is probably not getting anymore new patches.

For people who don't know a reason to boycot:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping.

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game.

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?)

- High unexplainable pings

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.)

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5)

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc.

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! )

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out)

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!)

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.)

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.)

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!)


Do I need to say more? You think you can add something that isn't mentioned? Be my guest. More reason to boycott is more than welcome. I ask of you, please, help the ones that think this game needs more patches.

Thanks!

-
What an idiot they are making patches its not a 1 day thing such a noob....uninstall please.
GotMex?
$623,493,674,868,715.98 in Debt
+193|6986

FLaXCarnage wrote:

What an idiot they are making patches its not a 1 day thing such a noob....uninstall please.
I don't see how your critism is constructive or even valid. He never said it's a 1 day thing, he said they won't come out with another patch since they will just continue updating special forces instead of regular bf2. But hey if you want to be a noobtard be my guest.
0ktane
Negative Ping
+55|6990|Arizona
I personally will get it.  Games have flaws, nothin is perfect.  I've experienced most of the bugs in BF2, but really don't care.  It's just a game, plain and simple.  Doin well and getting the most kills or medals or even stayin connected to a server won't better my chances at getting a job...or anything in real life...if anything, the bugs are a good thing.  You will get so aggrivated...turn off the pc, walk outside...and realize there is a big shiny circle outside...it's called the sun. 
Mad dawg
Member
+0|6992
Guys wow. If they really didnt care about the game why would they even have put out the second patch. How many patches did they put out for bf1942, yea about 8 so how many do u think there gana put out for bf2 probably even more. Dang guys nobody knows how to wait anymore. And do u really think there gana care about a little boycott thats in a fricken forums. I dont really think so. NOBODY PROBABLY EVEN KNOWS ITS HAPPENING. Dang guys. Nobody really cares. And what if the expansion is way better than bf2. And u didnt get it and now theres no store with it. Then ur gana be all mad that u didnt get it. It takes time for everything. U know how much they changed the bf2 weapons. They made the sniper do 100 less damage. I think they could do that with any unreal weapon in the expansion. Who here has already played the expansion and knows it sucks. Yea. So why u sayin it sucks. I thought bf2 was gana suck, My brother thought it was gana suck, my cousins thought it was gana suck, my clan thought it was gana suck. AND IT DOESNT. Things take time, U cant always get stuff right away. If u want it done so fast go work for EA games and DO IT USELF.
the_real_up_yours
Member
+0|7053
LOL, look at all your bitching and yet you have put in 6.5 weeks of play time in 5 months.  Basically, 25%+ of your time has been spent playng BF2.  Must be a really shitty game for you to spend that much of your time playing it.  Can anyone really take you seriously?

I guarentee that anyone that has more than 250 hours of play time in BF2 at this point will own BF2SF by the end of year.  But look at this way, when you buy BF2SF then you will have a whole litany of new things to bitch about, which should make you happy.
The Soup Nazi
Member
+18|7011|North Lauderdale, FL

Mad dawg wrote:

... And u didnt get it and now theres no store with it. Then ur gana be all mad that u didnt get it...
i hope you're not serious considering just about every major retailer has like 50+ copies of BF2 on their shelves.  i don't think it's going to be any different with BF2: SF.
Cablespider
Member
+0|7070|Occupied Chicago
I'd be curious to know how many people here bought BF2 with thier own hard earned cash vs. mom/dad....just wondering.

I agree with the notion to pass this one up. I personally have no interest in plunking down anymore money on this title. But....this surely isn't the place to call a boycott knowing all the fan boys would hit this thread hard.
Cronjob
Member
+1|6961|Broomfield, Colorado

The Soup Nazi wrote:

Mad dawg wrote:

... And u didnt get it and now theres no store with it. Then ur gana be all mad that u didnt get it...
i hope you're not serious considering just about every major retailer has like 50+ copies of BF2 on their shelves.  i don't think it's going to be any different with BF2: SF.
Considering you can buy it online and stream it to your system (which I did the first day that was offered), I sincerely doubt this is going to be an issue.
Cronjob
Member
+1|6961|Broomfield, Colorado

Cablespider wrote:

I'd be curious to know how many people here bought BF2 with thier own hard earned cash vs. mom/dad....just wondering.

I agree with the notion to pass this one up. I personally have no interest in plunking down anymore money on this title. But....this surely isn't the place to call a boycott knowing all the fan boys would hit this thread hard.
Who knows anymore? When I was a kid, you go stuff on your birthday and christmas, but it seems like every kid today gets whatever they want whenever they want it. Television, stereo, computer, internet connection, cable television, cell phones, cars, videogame consoles. You name it.

I bought ten copies for myself, my younger brother (we game a lot together since we both moved to Denver) and people we know. Then again, I'm 28, so I don't count.

Seriously though, I already bought the expansion last week and while I think it should have been stuff that was included (either on release or later on) for free, I'm not going to whine about it. For a measely $30, I'll just get it and play it and by the time I'm done, it'll contributed to hundreds and hundreds of hours of enjoyment at the rate of a few pennies per hour.

Somehow, I'm sure we'll all live.
Heretic
Member
+3|7001
I won't be buying it soon. Maybe in a few years when BF2 gets boring then I'll spend the 15 bucks SF will cost. I'm assuming by then I will be enjoying my PS3 and Bf2 will look like 16 bit gaming. So fk EA and their dedication to a finished product. I still enjoy their games but they won't see another penny from me for a while unless it's a console game.  EAs console work far surpasses there PC work.

I'll enjoy BF2 until EA removes there ranked servers.
Cronjob
Member
+1|6961|Broomfield, Colorado

Heretic wrote:

EAs console work far surpasses there PC work.
Well, duh. Console games typically work better than PC games, because they're developing and testing for a single specific set of known hardware rather than taking into account hundreds of pieces of hardware in thousands of various combinations with half a dozen operating systems.

You couldn't pay me to touch a console game, though. I prefer high-resolution (that even HD can't provide) and nice controls (that console controllers simply can't, haven't and probably never will attain).

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