Because China isn't Communistcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
if taiwan always has been part of china... why aint i a damn commie yet?
Notice how when PRC got a seat on the UN, ROC lost one. Doesn't that strike you as awfully coincidental?
Notice how when PRC got a seat on the UN, ROC lost one. Doesn't that strike you as awfully coincidental?
uhh... Yeah it is...Bubbalo wrote:
Because China isn't Communistcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
if taiwan always has been part of china... why aint i a damn commie yet?
PRC= ppls republic of china, and if they added ppls republic in any name = commie.Bubbalo wrote:
Because China isn't Communistcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
if taiwan always has been part of china... why aint i a damn commie yet?
Notice how when PRC got a seat on the UN, ROC lost one. Doesn't that strike you as awfully coincidental?
we never lost our seat, chiang kai shek bailed out of UN coz china got a seat, and now ppl are w/ china coz its a larger economical powerhouse than taiwan, and every nation wants to be allies w/ the big player
Yes I have seen Crash and yes I was implying that perhaps diversity was a cause but not neccessarily the only one.Badrism wrote:
Diversity is the reason man - have you seen "Crash" movie -, and the so called "freedom"!! - there is no limits,Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
All I can say is wow. Well, it is the most diverse country in the world but that doesn't explain the rapes. Or the murders for that matter...
"I want this and I want it now no matter how!!!" is the concept.
the numbers in one years are 6 times higher than USA's dead soldgers in "the War on Terror" since it is started!!!!!
I think Mr. Bush is fighting the wrong war. This is real Irony !!!!
Bubbalo wrote:
Because China isn't Communistcyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
if taiwan always has been part of china... why aint i a damn commie yet?
Notice how when PRC got a seat on the UN, ROC lost one. Doesn't that strike you as awfully coincidental?
Now what is it that you don't understand?wikipedia.org wrote:
The Communist Party of China (CPC) has led the PRC under a one-party system since the country's establishment in 1949.
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The fact that they call themselves Communist doesn't mean they are. Same goes for USSR. Regardless, if we're going to keep going with this we ought start a new thread.
I don't see why they would call themselves comunists when they aren't...Bubbalo wrote:
The fact that they call themselves Communist doesn't mean they are. Same goes for USSR. Regardless, if we're going to keep going with this we ought start a new thread.
ok u start a new thread... they are still communists or socialists... same thing... if china aint a commie nation then why do they censor information? u get arrestesd if u dont agree w/ the governmentBubbalo wrote:
The fact that they call themselves Communist doesn't mean they are. Same goes for USSR. Regardless, if we're going to keep going with this we ought start a new thread.
Communism is an economice theory you twit.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
ok u start a new thread... they are still communists or socialists... same thing... if china aint a commie nation then why do they censor information? u get arrestesd if u dont agree w/ the government
Because it made people happy? Because they originally intended to but didn't? Because they used to be (according to some) and now aren't? How the fuck should I know. Iraq called itself a Democratic Republic under Saddam, IIRC, but it wasn't.Jenspm wrote:
I don't see why they would call themselves comunists when they aren't...
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That's pretty obvious. They want to stay in power. Best way to stay in power is by cutting the throats of any dissent that may pop up.
It works beautifully. Chinese govt. has been in power for 50 years and is still going. USSR managed to put in 70 years before it folded. Castro still seems to be in power after goodness knows how long. There's absolutely no chance Kim Jong Il will get debunked (unless someone shoots him. In which case you'll have the same thing with another ego-leader).
It works beautifully. Chinese govt. has been in power for 50 years and is still going. USSR managed to put in 70 years before it folded. Castro still seems to be in power after goodness knows how long. There's absolutely no chance Kim Jong Il will get debunked (unless someone shoots him. In which case you'll have the same thing with another ego-leader).
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Castro still has a lot of public support, though.Spark wrote:
Castro still seems to be in power after goodness knows how long.
Bubbalo wrote:
Communism is an economice theory you twit.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
ok u start a new thread... they are still communists or socialists... same thing... if china aint a commie nation then why do they censor information? u get arrestesd if u dont agree w/ the government
Again, what is it that is so hard to understand?wikipedia.org wrote:
Communist states:
The Soviet Union
People's Republic of China
Cuba · Vietnam
Laos · North Korea
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he was the only decent commie leader though.Bubbalo wrote:
Castro still has a lot of public support, though.Spark wrote:
Castro still seems to be in power after goodness knows how long.
i wish kim jong-ill gets shot
Oh, well if wikipedia says it it must be true, despite the fact that neither the USSR nor the PRC have stuck to Communist principles when it didn't suit them.Jenspm wrote:
Again, what is it that is so hard to understand?
Re Castro: Yeah, well, he may not be the best leader, but he was better than Batista.
Well, Tito was better. He was the only person to have any measure of success in calming Yugoslavia down.cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:
he was the only decent commie leader though.Bubbalo wrote:
Castro still has a lot of public support, though.Spark wrote:
Castro still seems to be in power after goodness knows how long.
i wish kim jong-ill gets shot
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
And he stuck it to Stalin to boot!
so what ? Even so-called democratic countries tend to forget their democratic principles once in a while when it suits their interests ( see gitmo, wiretapping, CIA prisoner transports, etc ).Bubbalo wrote:
Oh, well if wikipedia says it it must be true, despite the fact that neither the USSR nor the PRC have stuck to Communist principles when it didn't suit them.Jenspm wrote:
Again, what is it that is so hard to understand?
they remain democracies.
and although china has strong capitalist tendencies as far as their economy is concerned, they remain a communist state. communism is more of a political ideology, not necessarily a form of state economy.
these days, the distinctions are not that easy any more.
- form of government
- political ideology
- economic system
all tend to get mixed up theese days...
but we are straying off topic again...
BWHAHA plz america isnt that bad. Here in South Africa a women is raped every 10 seconds, as the stats say. and murders...we have 25000+ every year. so please, you have it easy. Kids here cant every play in the street even in the safest suburb.
But these are all done by elected governmentsB.Schuss wrote:
so what ? Even so-called democratic countries tend to forget their democratic principles once in a while when it suits their interests ( see gitmo, wiretapping, CIA prisoner transports, etc ).
Not it isn't. Totalitarianism is a political ideology which most (all?) self-proclaimed Communist states have ascribed to. Few (none that I'm aware of) have actually been Communist states.B.Schuss wrote:
communism is more of a political ideology, not necessarily a form of state economy.
Yeah, it'd be good if we could shift all these posts into a new thread.......B.Schuss wrote:
but we are straying off topic again...
Kimosabe: The difference is SA doesn't go around "rescuing" the world.
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....which of course makes those wrongs "right" again ? please....Bubbalo wrote:
But these are all done by elected governmentsB.Schuss wrote:
so what ? Even so-called democratic countries tend to forget their democratic principles once in a while when it suits their interests ( see gitmo, wiretapping, CIA prisoner transports, etc ).
It's not the form of government that makes the difference, it is the people who govern / rule you.
It may have been established that democracy has the biggest potential to lead to a open and free society, but it certainly ain't a guarantee.
Hitler was elected, and the current President of Iran also came to power through a democratic election. Yet, both are not really poster-boys for democratic leaders, are they ?
The definition of a democract is a nation which elects it's government (originally a nation which put all things to a vote, but the Athenians learned the folly of that). A country can be as kind or as nasty as it likes, fact is if it has an elected government it is a democracy. Hitler was originally a democratic leader, before he outlawed all parties except the Nazi party, and then abolished democracy all together.
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This Democratic nation business has been blurred IMO. When a government is elected, its duty is do do what the people want them to do. Some nations have massive Spin departments (a relatively new phenomenon) who's sole job is to change the publics opinion to what the government want to do. Infact they aren't then doing what the people want, they are doing what THEY want. This isn't true democracy.Bubbalo wrote:
The definition of a democract is a nation which elects it's government (originally a nation which put all things to a vote, but the Athenians learned the folly of that). A country can be as kind or as nasty as it likes, fact is if it has an elected government it is a democracy. Hitler was originally a democratic leader, before he outlawed all parties except the Nazi party, and then abolished democracy all together.
From listening to alot of the second hand opinions I hear on these boards these spin departments are doing a dam good job and justifies the millions rerouted from health care and education to fund them.
Provided the government is elected, it's a Democracy, no matter how mean they are. Same as no matter how nice a Totalitarian government is, it's still Totalitarian.
damn straightBubbalo wrote:
Provided the government is elected, it's a Democracy, no matter how mean they are. Same as no matter how nice a Totalitarian government is, it's still Totalitarian.
but china is a commie nation end of story. i think we should start a new thread... i think we turned americas death to commies i blame bubbalo
good 'ole America!