BF2S Forums Rumsfeld Says 9-11 Plane Was 'Shot Down'

even your links contradict each other
What was the attitude of the AC? What were it's yaw, pitch, roll angles?
If farmer brown saw it just a few dozen feet over his head, and it was at a 45 degree angle, then why is he still alive? The impact wave alone would have killed him if that angle is correct, and if the AC crashed a few miles away, then it wouldn't have been so close to him at 45 degrees.

The b-52 was in a drill, they do this alot more often than any of us would be comfortable knowing, and thankfully fly too high for most people to see.
Most nukes are not loaded with their trigger mechanisms when they go in flight, the pilot doesn't know whether or not they are "hot", he just gets a scramble order and sees the loaders rolling a magazine out to his AC. Many times they are not issued a recall or notice that it is a drill until they are within minutes of their destination. This particular one flew around for several hours while they debated dropping them into the sea, as the lack of a detonator only prevents full reaction, and does not guarantee that radioactive material will not be released.

puckmercury wrote:

Last2Stand wrote:

Well, if they did shoot it down, I wouldnt be surprised. Bothered, yes. Surprised, no.

I'm not sure I'd be bothered.  It would be unfortunate, but when weighed against the likely alternative, I would do the same.  I'm not saying it DID happen, but if it did I would certainly support it.  The choice was 150 dead or thousands dead.  What call would you make?  "Let God sort it out?"  "Not our place to play God?"  He helps those who help themselves.

Bingo.

kr@cker wrote:

HaywoodJablowme wrote:

"if the plane was in a covered area, cell phones can work, EM transmissions go in every direction, many planes have onboard phone systems"

Yeah the planes have onboard phone systems, but cell phones?  Come on, gimme a break.  I've actually tried my phone on every flight since then and nothing, nada.  Didn't someone try experiments at various altitudes and the success rates of the signals were almost nil?

I doubt you could have a very long conversation due to their airspeed, and probably not at normal cruise altitude, but they were well below their normal operational altitude from what I understand, in the ranges reserved for private and charter planes, let me put it this way, if your 5 miles east of a cell tower, and you have a signal, why can't you have one if your only 3 miles above a cell tower?

exactly.  normal cruise altitude is about 6 miles up, and you pass cell towers so quickly that even if you were in range of one, you'd be just as quickly out of range.  however, if you're flying low and slow enough to pilot into, say, the World Trade Center - then you have a very real chance of getting a signal, especially since you're flying into a cell tower.

puckmercury wrote:

kr@cker wrote:

HaywoodJablowme wrote:

"if the plane was in a covered area, cell phones can work, EM transmissions go in every direction, many planes have onboard phone systems"

Yeah the planes have onboard phone systems, but cell phones?  Come on, gimme a break.  I've actually tried my phone on every flight since then and nothing, nada.  Didn't someone try experiments at various altitudes and the success rates of the signals were almost nil?

I doubt you could have a very long conversation due to their airspeed, and probably not at normal cruise altitude, but they were well below their normal operational altitude from what I understand, in the ranges reserved for private and charter planes, let me put it this way, if your 5 miles east of a cell tower, and you have a signal, why can't you have one if your only 3 miles above a cell tower?

exactly.  normal cruise altitude is about 6 miles up, and you pass cell towers so quickly that even if you were in range of one, you'd be just as quickly out of range.  however, if you're flying low and slow enough to pilot into, say, the World Trade Center - then you have a very real chance of getting a signal, especially since you're flying into a cell tower.

Okay, keep arguing about the cell phone calls, but what makes me laugh is the transcript the have of the guy who calls his mom and goes "Mom?", she goes "Yes", and he says "This is John Smith (or whatever his name was, can't remember)."

I know everytime I call my mom on the phone I say "Hello mother, this is Haywood Jablowme speaking.."

PoP wrote:

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www.loosechange911.com

im sure quite a few people have seen that. Very suspicious.

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