What is the difference between running in Raid 0 and Raid 1? How does this help gaming?

Why does everyone who runs raid use Raptor 76GB hard drives with 10RPM? Is this the only hard drive that can do it?

Also, can any computer run Raid? Mine is an ASUS A8N-E and my processor is an Athelon 3000+ 64.

1 last question:

My processor is an Athelon 3000+ 64 like I mentioned before, but why does it only run at 1.8GHz? I tried going into BIOS to change my MHZ or multiplier, but it wouldn't let me change my MHZ and I couldn't find a multiplier setting...

Karma to whoever can answer any of these questions.
claydawg
Chuck Norris' Homeboy
+85|6920|Oxford, MS
RAID 0 has no data security.  It makes 2 hard drives appear as one.  Because data is striped across both, it can read/write faster...but if one drive dies, you're screwed. 
RAID 1 is a full mirror.  If you have 2 drives that are exactly the same...you can only use one.  The other is an exact image of the first.  So if one dies you didn't lose anything.

I use RAID 0, but I have a 100gb IDE drive in my system to store my files on.  Also, I have a 400gb in my file server and I keep copies of everything on the 100gb plus more on there.  RAID 0 is cool, but use it wisely.

Last edited by claydawg (2006-06-29 14:47:08)

{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7057|San Antonio, Texas
Raid 0 is "striped" data storage, which means that the data is wrote to and read from both hard drives at the same time. (Good for gaming load times.)

Raid 1 is "mirrored" data storage, which means that data is written to one hard drive and then copied to the second. (Bad for gaming load times, good for data protection if one hard drive fails.)

The best is Raid 10 which is both Raid 0 and Raid 1 put together, the only bad thing is that you have to have at least 4 hard drives...

Last edited by {M5}Sniper3 (2006-06-29 14:50:15)

Thanks for the help guys. +1 to Sniper and Clay I already gave you +1 earlier for your rig specs so I can't for another 24 hours.

Can anyone help with my processor dilemma and why people use Raptors for Raid 0?

I think I'm going to run Raid 0 for my gaming PC.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7013
what they said.

for ur overclocking... it may damage ur pc...

it runs at 1.8ghz coz the multiplier is 9 and HTT is at 200. bump ur HTT/ FSB to 250 then u get 2250mhz. but u need better  cooling.
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claydawg
Chuck Norris' Homeboy
+85|6920|Oxford, MS
Check the other thread, I replied back to you about the processor already.  Here's the link if you need it:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=508640
{M5}Sniper3
Typical white person.
+389|7057|San Antonio, Texas
People use Raptors because they are GOOD hard drives. (10,000 RPM & SATA)

I'm still waiting for a 15,000 RPM SATAII...
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6824|Portland, OR USA

{M5}Sniper3 wrote:

People use Raptors because they are GOOD hard drives. (10,000 RPM & SATA)

I'm still waiting for a 15,000 RPM SATAII...
What he said.  Raptors are #$%& fast and generally reliable.  Any drive is capable of doing it, it just has to be able to interface with the RAID controller (built into the motherboard on most consumer boards)  But to simplify, the choice between RAID 0 or 1 is a choice of speed or data security respectively.
+1 karma for you all thanks for the help.

This brings me to my final question in the quest of suping up my computer:

Will Raptor SATA work on my SATA2 port? If not, can I have a RELIABLE hard drive that I can buy two of for a RAID setup?
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|7103|Portland, OR, USA

Raptors rock and IMO, one alone is good enough (i.e. no RAID) and I hear that Raptors in RAID aren't much faster. Oh, and yes, they're reliable. Mine's been on 24/7 for 2 years (except for a week or two of vacation) and never had a single problem with it.

As for SATA2, Wikipedia knows all:

To ensure seamless backward compatibility between older SATA and the newer faster SATA/3Gbs devices, the latter devices are required to support the original 1.5Gb/s rate.

Last edited by Viper007Bond (2006-06-29 18:54:12)

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splixx
ChupaCABRA
+53|7036|Omaha, Nebraska
Good replies guys... I have a raptor 10k and it rocks...
CrazeD
Member
+368|6970|Maine
You can't up the multiplier on an AMD-64 chip. Only the AMD FX series chips have an unlockable multiplier. You can change the AMD-64 multiplier down, however.

"bump ur HTT/ FSB to 250 then u get 2250mhz. but u need better  cooling."

I don't recommend jumping that far ahead for two reasons: One, your RAM will definitly not handle it (unless you have DDR500 or greater RAM, or unless you use a FSB:RAM ratio) and two, that is a very big increase at one time. With overclocking, you want to take it slow. Go up maybe.. 10 - 15MHz, and then run Prime95 for around 12 hours. If it fails, then that clock is not stable, if it doesn't fail...you are stable.

You probally won't need better cooling if you have a good case and a few intake/exhaust fans. The stock AMD 64 HSF's do a very good job. That, and changing the FSB speed alone usually won't alter temps by too much...it's changing the voltage combined with extensive core clocks that give you high temps.

I have a AMD 3200+, and at 2.35GHz t 1.45V I get like 28 - 29*C at idle, and no more than 40*C at full load.

"
Will Raptor SATA work on my SATA2 port? If not, can I have a RELIABLE hard drive that I can buy two of for a RAID setup?" I believe SATAII is the same as SATA except it has faster bandwidth. If you use a S-ATA150 drive on a SATAII port, it will just run at SATA speeds. But don't quote me on it.

If you're still not sure what RAID 0 array is, here's basically what happens:
You have two harddrives, but Windows shows it as one. When you put data on the drives, it goes like so - File A goes to HDD 1, file B goes to HDD 2, file C goes to HDD 1, file D goes to HDD 2...and so on and so forth.

Last edited by CrazeD (2006-06-29 21:20:36)

blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6999|Little Rock, Arkansas
OK, for those who need graphics instead of words, here's a page that I have used many times on many boards to explain what RAID is and how all the different RAID setups work:

Linky

This is just an awesome tool, tech folks should all bookmark it, it makes it easier for clients to visualize what is kind of an abstract idea.

Next, why does everyone talk about raptors? Well, lets see. If you look at a HD as a CD, with data spread out in concentric circles, then the faster that drive spins, the faster you can access your data. Drives in modern CONSUMER computers spin at 4200rpm (mostly laptops), 5400rpm, 7200rpm, and 10,000rpm. The raptors are special because they are the only consumer drives that spin at 10K rpm's.

If you get into the server/workstation market, there is another interface called SCSI (this is different than the IDE and ATA drives found in consumer machines) that has drives that spin at speeds of up to 15,000 rpm's.The problem with these drives is their cost (a Hitachi 147GB 15K SCSI drive costs $700, compared to a Hitachi 160GB 7200rpm SATA drive that costs $60).

So, the sum total of the raptor glory is that they spin faster, so they can access data faster, and load the game quicker. In other words, your geek penis is larger if you're running a raptor.

Your final question deals with reliability. Yes, SATA2 has backwards compatability (as well as those tiny little cables. I look forward to the death of ribbon cables). If you're looking for performance AND security, what I suggest is a 74GB raptor for your system drive ($170) and then a couple of identical large-capacity drives that you can run in RAID 1 for security (2 Hitachi 500GB 7200rpm drives with 16MB caches for $250 each).

Let me know if you have any other questions. And good luck.
c0ldfyr3
Member
+23|6964|Ireland
RAID 0 CAN LICK MY NUTS!

Got a Dell XPS Gen 3 about a year ago, Raid 0, 2 * 160GB SATA.

So, nine months down the line, I log off one user account, log into another, and bamb black screen nothing happenin.
So I restart, and at the SATA BIOS screen there is a big red line under the 2nd hd, dont remember what it said but it wasnt fail anyway.

Couldnt get ANY files back from either drive, both were screwed. Ontop of that, it undone the RAID 0 config and if this happens, good drive or not, u cannot put the RAID back without data loss.
To cut a long story short, Dell informed me that to fix it I must format the HD, which I did, and it fixed it.
I now use a non RAID configuration.

What happened to the HD to make this happen? God only knows cause neither Dell nor myself do, or at least Dell aint sayin anyway. The support guy said it has happened to alot of PCs and formating the defunc drive fixes the problem. FUCK DELL.

Last edited by c0ldfyr3 (2006-06-30 04:55:05)

908741059871059781
Sheep of War
+40|6940
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but your other alternative to RAID is SCI drives. People tend to think that raptors are overpriced drives. In reality they are not with comparable performance of SCI at a fraction of the price.

There is alot of great SATA 3.0/gbs drives out there that are alot cheaper than raptors, and still offer great performance. I think I paid around $120 for 2 WD 160 gig drives for my storage. I had the money and wanted to build a killer system, so I'm using 2 raptor 74s as my system drive.

For gaming, use nothing but a raid 0. Raid 1 is slower than using a single raptor. If you are concerned about your data, then run backups on a second hard drive or DVD if you have to.

I personally, wounldn't use any other type of drive but Western Digital. Others have good experiences with other brands, but I've never had a hard drive fail and they were all WD. I even have some drives in an old 466 that are still pluging away.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7013
SCI drives are very expensive...
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FathomsDown
Member
+19|6949|England
Close but no cigar!

RAID 0 is concatination which is using multiple physical drives as a single logical drive. This can be either using a second/third/etc drive then the first one reaches capacity or striped data where data is written across all disks in parallell. Its very fast for both reads and writes but if a single drive fails, you loose all the data.

RAID 1 is mirroring where the same data is written to both disks at once. It means you are safe from drive failures but its slower for reads and writes than RAIS 0.

Also, the drive architecture makes a difference IDE and SATA drives using the systems CPU to control them but are very fast for systrained reads/writes. SCSI drives are more expensive and have dedicated controller to handle them. As they are designed for multiple writes at the same time the offer better read/write performance for servers but generally worse for desktops.

However, hard drive subsystems won't make a hell of a lot of difference to BF2 other than making the load slightly faster. Get a decent CPU/GPU if you want things to fly.
BigglesPiP
Whirlybird Guy
+20|6845|Windermere, GB
Raid 0: Two hard drives, 1 partition. Like having 1 big hard drive with 2 heads. Bit faster than 1 hard drive.

Raid 1 Performance: 2 hard drives containing the same data, twice as fast as 1 hard drive.

Raid 1 Safety: like before but only 1 hard drive is used for reading, 2nd is a backup of the 1st.




And I really like IBM ServeRaid 1E: Lots of hard drives where each peice of data appears on 2 hrd drives. Result; you can pull 1 hard drive out and it just keeps working.

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