Xietsu wrote:
Cougar wrote:
Do you piss on the doorway's whenever you go places to mark your territory? If not, your posts over the last few days sure as hell fooled me. Frankly, you are probably the most annoying thing to ever happen to this forum, I mean, I come here to read different people's views on Haditha, NOT 4 pages worth of Bubbalo and Xietsu's opinion on the matter. Please do us all a favor and SHUT THE HELL UP and at least figure out the not everyone is going to feel or believe the exact same way YOU do and arguing and bickering and trying to force your logic and vocabulary down everyone's throat is not going to change that.
1. No one cares about Xietsu and Bubbalo's idea's and feelings, however they will debate and comment on them. That is their opinion just as what they are critiquing is your own. Get over yourselves.
2. Arguing, bickering, flaming, and overall just harassing and agging the shit on for 4+ pages per thread, does nothing but show everyone not involved in the argument what a couple of dipshits you are. Say you peace and fucking be done with it. People try to reply to the original topic only to have their post pushed above the page and onto an older page because you two idiots are busy quoting the ever living shit out of people and trying to show your "bravado" through exaggerated vocabulary and "logical" comparisons.
I would like to know where I have displayed a lack of logic. Citation, refutation. How am I to believe you without a discernable OAS (Observation, Analysis, Synthesis)?
3. It's annoying. Another thing that is annoying are the people who send me PM's thinking I can do something about it. Do I look like a fucking moderator to you people? Stop sending me messages about these two idiots. So in a sense, when you two morons stop being aggravating, egotistical jackasses, people will leave me alone and I will also be able to read a thread without having to skip through 4 pages of Xietsu/Bubbalo garbage.
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Back to Haditha
My belief is that the terrorists and insurgents know exactly what they are doing and Haditha is a perfect example. They know that they cannot win a war against a major world power face to face, so an obvious choice is an insurgency and/or guerrilla war. They also know that this, like Vietnam and Gulf War 1, is a highly visible conflict through the eyes of the media and they use this to their advantage. They understand that we are supposed to abide by the Geneva Convention and that they do not have too, what better way to distill fear in an enemy that by mutilations? Something we cannot do in return. What better way to attack than with the cover of civilians around? Whom we cannot attack. What better way to make the war unpopular for the enemy at home then by making it look like the military isn't doing it's job and is not following the rules? It destroys any foundation for us being there in the first place if we cannot even maintain these simple few things.
I think the night of Haditha, the Insurgents attacked and made it as clear as possible that they were heading into civilian populated homes. They may be civilian homes, but they are now civilian homes populated by a hostile enemy and that makes them a legitimate and legal target. Now whether the insurgents immediately left or were still there...I don't know, but I do know that the Marines had a legitimate reason to be there and to be cautious. Marines do not deploy to random people's houses in the middle of the night and kill everyone for know reason. Soldiers are not evil blood thirsty hooligans, most are scared kids barely old enough to drink. A car in their convoy was blown up and someone died, they are then ordered to seize and search these homes where it is believed the insurgents may be in the middle of the night. All it would have taken was for one of those civi's to make a abrupt move and a soldier to catch it in the corner of his eye. It was probably a reflex. I sincerely doubt that these guys decided to go kill random Iraqi's for no reason other than they felt like it, or they were careless or stupid. You do not act carelessly and stupid in an environment like that, period.
All in all, your take is a blind, pro-American one based in assumption. Ignorant and ill-conceived.
Thank you for confirming in
one sentence, what I said in the above quote. I disagree with Xietsu and therfore I am a blind. pro-american, ignorant, ill-conceived assumptious person. Excuse the FUCK out of me for having an opinion. Also,
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Blind. Not so much, been through the training, had friends go and come back to tell me. As opposed to your insight....but, what exactly IS your insight? What have you experienced? Who do you know? What do YOU know that I don't, after all, I am the blind one, so please do tell.
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Pro-American. Hell yeah. Problem?
3.
Assumption. As far as I'm concerned, it's ALL assumption. The only people who know for sure are the marines that were in that house that night, I don't believe you were one of them so the best comment you could EVER come back with on the subject would be mere "assumption".
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Ill-Conceived. Ill-conceived? So I guess the dormitory I lived in while I was in the USAF where people coming back from deployments would tell us stories about it over there. In your opinion they have no idea what they were talking about. One of my high-school buddies thats over there sending back letters to me every month or so, has NO IDEA, what he is talking about. One of my best friends Recon, an ex-Army Ranger who's been deeper in the shit than probably anyone on this forum, has no idea what he is talking about. But when I relay the information they give me personally onto this forum, you say it is "Ill conceived"? I think your train of thought is ill conceived friend.
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Ignorant. I believe after 6 pages of Xietsu and the 4 reasons I stated above, we can all come to the conclusion about who the "ignorant" one is here.
And once again Xietsu I call you out. Tell us how you know so much about Iraq. Tell us how you know so much about military maneuvers and procedures. Tell us how you know so much about what happened at Haditha. Tell us how you, someone who has shown no proof of having any knowledge or experience with any military, can sit back and tell 4 different people who have had military experience that they (in a nutshell) don't know what they are talking about.
I challenge you to answer each and every one of these questions, truthfully and with out sarcasm or your nauseating wit.