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2005-11-15 06:15:38
Speelbal
Member
+146|6990|Netherlands
I don't have to tell you guys why. Boycott the new game untill the game is fixed!
People who buy their stuff are helping them and supporting their mal marketing system. I.e. Battlefield 1942 had about 8 patches. Vietnam had 2. Battlefield 2 has 2, and is probably not getting anymore new patches.

For people who don't know a reason to boycot:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping.

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game.

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?)

- High unexplainable pings

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.)

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5)

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc.

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! )

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out)

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!)

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.)

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.)

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!)


Do I need to say more? You think you can add something that isn't mentioned? Be my guest. More reason to boycott is more than welcome. I ask of you, please, help the ones that think this game needs more patches.

Thanks!

-

Last edited by Speelbal (2005-11-15 07:49:47)

2005-11-15 06:23:00
Michael82
Member
+4|7020|Copenhagen, Denmark
damn, good thing i didn't buy it yet, i've been wondering weather or not, but whenever i want a grunt fight, i play Karkand
2005-11-15 06:27:53
Speelbal
Member
+146|6990|Netherlands
I mean that battlefield 2 isn't fixed. (Yet?)

But a good reason not to buy is:

(And this is true!)

DICE didn't want to release Special Forces yet because the game isn't quite fixed yet. EA, did wanted to release it. To exploit the successes the 'Battlefield' series has booked. Therefore I KNOW that Special Forces will have more bugs, glitches and twitches than Battlefield 2 now has.

I'm sure I wont buy it untill someone says to me: It is worth your money!
Reckon that is not going to happen soon.
2005-11-15 06:39:07
Dirrty_Bird
Dirtier than thou
+5|6979|Vermont
a word to the wise: it's spelled boycott.  And do it.  EA should be patching Battlefield 2 every 2 months minumum, not coming out with worthless expansions.
2005-11-15 06:39:20
xilix
Member
+0|7005

Speelbal wrote:

I mean that battlefield 2 isn't fixed. (Yet?)
DICE didn't want to release Special Forces yet because the game isn't quite fixed yet. EA, did wanted to release it. To exploit the successes the 'Battlefield' series has booked. Therefore I KNOW that Special Forces will have more bugs, glitches and twitches than Battlefield 2 now has.
Welcome to the business world.  No software is ever complete.  If this game sucks so bad, why dont you stop playing?  You should stop using windows too before you realize that it has many more bugs/exploits then BF2 could ever dream of.  I personally do not have any problem with this game and many of the things you mention are because of network connectivity.  NEWSFLASH:  ITS THE FUCKING INTERNET AND EA HAS NO CONTROL OVER IT!!!
2005-11-15 06:47:56
thinner44
Member
+1|7048
I will buy it on the release day. I think nearly every game produced has some kind of glitch, or some kind of exploitable use. Unless the game it totally unplayable, I don't think it's worth all the hassle... I like my games

xilix says "Welcome to the business world.  No software is ever complete.  If this game sucks so bad, why dont you stop playing?  You should stop using windows too before you realize that it has many more bugs/exploits then BF2 could ever dream of."

Sums it up nicely
2005-11-15 07:15:27
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7074
With all these problems and you still play the game...over 200hrs?? There must be some good stuff in this game no? I never expect a game to be perfect. I'm having fun and expect to have even more fun with SF, so yes I'll buy it and I do expect bugs in it.
2005-11-15 07:16:51
BladeRunner
Member
+5|6987|UK
Im afraid patches are the way of things now. Such is the game industry. Has been for years (on PCs anyway).
I'm probably not alone in saying that I'm going to buy it (in fact several members of this very boards have gone for the pre-sale download option, and thus have it already). I understand you grievances, but boycotting this one game is going to change nothing.
If you want game manufacturers to take you seriously you'll have to get a huge number of people (say...Japan) to boycott ALL games...sorry but your protest will not dent their huge turnover and so will make no difference.
I do know your frustration. I didn't have Broadband until recently, so downloading 100Mb+ patches were impossible for me to be constantly downloading, often leaving me with a duff game. Why is it that console users don't have to download patches? Because THEY CAN'T! ...and because WE can, we have to put up with unfinished symphonies.
I'll say this...beware all you console owners...now you are all going online and soon you'll all have hard drives...you'll be able to download patches. Prepare for your world to crumble into a pacthwork quilt of fixes.

So...after all that...Sorry, but I'm used to it after all these years, and will be buying the game when it comes out.
2005-11-15 07:21:03
mort4u
Artillery catcher
+5|7077|Munich, Germany
after 3 years of AA, BF2 feels os bugfree and enjoyable.
sure AA didnt cost me a cent but ive seen so many bad releases in the past but BF2 is quite good with the third patch. no reason to boycott them since its a fine game and like the guy before me said theres no software without glitches and bugs. i cant programm but i have a fair idea that coding somthing like that is difficult and some things cant be repaired with an easy effort but instead need some research about the origin.
and BF2 wasnt ready either when EA forced Dice to release it, most games arent finished at their release date.
and yes you are right its a bout money, they dont make games just to please the gamers but to make a living out of it. sure the programmers do their best but as in my own job projects have dealines and sometimes you have to make compromises between quality and just getting it finished.

all in all im going to buy the expansion as soon as its released. also i think we will see new games modes, a patch is included, more maps and weapons, hopefully some features get tweaked in the right manner.
2005-11-15 07:24:57
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7079|Missoula, MT
I second that emotion. 
2005-11-15 07:30:48
imdead
Death StatPadder
+228|7007|Human Meat Shield
I'll buy it on release day also, I want to be the first to be called a newb!! Also it's a game you're gonna have crashes, I find it's the servers and the crap on your computer that causes the corruption.
2005-11-15 07:31:49
Milk.org
Bringing Sexy Back
+270|7014|UK
This is stupid, if you don't want to buy it, don't buy it if you're stupid enough to have your mind changed by someone who says don't buy it then don't buy it but i'm sure we can all make our own decisions. If you didn't like BF2 you wouldn't be on these forums now and you would have put the disc on some dark dusty shelves somewhere ages ago like I did with Joint Operations and been off playing CS:S. What do you hope to achieve from this? Get at least 100-200 people not to buy it? What sort of % of the gross net sales do you think that will be? I'm sure more copies will be lost in shipping than you will be able to get people to boycott.
2005-11-15 07:34:25
wannabe_tank_whore
Member
+5|7016
Don't boycott it.. just delay when you buy it.  Wait until the first patch to buy it and EA will learn from that.  They expect certain amounts of money with each release of a product and if we delay that until the first patch it might mean they'll test their games more... wishful thinking.
2005-11-15 07:36:47
Hakula
Member
+1|6983|Turku - Finland
Good reason for boycott but i'm still bying the game. It's just 50€ here so to the store when the game comes
2005-11-15 08:01:07
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7001

Speelbal wrote:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping. Never happened.

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game. Never happened either.

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?) You have to add it. Not every website you go to goes on your favorites.

- High unexplainable pings Nada.

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.)

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc. Huh? Rephrase please...

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! ) Never happened.

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out)

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!) Made for mod browsers. CTF, DM, whatever game type they have is compatible into the browser.

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.) No game is perfect. Except minesweeper. No kit bug? What answer do you have for that?

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.)

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!) Conflict with stats already published, too late now, it'll give innaccurate results. Like the cph.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.

Last edited by Coolbeano (2005-11-15 08:01:45)

2005-11-15 08:01:57
Speelbal
Member
+146|6990|Netherlands

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping. Never happened.

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game. Never happened either.Then it will happen soon

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?) You have to add it. Not every website you go to goes on your favorites.This will happen soon too

- High unexplainable pings Nada.Nada?

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.)

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.Oh no my friend. Oh no.

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc. Huh? Rephrase please...There is no option to filter the server list on the map you want to play. Same for amount of players. ping. server text. etc.

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! ) Never happened.Excuse me? How do you know that never happened? There are hacks that override Punkbuster. Just Google.

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out)

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!) Made for mod browsers. CTF, DM, whatever game type they have is compatible into the browser.Vietnam and 1942 had this option. It was left out in Battlefield 2

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.) No game is perfect. Except minesweeper. No kit bug? What answer do you have for that?No kit bug? I have no answer for that because I don't know what that is.

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.)

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!) Conflict with stats already published, too late now, it'll give innaccurate results. Like the cph.Why will this give inaccurate results. You don't follow me and I don't follow you I think.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
I do want you all to make your own decision ad I am not forcing anyone. All I am saying: -I kinda work in that industry- EA is making not only a living with provinding us games, but is exploiting the fame another company has gained.

Take World of Warcraft. How many patches? Yes. Those gamers are more pleased than a gamer that plays a EA game. Because that provider (Ubisoft) has a vision. They want to take care of their clients. EA doesn't understand the word customer/client.
For them, new customers are more important than stating customers and that is the biggest mistake a company can make. All people here that own a company can back that up.
Who thinks EA takes care of their games is naive.

Yes I know all software has bugs and glitches. Yes I know Microsoft products have many glicthes too. Microsoft in comparisation has to produce larger files. Like Office. Apple does have glicthes, but not that many. Apple too, like Ubisoft, has a Customer relation managment. They want Long term relations with their clients. EA doesnt has this and doesn't want this. They'll just buy all software engineers cause they have money for it. The engineers they buy will produce their software. EA sets a date, the engineers have to make that deadline.
It used to be different: a small company like Ravensoft (Soldier of Fortune) begins making a game. They don't have a deadline just an idea. When they almost complete it and the media is promoting their game, they set a deadline. Thus they can test it, fix it, and then release it.

I'll tell you guys that are going to buy it on release: you are going to regret it.

Admins can close this thread. People don't really understand it. Sorry!

Last edited by Speelbal (2005-11-15 08:12:03)

2005-11-15 08:15:28
Hakula
Member
+1|6983|Turku - Finland

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
The games weapons have no realism in them sorry.
2005-11-15 08:21:32
Coolbeano
Level 13.5 BF2S Ninja Penguin Sensei
+378|7001

In my 250 hours of BF2, I've encountered 2 cheaters. That's it. Only once have i had a lag issue, that was unexplainable. Other times BitLord was downloading. And you can use the fitlers to filter out servers. I use it all the time for servers that only have "EA TH" and map names too. No Kit Bug
And stats, if they started producing those then people who 100% punish now don't punish. But their previous punishes would go unrecorded.
2005-11-15 09:08:55
RedFiercare
The Kid
+2|6982

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping. Happened once, when I was playing in a server based 18 hours from me

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game. Never happened

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?) You have to add it. Not every website you go to goes on your favorites.

- High unexplainable pings Only on servers based 18 hours from me

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.) It isn't THAT accurate

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.  (And balance)

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)  See that little number next to players in the server?  That's the reserved slots, don't say you weren't warned.

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc. Huh? Rephrase please...

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! ) Never seen a hacker, stat padder just a couple times

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out) That isn't a bug/glitch.

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!) Also not a bug/glitch

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.) Never encountered a building glitch.

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.) Yet you're going to make a baseless, false claim anyway?

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!) Also not a bug/glitch.  It's just a feature YOU want added.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
That about sums it up.  Thanks goes out coolbeano, as you can see, I've used his quote, and just altered it somewhat.
2005-11-15 09:13:17
BladeRunner
Member
+5|6987|UK

Hakula wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
The games weapons have no realism in them sorry.
and why should they? We'd all get the sniper-cannon and kill in 1 shot from 2 miles away

not much fun
2005-11-15 09:14:25
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7079|Cologne, Germany

Speelbal wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Recognice when you play in a server and suddenly the message "There are problems with your connection" and the server kicks you for a high ping. Never happened.

- Starting Battlefield 2. And then dropping you without warning out of the game. Never happened either.Then it will happen soon

- Server "find" options that are not included or don't work properly. (Why does the server you just played on not appear in the favourites list?) You have to add it. Not every website you go to goes on your favorites.This will happen soon too

- High unexplainable pings Nada.Nada?

- Crazy gun accuracies. (I.e. The L85A1 (medic upgrade) has a deviation.)

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.Oh no my friend. Oh no.

- Server slots that don't appear or appear way too late. (Just clicked twice, seeing that there are 16 reserved slots! Waste of server imo.)

- Not having an option wich will give you the oppurtunity to update your server list on map/player/ping/ server text etc. Huh? Rephrase please...There is no option to filter the server list on the map you want to play. Same for amount of players. ping. server text. etc.

- PB overrides. (HACKERS CHEATERS ! ) Never happened.Excuse me? How do you know that never happened? There are hacks that override Punkbuster. Just Google.

- No bots compatible with LAN. (Coop as in 1942 and Vietnam wich was left out)

- Other game options besides 'Conquest' (They made an option so that you can change the server mode. Only all other fields are empty so you can only choose between 'Conquest' and ...nothing!) Made for mod browsers. CTF, DM, whatever game type they have is compatible into the browser.Vietnam and 1942 had this option. It was left out in Battlefield 2

- All fixes that have to be made for ingame play. (Like building glitches, when reviving someone they look funny.) No game is perfect. Except minesweeper. No kit bug? What answer do you have for that?No kit bug? I have no answer for that because I don't know what that is.

- A bug in Shongua Stalemate. (Don't know where.)

- Stat upgrade missing. (No tk punish stats are listed in their database. I think this is a good way to show people how many times they punish and forgive. Btw: server can inprint this in a coded message. Very handy!) Conflict with stats already published, too late now, it'll give innaccurate results. Like the cph.Why will this give inaccurate results. You don't follow me and I don't follow you I think.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
I do want you all to make your own decision ad I am not forcing anyone. All I am saying: -I kinda work in that industry- EA is making not only a living with provinding us games, but is exploiting the fame another company has gained.

Take World of Warcraft. How many patches? Yes. Those gamers are more pleased than a gamer that plays a EA game. Because that provider (Ubisoft) has a vision. They want to take care of their clients. EA doesn't understand the word customer/client.
For them, new customers are more important than stating customers and that is the biggest mistake a company can make. All people here that own a company can back that up.
Who thinks EA takes care of their games is naive.

Yes I know all software has bugs and glitches. Yes I know Microsoft products have many glicthes too. Microsoft in comparisation has to produce larger files. Like Office. Apple does have glicthes, but not that many. Apple too, like Ubisoft, has a Customer relation managment. They want Long term relations with their clients. EA doesnt has this and doesn't want this. They'll just buy all software engineers cause they have money for it. The engineers they buy will produce their software. EA sets a date, the engineers have to make that deadline.
It used to be different: a small company like Ravensoft (Soldier of Fortune) begins making a game. They don't have a deadline just an idea. When they almost complete it and the media is promoting their game, they set a deadline. Thus they can test it, fix it, and then release it.

I'll tell you guys that are going to buy it on release: you are going to regret it.

Admins can close this thread. People don't really understand it. Sorry!
since when do you decide when the discussion is finished ? j/k

seriously, I think the guys here get your point. but we are merely exchanging opinions here, and if they choose not to follow your advice then so be it. I am sure most of us here who have played BF2 for a couple of hundred hours now have made up their mind on the game. And I think we all agree that it's a great game, even with all it's bugs and glitches. Hell, I wouldn't have invested nearly 200 hours of precious free time if the game was that shit.
Joint Operations, now that's a bad game. Bought the original and the expansion, played it a bit and then deleted it. it sux. badly. BF2 doesn't.

Besides, as I am going to get my copy of SF for free, I have no reason to complain anyway...
2005-11-15 09:21:47
Buzerk1
Member
+44|7074

Hakula wrote:

Coolbeano wrote:

Speelbal wrote:

- Overpowered and underpowered weaponry. (GL & Mp5) Realism.
hate to tellya but those won't be good enough for many people, including me.

Sorry.
The games weapons have no realism in them sorry.
How far do you want to go with realism... got shot in the game and die in front of your computer? I mean.. c'mon...it's a game...
2005-11-15 10:15:37
DUFFKING
Insert witty comment here
+3|6996|Brixham, UK
"The games weapons have no realism in them sorry."

When you shoot someone with a gun, they die. Just like in real life.
2005-11-15 10:28:31
LT_W.J.Kamikaza
Eat C4 SUCKAH!
+0|7024|Netherlands
YOu can boycott, but others won't probably!
2005-11-15 10:35:16
redfoxster
Chopper Whore Extraordinaire
+3|7011
Im boycotting! but then again, I wasnt gonna buy it anyway....

 

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