wyattwolf
Member
+2|6546|UK

-=raska=- wrote:

only if the target is already hurt...
doubt all 3 were injured running out of a spawn area and no artry had been used.

one shot one kill is how it should be, and not just head shot to get a kill

7.62 rounds are big and heavy and being hit by one will do the job...better realism would make for a better game, I mean who has heard of a sniper having to use their pistol to finish the target off!!! Wouldn't be in range for a pistol shot anyway....

.50 will stop a car by going through the engine block so a soldier with body armour will be no problem

Last edited by wyattwolf (2006-06-28 14:01:26)

-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6653|Quebec city, Canada
7.62 rounds are .30 cal which mean the caliber of ak's...

I dont think we should make ak's one-shot-kill weapons
wyattwolf
Member
+2|6546|UK
sadly the AK would be one shot one kill if the game were to be realistic, but the point about the sniper rifle is that it has way more range than the AK so thats why it should be a one shot and not have to go and shoot with a pistol as it states in the weapons gde in this site.

read Black Hawk Down and it tells us how one of the Delta lads uses a 7.62 ruger (think thats right) as the 5.56 rounds don't kill the natives when they are high on their drugs. Said that the 5.56 would pass through clean while a 7.62 makes bloody big holes.

I've fired the old British SLR rifle which was classed as the worlds most powerful assualt weapon in its day and it kicks like a mule, while the SA80 feels rubbish and not that much of a kick compared to the SLR. Bigger bullet bigger hole....way it should be my friend
[PHPR]-SpecialOps
Member
+18|6809|Your six is my twelve
JUST HIT THEIR HEAD!!!  It's a 1 shot kill in the head with any sniper, and a one or two shot kill in the head with every gun in the game.  Pistol to head.. 2 shot kill, g3 to head, one shot kill, pkm to head, one shot kill. There isn't a single gun in the game that takes more then 2 shots to kill some one with, unless you're aiming to blow their limbs off or hit them through Kevlar.
Mouse315
Bash.org Junkie
+105|6547

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

call of duty 2, 1 hit kills on the torso with sniper rifles
Is it really? I dont remember that, but it has been a while since I played CoD2
JVollmer82
Member
+3|6570|Germany

-=raska=- wrote:

7.62 rounds are .30 cal which mean the caliber of ak's...

I dont think we should make ak's one-shot-kill weapons
just because they both have 7.62 mm it is still not the same, the AK47 uses 7.62x39mm
sniper rifles use 7.62x51 mm (NATO standard) or bigger like 7.62x67mm

so there is quit a big difference
EarlOfBronze
A Wolf Among Lambs
+19|6547
Theres only 1 thing to say here,,,, HELL NO!!!!!!!!
The M95 is a great gun already, for the sake of balance it  should be left as is. There are already 2 many snipers running around. Realism is not a factor here because in real life u don't respawn after u die, a shiny spanner doesn't fix everything, running over a first aid kit doesn't cure bullet wounds and a tank driver cant put up a flag from inside the tank. Its a game not a sim people. Go play flashpoint if u want something closer to realism.
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6654|Warlord

wyattwolf wrote:

.50 will stop a car by going through the engine block so a soldier with body armour will be no problem
Depends on the armour


-=raska=- wrote:

7.62 rounds are .30 cal which mean the caliber of ak's...

I dont think we should make ak's one-shot-kill weapons
Same calibre does not mean equal, even the exact same bullet through two guns can perform quite differently (MP5 v. a handgun for example). These two bullets are different shapes and travel at very different speeds; remember the AK is a pure assault rifle, not a rifle, so it doesn't use a full-power rifle cartridge. 7.62mm x 51 is the NATO round, 7.62 x 39 is the Soviet-era round; the first has a muzzle velocity of around 830-840m/s, the second ~700m/s... very different beasts.


wyattwolf wrote:

sadly the AK would be one shot one kill if the game were to be realistic...
In the arm?

wyattwolf wrote:

I've fired the old British SLR rifle which was classed as the worlds most powerful assualt weapon in its day and it kicks like a mule, while the SA80 feels rubbish and not that much of a kick compared to the SLR. Bigger bullet bigger hole....way it should be my friend
That's 7.62mm versus piddly little 5.56 for you. Small calibre has its own set of strengths and weaknesses but fundamentally a heavy bullet is better when it comes to wounding potential, even if it's slower.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6653|Quebec city, Canada

Todd_Angelo wrote:

Same calibre does not mean equal, even the exact same bullet through two guns can perform quite differently (MP5 v. a handgun for example). These two bullets are different shapes and travel at very different speeds; remember the AK is a pure assault rifle, not a rifle, so it doesn't use a full-power rifle cartridge. 7.62mm x 51 is the NATO round, 7.62 x 39 is the Soviet-era round; the first has a muzzle velocity of around 830-840m/s, the second ~700m/s... very different beasts.
You are right, I forgot about velocity and lenght
lord_tyler_486
Member
+54|6779|Upper Franconia
HELL NO and btw there are soo many threads about this. And it has been rejected for good reasons.
specialistx2324
hahahahahhaa
+244|6716|arica harbour

Kissmybumper wrote:

Im tired of sniping sometimes with the M95. I hit te guy he lose only 95% of his health. Its a FREAKIN .50 cal for goodness sakes. I doubt anybody in real life who gets hit by that sucker in the body is gone.
I agree with you, snipers should be one shot one kill masters regardless of a headshot or a chestshot .

M95 is antimaterial to you noobs out there. you can shoot a pilot throught the cockpit but you can kill an assault class that has body armor on with a chest shot. Whats wrong with that picture.

But there is another point of having a non kill chest shot. i would appreciate it if i get some karma points if i say something like the following:

1) we all know before that people would kill by noob tubing. Basically you can kill one person with one grenade or several players clumped together with one grenade. And what was the end result, everyone was using assault and everytime you were in a shootout against this class, all they do is noob tube like a madman....end result is a bunch of assault kits noob tubing of each other.  Basically they abused the kit too much., Now the noob tubing has died down.

2)  Everyone used to throw c4 and fast chuck before with spec ops. As a result, people were c4 throwing like there is no tomorrow. That is the reason why everyone was using spec ops.

3) Assuming FF is off in a server, people are dying faster with claymores than bullets. In a CQB , you see snipers doing suicide runs throwing claymores like there is not tomorrow. Now everyone wants to be a sniper and claywhore the whole entire round.



Yes i agree that a sniper should have a one shot one kill especially a chest shot. but what happens when they become one shot one kill in the chest masters.? simple, everyone is going to be a sniper.  basically , there is no point being out there in the open or taking out flags.

It boils down to kit abuse, that is the main point of what i am saying to day.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6653|Quebec city, Canada
I think that if it was like cod, it would be just fine (one shot kill in the upper half of the torso, where the sternum is and above)

and it Cod, there are some maps where snipers are more popular but most of the time players dont abuse.
d3v1ldr1v3r13
Satan's disciple on Earth.
+160|6712|Hell's prison
someone had a good idea on one post about this, he suggested a knockdown, where it made you go prone for 2 seconds or so, that would be a good idea at the very least.
MrE`158
Member
+103|6650
How come whenever this topic comes up everyone says "It's a .50cal, FFS!  One hit should take a man out of the game!", but no one ever suggests that the same should be true of every other bullet.

I mean, seriously, if a 7.62mm round enters your torso, be it from an AK or a sniper-style rifle, do you really think you're going to go "Gee, that hurt, luckily I've still got two-thirds of my blood left, I'll just keep on fighting exactly as I did before"  Realism?  Don't think so.  Hell, even a pistol round is going to fuck you up.  Someone puts a 9mm round into your thigh and we'll see how much running around you do afterwards.

I've never served in the military, and don't know much about the body armour modern soldiers wear, but I'm pretty sure that the idea of modern armour is to slow a bullet down enough so that the soldier can survive the hit.  I mean, I'm sure good body armour will stop some small arms fire altogether, but even then you're going to have serious bruising or broken ribs, right?


Sorry for the rant, but it pisses me off when people go on about how the M95 should kill in one hit, but don't say the same about other rounds.  Now, I realise that it's a lot easier to survive when you've been hit by 7.62 or 5.56, but those wounds will still reduce you from Combatant to Casualty.  Battlefield 2 is not an accurate simulation of a combat.  If you want realism, go join the army.
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6653|Quebec city, Canada
body armours are quiet surprising sometimes, Ive seen a video of an american medic being shot by a Dragunov and he got knockdown, but after 2 secondds got up and hid behind his humvee. The article said he hadnt suffered serious injuries
iPoon.be
Internet Poon
+145|6556|Belgium

.:ronin:.|Patton wrote:

call of duty, call of duty 2, day of defeat, counterstrike, medal of honor, all 1 hit kills on the torso with sniper rifles, go play one of those please.
Just about every weapon in day of defeat kills in one shot (headshot for the automatics)
thats why i bought bf2
Todd_Angelo
Leukocyte
+336|6654|Warlord

-=raska=- wrote:

body armours are quiet surprising sometimes, Ive seen a video of an american medic being shot by a Dragunov and he got knockdown, but after 2 secondds got up and hid behind his humvee. The article said he hadnt suffered serious injuries
I've seen someone test the myth of knock-down power by being shot in the chest (with 7.62mm NATO I'm pretty sure, I think the gun was an FN) wearing one of those armoured vests like the bomb-disposal guys use.

He stood on one foot.

The impact rocked him back slightly (just like the shooter... duh, Newton's third law).

His exact words were, "Less than a punch."
-=raska=-
Canada's French Frog
+123|6653|Quebec city, Canada
ok but I saw the real video of it, filmed by the Iraqi sniper himself...

anyway you may be right too, my post was about the fact that body armours are stronger than we think against .22 and .30 rounds so we have the same opinion

Last edited by -=raska=- (2006-06-29 17:17:28)

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