[S.P.S]1on1killa
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...just the other day i was arguing with this guy over who is "better" US marines or navy seals.......im a 100% convinced that the US Marines are better trained and just better soldiers.......the other dude was pretty offended as he said that he is a navy seal (if thats really the truth???)

anyway, i'd like to know your opinion on this.........and no offence to any navy seals, i dont wanna say that ya'll suck......dont get me wrong

lol
LeGrandAssidomaen
Paper Is My Hobbyhorse
+1|6817
Hmm...can't say much about that as I'm German, but isn't the military training and instruction pretty tough in general?
Horseman 77
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One thing that makes U.S. Marines So Awsome is that As Elite as they Are , they are a rather Large unit a Corps. sevral Divisions,

Seals are a much smaller Unit with area spesific training.

man for man seals are Tougher Like jet Interceptor Pilots ! lol

US marines have giving plenty of enemies "permanant Pajama co-ordinates."
Marines have been known to complete there objectives with 72 % losses I believe 20% is where most units Collapse

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LTD_SpikE
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IMO you can not really compair the 2.  US Marines comprise everyone from front line soldiers to administrative personal.  Now someone in a administrative position will never be better trained then a Navy Seal, because they will never be put in the same position as a Seal would.

Would be better compairing the Army Rangers and Navy Seals, or (not sure for name for special forces Marines) and Navy Seals.

SpikE
US Army Ret.
[S.P.S]1on1killa
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+28|6750|Germany, Berlin
thx for ýour opinion guys........:-)
wensleydale8
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i may not be american but i think the USMC is better. One of the best spec ops corps is the British SAS along with the SBS my grandfather was in the SBS in WWII .There are only around 500 SAS units at the moment witch also makes it one of the smallest.

Last edited by wensleydale8 (2005-11-14 10:03:32)

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[S.P.S]1on1killa
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whats the difference between the SAS and the SBS????  What are their areas of combat??? here in germany they onle have the GSG-9 as far as I know and im trying to join them.............lol
SpazticWabbit
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Navy seals are an extremely elite group of insanely well trained operatives.  Marines are simply ground troops which have higher training than the army.  The SEALs however are the single most elite unit in the American military and most of what they do will never be heard about since they do black ops.  The only real comparable American force would be the armys Delta Force.
[S.P.S]1on1killa
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what is the "army delta force"???
Bravery
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You're arguing to see if the Navy Seals are better then the USMC and you don't know who Delta Force is...
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LTD_SpikE wrote:

IMO you can not really compair the 2.  US Marines comprise everyone from front line soldiers to administrative personal.  Now someone in a administrative position will never be better trained then a Navy Seal, because they will never be put in the same position as a Seal would.

Would be better compairing the Army Rangers and Navy Seals, or (not sure for name for special forces Marines) and Navy Seals.

SpikE
US Army Ret.
Marine Force Recon is the USMC special forces and you are right that you can't compare the non-special forces marines to an elite group of special forces like the SEAL's.  the training that the SEAL's are put through is so intense that only a select few will make it to Hell Week, which is where the instructors will do everything in their power to try and make you quit.  those who make through Hell Week are the only ones that are deserving of the coveted SEAL 'Budweiser' pin.
BladeRunner
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It's like in the UK, we've got the SAS. Most of the general public don't know that we ALSO have the SBS.
As far as the SBS are concerned...'We do Everything the SAS do...but WE can walk on water'

Now, THERE'S the spirit
[1stSSF]=Nuka=
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Spaztic, don't agree with you...not about the SEALs...but about comparisons...

Navy SEALs, Marine ForceRecon, Army Rangers/Green Berets/etc., and even Air Force SST are all highly-trained specialist for various tasks.

SEALs inflitrate and disrupt...ForceRecon penetrates and relays...Rangers take a front-line assault personally...SSTs take out enemy airbases and secure them for friendly operations...

Americans should be PROUD that we have so many SpecOps specialists. I've had the pleasure of knowing and working with several and I wouldn't trust my life to anyone else in combat. Every service has their own ego invested in being the best...and most of them ARE the best in their area of specialty...

Delta, OTOH, is a multi-service entity that contains elements from most/all of our SpecOps communities. It is also not the only joint-force SpecOps here...
[S.P.S]1on1killa
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hey bravery, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what's wrong with me askin' if i don't know about something????  fuckin' pussy!!!!!!!

Last edited by [S.P.S]1on1killa (2005-11-14 10:29:21)

[1stSSF]=Nuka=
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[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

what is the "army delta force"???
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/D … ofile.html

It's a force focused on counter-terrorism and hostage rescue....
[S.P.S]1on1killa
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thx [1stSSF]=NUKA=
Horseman 77
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[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

hey bravery, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what's wrong with me askin' if i don't know about something????  fuckin' pussy!!!!!!!
you tell them son PS its spelled Killer
[S.P.S]1on1killa
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i didnt fell like writing "er" so i just took an "a" instead

lol
kilroy0097
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[1stSSF]=Nuka= wrote:

[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

what is the "army delta force"???
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/D … ofile.html

It's a force focused on counter-terrorism and hostage rescue....
From the above link:  Foreign counterterrorist units, such as (as might be expected) Britain's 22 SAS, France's GIGN, Germany's GSG-9, Israel's Sayeret Matkal/Unit 269, and Australia's own Special Air Service Regiment.

Now those are some forces we could see in future expansions of BF2. SAS of course are included in the SF expansion but none of the rest. Might be cool to see them esspecially the Israel Sayeret Matkal.
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Microsoftsam
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The best? I'll tell you who's the best, Spetsnaz (Russian Special Forces) are the best, hands down.
BladeRunner
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kilroy0097 wrote:

[1stSSF]=Nuka= wrote:

[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

what is the "army delta force"???
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/D … ofile.html

It's a force focused on counter-terrorism and hostage rescue....
From the above link:  Foreign counterterrorist units, such as (as might be expected) Britain's 22 SAS, France's GIGN, Germany's GSG-9, Israel's Sayeret Matkal/Unit 269, and Australia's own Special Air Service Regiment.

Now those are some forces we could see in future expansions of BF2. SAS of course are included in the SF expansion but none of the rest. Might be cool to see them esspecially the Israel Sayeret Matkal.
The link just gives me a 404
Bravery
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[1stSSF]=Nuka= wrote:

[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

what is the "army delta force"???
http://www.specialoperations.com/Army/D … ofile.html

It's a force focused on counter-terrorism and hostage rescue....
Wrong.
Bravery
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[S.P.S]1on1killa wrote:

hey bravery, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!  what's wrong with me askin' if i don't know about something????  fuckin' pussy!!!!!!!
10 year old idiot.
Sgt_Sieg
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I agree that you can't really compare SEALs to the Marines because their specialties are completely different. But if you were to have 10 SEALs and 10 Marines duke it out in any combat area, SEALs would win 9-0 if not 10-0. Mainly because their training is much more intense than Marines and they are taught how to use almost any weapon.
[FIS]-Thor
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well im trained soldier in teh austrian army.. in a force recon unit.

we had some trainigs with NATO troops and US forces where there...

whilst normal army is depending on their infrastructure the marines or a single MEU (marine expeditionary unit) can operate 30-40 days on their own in enemy terretory. they got their own lil army.. choppers LAVs and each MEU ahs a Force REcon detachment. wich is the most common unit to declare as Spec Ops in the Marines.  also each MEU is now Special Operations Detachable. Meaning they can provide Spec Ops but in another sense than the SEAL's or even 1st SFOD-Delta. SEALS have another spectrum of operations whilst Marines "mostly" go into fight with a platoon. the SEALs can operate from 1 man to 12 man in Boat squadrons which form in the end a platoon.

these are very specalised. each man has a special training in one aspect of the operations.. languages, techninc, demolitions, weapons, vehicles and so on... all are divers.. and can oiperate from sea to land and counterwise but they can also operate airborne.. which gives them the name SEa Air Land.

Army Delta was founded by Colonel Charles Beckworth in 1978, which is comparable to SEAL Team 6 (each SEAL team has a different kind of operations spectrum) for counter terror and hostage rescue,

back to the marines... Force Recon however is also a very elite Unit.. each Corporal can try to pass the tests, and if he doesnt fail he gets into a very unique unit.. the Marines themselves feel alone very special because they are one of the 5 main battle forces but with just a little more 174000 active duty marines. meaning they are the smallest of the forces. and are always the spearhead of most US interventions from 1775.

Force recon is a Recoinance Unit which provides Info about and behind enemy lines. trained with parachites and also diving these men can be compared to the SEALs.. still the SEALs have a better and speecialised training.  also we cannot forget about the Green Berets.. like wise Normal Army Special Forces,, from which the so called A-Teams are founded. They can be compared to SEAL in puncto specialisation but not in fighting style the Green Berets are more specialised than the SEALs in Languages and contacting local troops to organise fighting unit made out of Locals.

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