Husker~ifh~
Beer Consumption Expert
+25|6933|Beerville, USA
11B40P, and anyone who lives in this country (U.S.), finding refuge under our national colors, spewing their anti-war/military redirect by right of the first amendment, having never served or even visited a war torn country to see first hand it's affects, should catch the first flight hopping with a one way ticket to Never Never Land because that's where your living with your mindsets.

"Next time you see a soldier, Thank them for giving you an opinion"
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6846
people just want attention
[pWa]Recon
Member
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for sure.

~Recon
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6759

Husker~ifh~ wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Or we could just admit that our military is filled with degenerates that get off on killing anything because frankly, that's all we can manage to recruit at this point.
Well having been and Army Recruiter before and recruiting over 100+ individuals into the Army, all post 911, can assure you, YOUR WRONG!!!  But your pathetic little response is just another example of a mindless being who read an article or watched a news program that highlighted the Army or other services having problems getting recruits, more than likely.  Hmmmm, that's odd though because I've heard/read those same stories and yet the Army is year to date with it's accessions mission?  To go along with that, over 68% of the recruits I put in the Army scored on average of 55 or higher on the qualification test with is about 10 over the national average.  Should I go on... I could but why... to a Fuckstick like yourself it would be a pointless argument since you've made your decision solely based on hear say.

BTW, if your country is in such dire need of quality recruits who gleam with impeccable character, such as yourself, why are you not in line to enlist and serve your country?  Would this not ensure future incidents of this caliber would never, ever, never happen again?

Until then STFU and -1 for having no pride in your country or it's representative's...
As much as I am in agreement with Ikarti being an assumptious fool, I am also in disagreement that, were he to be correct, one unabberational soul would not sway a massive degeneracy.

Regardless, your pointing out high test scores has nothing to do with "proper ethics" of the recruit. The simple resolution to such an idiotic response is that such a claim is entirely baseless, unknowable, and clouded with a great assumptious bias.

Cougar wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

[pWa]Recon wrote:

do you have anything constructive to say... no then stfu... good god i hate morons, but the planet needs people to clean up shit.... i guess.. hey moron... how many people do you think have seen this video????? i am willing to bet that it is more then just the people on this forum, however, if you keep posting it, more people will see it... if someone cut off your head, would you want your mummy and daddy to see it out on the internet, in more and more places everyday... i didn't think so...


~Recon
I've already replied with contribution and construction. If you've somehow developed such a state of obliviousness that this need be pointed out, you're without a worth deserving time.

(P.S. Funny you reference my "cleaning up shit". True though, I think I do a very good job. To the objective onlooker, I provide quite an avenue of lucidity into the topics at hand, that of which...you arguably are unable to do.)
Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory?  If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me.  Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter.  Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.

1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them.  That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own.  Get over yourselves.

2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are.  Say you peace and fucking be done with it.  People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.

I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?

3. It's annoying.  Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it.  Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people?  Stop sending me messages about these two idiots.  So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.

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Back to Haditha

My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example.  They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war.  They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage.  They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations?  Something we cannot do in return.  What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around?  Whom we cannot attack.  What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules?  It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.

I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes.  They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target.  Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious.  Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason.  Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink.  A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night.  All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye.  It was probably a reflex.  I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid.  You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.

[pWa]Recon wrote:

moron... that is all i can say moron... you must keep that quick wit of yours sharp by attempting to insult your dog, or please god forbid children (if you contaminate the world further), because they are the only mammals that you are smarter then.

~Recon
Good analogy...Recon -> dog...similar on quite a few levels

Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-12 18:52:58)

Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6912|Wilmington, DE, US

Husker~ifh~ wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Or we could just admit that our military is filled with degenerates that get off on killing anything because frankly, that's all we can manage to recruit at this point.
Well having been and Army Recruiter before and recruiting over 100+ individuals into the Army, all post 911, can assure you, YOUR WRONG!!!  But your pathetic little response is just another example of a mindless being who read an article or watched a news program that highlighted the Army or other services having problems getting recruits, more than likely.  Hmmmm, that's odd though because I've heard/read those same stories and yet the Army is year to date with it's accessions mission?  To go along with that, over 68% of the recruits I put in the Army scored on average of 55 or higher on the qualification test with is about 10 over the national average.  Should I go on... I could but why... to a Fuckstick like yourself it would be a pointless argument since you've made your decision solely based on hear say.

BTW, if your country is in such dire need of quality recruits who gleam with impeccable character, such as yourself, why are you not in line to enlist and serve your country?  Would this not ensure future incidents of this caliber would never, ever, never happen again?

Until then STFU and -1 for having no pride in your country or it's representative's...
Mindless? As opposed to someone who just spews pro-war rhetoric? As opposed to someone who doesn't know me but makes a hell of a lot of assumptions? Isn't part of the military indoctrination? -1 for being a total moron.

Since you're a recruiter, is there a question that asks "Should you kill children?" I don't think there is, but there should be.

As far as why don't I enlist? Why would I want to be around said degenerates, and why would I want to go kill people in a country we have no business being in?
JohnnyBlanco
Member
+44|6773|England
I thought gunslingers opening post was bullshit, but Cougars last reply has swayed my mind, you've got a point there. I think the beheading link was uncalled for though, thats a horrific video and genuinley made me queesy. And muslims wonder why their becoming alienated from the west???? Cultures capable of that should be e-fucking-radicated.

Last edited by JohnnyBlanco (2006-06-12 18:55:41)

Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
+231|6912|Wilmington, DE, US

[pWa]Recon wrote:

Husker~ifh~ wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Or we could just admit that our military is filled with degenerates that get off on killing anything because frankly, that's all we can manage to recruit at this point.
Well having been and Army Recruiter before and recruiting over 100+ individuals into the Army, all post 911, can assure you, YOUR WRONG!!!  But your pathetic little response is just another example of a mindless being who read an article or watched a news program that highlighted the Army or other services having problems getting recruits, more than likely.  Hmmmm, that's odd though because I've heard/read those same stories and yet the Army is year to date with it's accessions mission?  To go along with that, over 68% of the recruits I put in the Army scored on average of 55 or higher on the qualification test with is about 10 over the national average.  Should I go on... I could but why... to a Fuckstick like yourself it would be a pointless argument since you've made your decision solely based on hear say.

BTW, if your country is in such dire need of quality recruits who gleam with impeccable character, such as yourself, why are you not in line to enlist and serve your country?  Would this not ensure future incidents of this caliber would never, ever, never happen again?

Until then STFU and -1 for having no pride in your country or it's representative's...
can i get a HOOAH sgt

there are a few ppl in here that are making valid points... however... we seam to have a bunch of anti-war fucking bleeding pussy's here... on a "Battle Field" forum.... they like the fact that the video game shows death and destruction, however have no intestinal fortitude for the real McCoy.

11B V2

~Recon
You know, because war is such a positive thing. But as I said, some people are just degenerates who enjoy the act of killing.
spastic bullet
would like to know if you are on crack
+77|6743|vancouver
I'm confused.  Aren't the investigations still in progress?  I remember reading a post on this board a while back and agreeing with the level heads who didn't jump to conclusions.  Does everybody still feel the same way?
[pWa]Recon
Member
+27|6978

Ikarti wrote:

[pWa]Recon wrote:

Husker~ifh~ wrote:


Well having been and Army Recruiter before and recruiting over 100+ individuals into the Army, all post 911, can assure you, YOUR WRONG!!!  But your pathetic little response is just another example of a mindless being who read an article or watched a news program that highlighted the Army or other services having problems getting recruits, more than likely.  Hmmmm, that's odd though because I've heard/read those same stories and yet the Army is year to date with it's accessions mission?  To go along with that, over 68% of the recruits I put in the Army scored on average of 55 or higher on the qualification test with is about 10 over the national average.  Should I go on... I could but why... to a Fuckstick like yourself it would be a pointless argument since you've made your decision solely based on hear say.

BTW, if your country is in such dire need of quality recruits who gleam with impeccable character, such as yourself, why are you not in line to enlist and serve your country?  Would this not ensure future incidents of this caliber would never, ever, never happen again?

Until then STFU and -1 for having no pride in your country or it's representative's...
can i get a HOOAH sgt

there are a few ppl in here that are making valid points... however... we seam to have a bunch of anti-war fucking bleeding pussy's here... on a "Battle Field" forum.... they like the fact that the video game shows death and destruction, however have no intestinal fortitude for the real McCoy.

11B V2

~Recon
You know, because war is such a positive thing. But as I said, some people are just degenerates who enjoy the act of killing.
yet another moron.... enjoy killing.... only a beast whould do such... and to say that a soldier (leaving your attack on me out of this), an 18 YEAR OLD soldier would enjoy killing is just RE TARD ED... dee dee dee...

until you are faced with a "fight or flight" micro-second in time, just a fraction of a second, you have no idea how you will react, have you ever killed a man? if so did you enjoy it? how about this.... DO YOU FUCKING THINK THAT I CAN EVEN ENJOY A BOWL OF OATMEAL ANYMORE!!!!! NO ASS HOLE, IT LOOKS LIKE FUCKING BRAINS.... now that you have really ruined my night.... a quite fuck you and i am off....

~Recon

Rangers lead the way.
[pWa]Recon
Member
+27|6978
Look for my poll......

~Recon
Husker~ifh~
Beer Consumption Expert
+25|6933|Beerville, USA

Ikarti wrote:

Since you're a recruiter, is there a question that asks "Should you kill children?" I don't think there is, but there should be.
Actually yes there is, it's goes like this: Are you now or have you ever been a conscientious objector? < meaning you take issue with carrying a weapon or being put in a situation of having to defend yourself by using deadly force.  BTW, you can still serve in the Army if you are one with approval from the commanding general.

Ikarti wrote:

As far as why don't I enlist? Why would I want to be around said degenerates, and why would I want to go kill people in a country we have no business being in?
So you have no sense of duty to your country, I'm not surprised to say the least.  I've served in the Army for 15 years and have yet to come across this massive pool of degenerates you speak of, I only see these individuals, well... in people like you!  We have no business being there, sure, then that would go for the other 120+ countries our military forces are deployed in around the world 24/7.

I'm sure you ideals are solid and you stand firmly behind them, which is good, hat's off.  They are obviously different than mine but hey, your WELCOME, I'm proud to serve and afford you that right, no problem.  Just answer me one question:

If you received a phone call tomorrow that your parents had just been murdered by whomever for whatever reason what would you do and what would you want done?
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6846
During my years in the army I could honestly say That I have met the best, smartest, funniest individuals that this country has to offer.  I learned that no single group of people are inferior, racism is stupid. It was the only time in my life where I knew I was able to go into a bad situation and know that i will get as much support from my buddies as possible because there with me too. 

The soldier i is made of a higher calbre of character/responsibility/common sense than your average citizen.
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6759

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

During my years in the army I could honestly say That I have met the best, smartest, funniest individuals that this country has to offer.  I learned that no single group of people are inferior, racism is stupid. It was the only time in my life where I knew I was able to go into a bad situation and know that i will get as much support from my buddies as possible because there with me too. 

The soldier i is made of a higher calbre of character/responsibility/common sense than your average citizen.
I highly doubt that you met the smartest individuals that the US has to offer. You sound like some fanboy absorbed in fanciful, grandiose perceptions. A deep brooding would largely prove your charge of "no inferiority between ethnic groupings" to be in the wrong. And also, to suggest that (American [if not any other modern community's]) militaristic experience furthers the mind to levels beyond that of the average citizen is just completely fawking bogus. Read "thoughtless fanboyisms" & "fanciful, grandiose perception". Come the freak on man.
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6967|Dallas

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory?  If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me.  Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter.  Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.

1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them.  That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own.  Get over yourselves.

2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are.  Say you peace and fucking be done with it.  People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.

I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?

3. It's annoying.  Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it.  Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people?  Stop sending me messages about these two idiots.  So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.

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Back to Haditha

My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example.  They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war.  They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage.  They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations?  Something we cannot do in return.  What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around?  Whom we cannot attack.  What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules?  It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.

I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes.  They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target.  Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious.  Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason.  Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink.  A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night.  All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye.  It was probably a reflex.  I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid.  You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.
Thank you for confirming in one sentence, what I said in the above quote.  I disagree with Xietsu and therfore I am a blind. pro-american, ignorant, ill-conceived assumptious person.  Excuse the FUCK out of me for having an opinion.  Also,

1. Blind.  Not so much, been through the training, had friends go and come back to tell me.  As opposed to your insight....but, what exactly IS your insight?  What have you experienced?  Who do you know?  What do YOU know that I don't, after all, I am the blind one, so please do tell.

2. Pro-American.  Hell yeah.  Problem?

3. Assumption.  As far as I'm concerned, it's ALL assumption.  The only people who know for sure are the marines that were in that house that night, I don't believe you were one of them so the best comment you could EVER come back with on the subject would be mere "assumption". 

4. Ill-Conceived.  Ill-conceived?  So I guess the dormitory I lived in while I was in the USAF where people coming back from deployments would tell us stories about it over there.  In your opinion they have no idea what they were talking about.  One of my high-school buddies thats over there sending back letters to me every month or so, has NO IDEA, what he is talking about.  One of my best friends Recon, an ex-Army Ranger who's been deeper in the shit than probably anyone on this forum, has no idea what he is talking about.  But when I relay the information they give me personally onto this forum, you say it is "Ill conceived"?  I think your train of thought is ill conceived friend.

5.Ignorant.  I believe after 6 pages of Xietsu and the 4 reasons I stated above, we can all come to the conclusion about who the "ignorant" one is here.


And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7009|Orlando, FL - Age 43

[pWa]Recon wrote:

and to Darth_Fleder, please edit the link from your post as not to popularize this mans brutal death anymore then it has be already.
~Recon
It was not lightly that I hit the submit to enter that post. I debated over it for more than an hour. In no way was it meant to 'popularize' his brutal death but to expose people to the brutal truth and open their eyes and perhaps, snap them into reality. My sincere condolences to the family of Mr. Armstrong, however, if it was my son (and I have three) I would want the world to know the brutal nature of these animals and feel the same horror that you experienced. This is the brutal truth we are not commonly exposed to in our sanitized news, one that our soldiers face every day.

JohnnyBlanco wrote:

... but Cougars last reply has swayed my mind, you've got a point there. I think the beheading link was uncalled for though, thats a horrific video and genuinley made me queesy. And muslims wonder why their becoming alienated from the west???? Cultures capable of that should be e-fucking-radicated.
That video is just ONE incident in a very, very long line of brutal acts carried out by these butchers worldwide. Does anybody remember Qusay Hussein with his wood-chipping machine and acid vats? He liked to feed them in feet first, alive. Now imagine a video of that. Or Uday, killing over 1,000 political prisoners simply to make room for more. Throwing people off of three story buildings. What about the lives taken in the Madrid train and London subway bombings? Or taking plane-loads of passengers and turning them into flaming missiles targeted at highly populated areas? I could go on and on in this vein. If we leave now or give in to the pressure of those who believe that we cannot win, these butchers will have won. They will regain their positions of power by using these brutal methods to coerce their own people as they have done in the past. It is one thing to read about these incidents and quite another to see one in all it's brutality.
*sanitized link* http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060610/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
Now that you have seen that video, you can much more appreciate what is going on between the lines.

Now think back to the photos I posted after the video link. Can YOU tell who the insurgents are and who the civilians are? This is what coalition forces face on a daily basis. Cougar was exactly right, our soldiers do not deliberately target civilians. They wear uniforms in the open. They do not operate military operations from hospitals and mosques. Not so the insurgents. They hide like the cowards they are amongst women and children. And now, with this rush to judgment there are those who would hamstring our forces and make it that much more difficult for them to do their job. We are NOT the bad guys.

I'll tell you, as horrifying and nauseating as that video was, some of the opinions expressed in this forum are just as heinous. To read the opinions of people who sit back in the comfort of their own homes sanctimoniously claiming outrage for the deeply regrettable loss of civilian life in the campaign to stamp these butchers out at times makes me sicker than when I watched that video. Every time you protest the actions taken by the coalition forces, you lend support to their cause, wittingly or not. Why do you think they hide in the civilian population? They want civilian casualties so as to inflame sympathy and disgust and to foment a desire to pull out the troops. This is the outcome that Saddam (the Butcher of Baghdad) Hussein predicted before the outbreak of the war.


Think about that video the next time you read about a subway being blown up, or a train, or a bus load of people going about their daily lives.

Last edited by Darth_Fleder (2006-06-12 20:41:37)

Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7009|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Xietsu wrote:

Truthfully, I know not of the placements and exact run-down of the situation, so I can't judge in any way. Could there be a conspiracy to cover up foul play? Could the marines have acted with a lack of discretion? Could the marines have acted justifiably so? Honestly, I just can't judge.

But one thing I am concerned about is by what reasoning these attacks and desecration were taken (against the contractors in Fallujah)? Ugh. Disrespect for human life pisses me off so fucking much. I can't fucking stand it. That beheading...just instills such supreme fucking fury in me, against these psycho-fundamentalist worthless sacks of shit.
I think that Xietsu deserves a little credit for this post.
Crash727
Member
+12|6844|NH, USA
I am going to jump in and back up GunSlinger, Husker, Recon & Cougar on this one.  It's just too bad that narrow-minded individuals such as Xietsu and Bubbalo exist on this planet.  I support those Marines 100%.  It's war, shit happens.  If everyone played by the rules, this kind of thing would not have happened.  If these two idiots know so much about military tactics, why don't you: #1. enlist, #2. request duty in Iraq, #3. go on patrol, and #4. when told to clear a building, STICK YOUR USELESS HEAD IN THE DOOR OR WINDOW FIRST!!!  Then, and ONLY then, may you give an opinion.  If you still have a head.

-Crash727

332D Air Expeditionary Group - OSW '00-'01
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6967|Dallas

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Truthfully, I know not of the placements and exact run-down of the situation, so I can't judge in any way. Could there be a conspiracy to cover up foul play? Could the marines have acted with a lack of discretion? Could the marines have acted justifiably so? Honestly, I just can't judge.

But one thing I am concerned about is by what reasoning these attacks and desecration were taken (against the contractors in Fallujah)? Ugh. Disrespect for human life pisses me off so fucking much. I can't fucking stand it. That beheading...just instills such supreme fucking fury in me, against these psycho-fundamentalist worthless sacks of shit.
I think that Xietsu deserves a little credit for this post.
Yes, I agree.  It is probably the only post that he is ever written that I fully agree with and one of the few that wasn't attacking someone.

Good job Xietsu on one post.
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6759

Cougar wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory?  If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me.  Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter.  Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.

1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them.  That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own.  Get over yourselves.

2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are.  Say you peace and fucking be done with it.  People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.

I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?

3. It's annoying.  Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it.  Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people?  Stop sending me messages about these two idiots.  So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.

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Back to Haditha

My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example.  They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war.  They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage.  They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations?  Something we cannot do in return.  What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around?  Whom we cannot attack.  What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules?  It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.

I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes.  They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target.  Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious.  Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason.  Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink.  A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night.  All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye.  It was probably a reflex.  I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid.  You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.
Thank you for confirming in one sentence, what I said in the above quote.  I disagree with Xietsu and therfore I am a blind. pro-american, ignorant, ill-conceived assumptious person.  Excuse the FUCK out of me for having an opinion.  Also,

1. Blind.  Not so much, been through the training, had friends go and come back to tell me.  As opposed to your insight....but, what exactly IS your insight?  What have you experienced?  Who do you know?  What do YOU know that I don't, after all, I am the blind one, so please do tell.

2. Pro-American.  Hell yeah.  Problem?

3. Assumption.  As far as I'm concerned, it's ALL assumption.  The only people who know for sure are the marines that were in that house that night, I don't believe you were one of them so the best comment you could EVER come back with on the subject would be mere "assumption". 

4. Ill-Conceived.  Ill-conceived?  So I guess the dormitory I lived in while I was in the USAF where people coming back from deployments would tell us stories about it over there.  In your opinion they have no idea what they were talking about.  One of my high-school buddies thats over there sending back letters to me every month or so, has NO IDEA, what he is talking about.  One of my best friends Recon, an ex-Army Ranger who's been deeper in the shit than probably anyone on this forum, has no idea what he is talking about.  But when I relay the information they give me personally onto this forum, you say it is "Ill conceived"?  I think your train of thought is ill conceived friend.

5.Ignorant.  I believe after 6 pages of Xietsu and the 4 reasons I stated above, we can all come to the conclusion about who the "ignorant" one is here.


And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.
Once again you let us all know of your great inability to properly comprehend English. The idea behind grouping such previous descriptors amongst eachother, is to identify their respective roles amongst one another. It is not proper to isolate them as such and then attempt to claim that I have somehow done so in the wrong when you can't even grasp that one fact. The point is that you have forged some whacked out idea of what you think happened in Haditha. Yeah, that's called an assumptious, blind, pro-American dumb fuck. Darth Fleder sums up the only stance you can take regarding this matter when he makes reference to my quote--specifically, the first 3 sentences before questioning the reasoning behind the Fallujah attacks.

Cougar wrote:

Darth_Fleder wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Truthfully, I know not of the placements and exact run-down of the situation, so I can't judge in any way. Could there be a conspiracy to cover up foul play? Could the marines have acted with a lack of discretion? Could the marines have acted justifiably so? Honestly, I just can't judge.

But one thing I am concerned about is by what reasoning these attacks and desecration were taken (against the contractors in Fallujah)? Ugh. Disrespect for human life pisses me off so fucking much. I can't fucking stand it. That beheading...just instills such supreme fucking fury in me, against these psycho-fundamentalist worthless sacks of shit.
I think that Xietsu deserves a little credit for this post.
Yes, I agree.  It is probably the only post that he is ever written that I fully agree with and one of the few that wasn't attacking someone.

Good job Xietsu on one post.
Kind of ironic how you were able to pull out some shred of my assertion that I have some supreme knowledge of militaristic maneuvers (in case you didn't catch it, ironic because it is yet another citation for your inability to comprehend). Regardless, you refute your whole post when you note your full agreement for the post mentioned by Fleder. Instead of concocting some whole assload of bullshit, I present the only perception that is truth. And thus, the only acceptable, logical one. lmao. Can't believe some fools were deluded into supporting such an idiot.

*Please Crash727, explain to me how I have been narrow-minded in the least.

Awkward that you were able to muster some backing behind such a damn dolt, Fleder--doesn't seem fitting that you actually take in what I've had to say and then still see it logical, rational, reasonable, or feasible to side with Cougar.

Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-12 21:06:38)

Cougar
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+1,962|6967|Dallas

Xietsu wrote:

Once again you let us all know of your great inability to properly comprehend English. The idea behind grouping such previous descriptors amongst eachother, is to identify their respective roles amongst one another. It is not proper to isolate them as such and then attempt to claim that I have somehow done so in the wrong when you can't even grasp that one fact. The point is that you have forged some whacked out idea of what you think happened in Haditha. Yeah, that's called an assumptious, blind, pro-American dumb fuck. Darth Fleder sums up the only stance you can take regarding this matter when he makes reference to my quote--specifically, the first 3 sentences before questioning the reasoning behind the Fallujah attacks.
Yet again:

And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.

BTW, What you have been attacking for the past three replies, is in fact a opinion.  You disagree with it and feel the need to constantly attack it.  I don't understand you.
Ikarti
Banned - for ever.
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Husker~ifh~ wrote:

Ikarti wrote:

Since you're a recruiter, is there a question that asks "Should you kill children?" I don't think there is, but there should be.
Actually yes there is, it's goes like this: Are you now or have you ever been a conscientious objector? < meaning you take issue with carrying a weapon or being put in a situation of having to defend yourself by using deadly force.  BTW, you can still serve in the Army if you are one with approval from the commanding general.

Ikarti wrote:

As far as why don't I enlist? Why would I want to be around said degenerates, and why would I want to go kill people in a country we have no business being in?
So you have no sense of duty to your country, I'm not surprised to say the least.  I've served in the Army for 15 years and have yet to come across this massive pool of degenerates you speak of, I only see these individuals, well... in people like you!  We have no business being there, sure, then that would go for the other 120+ countries our military forces are deployed in around the world 24/7.

I'm sure you ideals are solid and you stand firmly behind them, which is good, hat's off.  They are obviously different than mine but hey, your WELCOME, I'm proud to serve and afford you that right, no problem.  Just answer me one question:

If you received a phone call tomorrow that your parents had just been murdered by whomever for whatever reason what would you do and what would you want done?
Interesting that I'm the degenerate for choosing not to go on a murderous rampage. I've killed no women or children, non-combatants, and I certainly haven't tortured any prisoners. I haven't attempted to cover up any of it, and I haven't silently approved of the behavior either. You have done nothing for my rights, so stop taking credit for something you haven't done.

As for murdering my parents, how is that even relevant? I'm not really sure what I'd do because I'm not one to sit around and think about things like that. I don't have a fixation on death. Did the Iraqis kill someone's parents? They tried to kill someone's dad awhile back...but I won't get into that. Now say I was an Iraqi, and some foreign troops went rampaging through my country and unleashed hell between various factions, I'd be pissed. I'd fight for my home. Of course...they're not fighting for their homes. They're 'terrorists" and "insurgents." Yes, even the 8 year old. Even the pregnant women.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6854|USA

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory?  If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me.  Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter.  Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.

1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them.  That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own.  Get over yourselves.

2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are.  Say you peace and fucking be done with it.  People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.

I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?

3. It's annoying.  Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it.  Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people?  Stop sending me messages about these two idiots.  So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.

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Back to Haditha

My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example.  They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war.  They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage.  They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations?  Something we cannot do in return.  What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around?  Whom we cannot attack.  What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules?  It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.

I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes.  They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target.  Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious.  Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason.  Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink.  A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night.  All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye.  It was probably a reflex.  I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid.  You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.
Thank you for confirming in one sentence, what I said in the above quote.  I disagree with Xietsu and therfore I am a blind. pro-american, ignorant, ill-conceived assumptious person.  Excuse the FUCK out of me for having an opinion.  Also,

1. Blind.  Not so much, been through the training, had friends go and come back to tell me.  As opposed to your insight....but, what exactly IS your insight?  What have you experienced?  Who do you know?  What do YOU know that I don't, after all, I am the blind one, so please do tell.

2. Pro-American.  Hell yeah.  Problem?

3. Assumption.  As far as I'm concerned, it's ALL assumption.  The only people who know for sure are the marines that were in that house that night, I don't believe you were one of them so the best comment you could EVER come back with on the subject would be mere "assumption". 

4. Ill-Conceived.  Ill-conceived?  So I guess the dormitory I lived in while I was in the USAF where people coming back from deployments would tell us stories about it over there.  In your opinion they have no idea what they were talking about.  One of my high-school buddies thats over there sending back letters to me every month or so, has NO IDEA, what he is talking about.  One of my best friends Recon, an ex-Army Ranger who's been deeper in the shit than probably anyone on this forum, has no idea what he is talking about.  But when I relay the information they give me personally onto this forum, you say it is "Ill conceived"?  I think your train of thought is ill conceived friend.

5.Ignorant.  I believe after 6 pages of Xietsu and the 4 reasons I stated above, we can all come to the conclusion about who the "ignorant" one is here.


And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.
Once again you let us all know of your great inability to properly comprehend English. The idea behind grouping such previous descriptors amongst eachother, is to identify their respective roles amongst one another. It is not proper to isolate them as such and then attempt to claim that I have somehow done so in the wrong when you can't even grasp that one fact. The point is that you have forged some whacked out idea of what you think happened in Haditha. Yeah, that's called an assumptious, blind, pro-American dumb fuck. Darth Fleder sums up the only stance you can take regarding this matter when he makes reference to my quote--specifically, the first 3 sentences before questioning the reasoning behind the Fallujah attacks.

Cougar wrote:

Darth_Fleder wrote:


I think that Xietsu deserves a little credit for this post.
Yes, I agree.  It is probably the only post that he is ever written that I fully agree with and one of the few that wasn't attacking someone.

Good job Xietsu on one post.
Kind of ironic how you were able to pull out some shred of my assertion that I have some supreme knowledge of militaristic maneuvers (in case you didn't catch it, ironic because it is yet another citation for your inability to comprehend). Regardless, you refute your whole post when you note your full agreement for the post mentioned by Fleder. Instead of concocting some whole assload of bullshit, I present the only perception that is truth. And thus, the only acceptable, logical one. lmao. Can't believe some fools were deluded into supporting such an idiot.

*Please Crash727, explain to me how I have been narrow-minded in the least.

Awkward that you were able to muster some backing behind such a damn dolt, Fleder--doesn't seem fitting that you actually take in what I've had to say and then still see it logical, rational, reasonable, or feasible to side with Cougar.
LMAO, holy shit!!! you are one twisted fucker, lol. Please talk to a therapist and be sure to bring your thesaurus.

You do realize that you burned up an entire page and basically argued that you are right because you said so and we are wrong because we can't understand that you are right??......LOL, I love it. encore encore!!!
Xietsu
Banned
+50|6759

Cougar wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Once again you let us all know of your great inability to properly comprehend English. The idea behind grouping such previous descriptors amongst eachother, is to identify their respective roles amongst one another. It is not proper to isolate them as such and then attempt to claim that I have somehow done so in the wrong when you can't even grasp that one fact. The point is that you have forged some whacked out idea of what you think happened in Haditha. Yeah, that's called an assumptious, blind, pro-American dumb fuck. Darth Fleder sums up the only stance you can take regarding this matter when he makes reference to my quote--specifically, the first 3 sentences before questioning the reasoning behind the Fallujah attacks.
Yet again:

And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.

BTW, What you have been attacking for the past three replies, is in fact a opinion.  You disagree with it and feel the need to constantly attack it.  I don't understand you.
No, you don't understand English, you damn fool. Just because it is opinion does not mean it is to be without opposition, as it is clearly formulated within foolish, incorrect, assumptious, blind pro-Americanism pretexts. Such a basis in this, as a whole collection (have to emphasize this for you, since you're so damn retarded and never understood), is entirely an ebodiment of perversion, and by such relation, useless and ill-conceived. Yes, contrary to what your psycho fucking mind is telling you, your creations of the Haditha encounters are without applicability in the sense of relevance, as they contribute nothing other than (in one succinct, summation of aforementioned aspects) bullshit.

Knowing you, you will reply and say "OHMUHGAW BULLSHIT?!! I GET LEHTORZ FROM SOME DOOD I KNOO BACK UN RAYNJER!SS!! THAT MEANS I CAN LEGITIMATELY FALSIFY A STORY AND THEN PROJECT MYSELF AS BEING ALL-KNOWING BECAUSE I WAS IN USAF AND HEARD STORIES!!! (P.S. I knoh ecksacktlei wHERE all of these pEople wERE, their RESPONSES, and the architectural construction of involved billDINGZ, SO LIKE, WUH DUH FUKK, YOU CALLT MY STUFF ILL-CONCEIVED!!! YOU MUST BE SAYING YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT MILITARY MANEUVERS AND IRAQ AND PROSEEJERS AND HADITHA'S HAPPUNINGS, SO LIKE BACK IT UP BECAUSE I CAN TOTALLY SEE YOU MAKING THIS CLAIM BECAUSE YOU DISAGREE WITH ME AND I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED AT HADITHA BECAUSE I WAS THERE WITH THE MARINES AND YADDA YADDA YADDA)"

Yes. That will be your response. Just like the oblivious one you have just made, you will continue to be unphased by mannerisms of the logical. Who the hell cares? If you can't understand what I'm saying by this point, give the fuck up and realize that you're doomed to eternal imbecility.

lowing wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Xietsu wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory?  If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me.  Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter.  Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.

1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them.  That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own.  Get over yourselves.

2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are.  Say you peace and fucking be done with it.  People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.

I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?

3. It's annoying.  Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it.  Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people?  Stop sending me messages about these two idiots.  So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back to Haditha

My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example.  They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war.  They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage.  They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations?  Something we cannot do in return.  What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around?  Whom we cannot attack.  What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules?  It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.

I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes.  They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target.  Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious.  Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason.  Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink.  A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night.  All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye.  It was probably a reflex.  I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid.  You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.
Thank you for confirming in one sentence, what I said in the above quote.  I disagree with Xietsu and therfore I am a blind. pro-american, ignorant, ill-conceived assumptious person.  Excuse the FUCK out of me for having an opinion.  Also,

1. Blind.  Not so much, been through the training, had friends go and come back to tell me.  As opposed to your insight....but, what exactly IS your insight?  What have you experienced?  Who do you know?  What do YOU know that I don't, after all, I am the blind one, so please do tell.

2. Pro-American.  Hell yeah.  Problem?

3. Assumption.  As far as I'm concerned, it's ALL assumption.  The only people who know for sure are the marines that were in that house that night, I don't believe you were one of them so the best comment you could EVER come back with on the subject would be mere "assumption". 

4. Ill-Conceived.  Ill-conceived?  So I guess the dormitory I lived in while I was in the USAF where people coming back from deployments would tell us stories about it over there.  In your opinion they have no idea what they were talking about.  One of my high-school buddies thats over there sending back letters to me every month or so, has NO IDEA, what he is talking about.  One of my best friends Recon, an ex-Army Ranger who's been deeper in the shit than probably anyone on this forum, has no idea what he is talking about.  But when I relay the information they give me personally onto this forum, you say it is "Ill conceived"?  I think your train of thought is ill conceived friend.

5.Ignorant.  I believe after 6 pages of Xietsu and the 4 reasons I stated above, we can all come to the conclusion about who the "ignorant" one is here.


And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.
Once again you let us all know of your great inability to properly comprehend English. The idea behind grouping such previous descriptors amongst eachother, is to identify their respective roles amongst one another. It is not proper to isolate them as such and then attempt to claim that I have somehow done so in the wrong when you can't even grasp that one fact. The point is that you have forged some whacked out idea of what you think happened in Haditha. Yeah, that's called an assumptious, blind, pro-American dumb fuck. Darth Fleder sums up the only stance you can take regarding this matter when he makes reference to my quote--specifically, the first 3 sentences before questioning the reasoning behind the Fallujah attacks.

Cougar wrote:


Yes, I agree.  It is probably the only post that he is ever written that I fully agree with and one of the few that wasn't attacking someone.

Good job Xietsu on one post.
Kind of ironic how you were able to pull out some shred of my assertion that I have some supreme knowledge of militaristic maneuvers (in case you didn't catch it, ironic because it is yet another citation for your inability to comprehend). Regardless, you refute your whole post when you note your full agreement for the post mentioned by Fleder. Instead of concocting some whole assload of bullshit, I present the only perception that is truth. And thus, the only acceptable, logical one. lmao. Can't believe some fools were deluded into supporting such an idiot.

*Please Crash727, explain to me how I have been narrow-minded in the least.

Awkward that you were able to muster some backing behind such a damn dolt, Fleder--doesn't seem fitting that you actually take in what I've had to say and then still see it logical, rational, reasonable, or feasible to side with Cougar.
LMAO, holy shit!!! you are one twisted fucker, lol. Please talk to a therapist and be sure to bring your thesaurus.

You do realize that you burned up an entire page and basically argued that you are right because you said so and we are wrong because we can't understand that you are right??......LOL, I love it. encore encore!!!
Ahh...how blissful Lowing's life must be. He sees reason, and then he spontaneously combusts with thoughts of...WHAT...this is PSYCHO!‽!

Last edited by Xietsu (2006-06-12 21:25:15)

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^^Once again dodged the questions. LOL!!
Cougar
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Xietsu wrote:

Blah blah blah blah blah.
Answer the questions coward:

And once again Xietsu I call you out.  Tell us how you know so much about Iraq.  Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures.  Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha.  Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.

I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.

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