BF2S Forums Where are all the whiny peaceful "Enlightened" European now?

uziq wrote:

it's funny how one of the richest nations in the history of human civilization considers it 'normal' to have its majority of working people in effective penury. unable to pay for gas bills.

meanwhile france, next door, managed to keep their annual energy price rise to 4%. in england it's 300%.

i wonder why? oh, yes, dilbert has the answer: 'the UK had nice things once as a blip'.

truly you are a fucking retard.

Erm, energy costs in France have typically been much higher than all their neighbours for about half a century since they rely largely on nuclear power.

This measure is temporary.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy … -official/

yeah i linked that above. galling.

‘get brexit done’. ‘levelling up the north’. two grand frauds.

He probably graduated there 20 years ago, how is it still relevant.

Playing devil's advocate, being evil doesn't mean you're not smart. No one contends that Putin isn't intelligent.

Last edited by Larssen (2022-08-06 15:25:57)

Dilbert_X wrote:

It again raises the question - how does someone so stupid get a degree from Oxferd?

what does someone's intellectual competence have to do with their ideology and politics?

most of the techbro libertarian zanies out of silicon valley are incredibly intelligent and credentialled with all the right scrolls from stanford, harvard/yale, MIT, etc. their political vision is still totally toxic and anti-social.

in fact, you could probably argue that there's a tendency amongst 'elites' to dehumanize people less fortunate, and less intelligent, than themselves.

oxford doesn't teach compassion or ethics, dilbert.

your fixation with people's undergraduate BA's is tendentious and more than a little kooky.

rishi was a fulbright scholar to stanford. i don’t think his intelligence is really disputed in this conversation.

again: someone’s political ideas have nothing to do with their intelligence. politics is as much about belief as reason.

in terms of blurting out the wrong things: well that didn’t happen, did it? excepting the fact that everyone is prone to gaffes and PR meltdowns, regardless of intelligence, rishi was saying the exact right thing for his audience at the moment. that’s what a large part of politics is, no? pandering to your audience? rishi is just telling the monied conservative party members of the south what they want to hear: more money in their pockets and to hell with the great unwashed.

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uziq wrote:

rishi was a fulbright scholar to stanford. i don’t think his intelligence is really disputed in this conversation.

again: someone’s political ideas have nothing to do with their intelligence. politics is as much about belief as reason.

in terms of blurting out the wrong things: well that didn’t happen, did it? excepting the fact that everyone is prone to gaffes and PR meltdowns, regardless of intelligence, rishi was saying the exact right thing for his audience at the moment. that’s what a large part of politics is, no? pandering to your audience? rishi is just telling the monied conservative party members of the south what they want to hear: more money in their pockets and to hell with the great unwashed.

Did it not occur to him that the people he was speaking to might speak to someone else?
Or that someone could be filming?
Or that it was a really fucking dumb thing to say?

Maybe he could have taken his cue from Spartacus standing up and saying "I am Spartacus", I'm sure there's something in history which covers it.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

rishi was a fulbright scholar to stanford. i don’t think his intelligence is really disputed in this conversation.

again: someone’s political ideas have nothing to do with their intelligence. politics is as much about belief as reason.

in terms of blurting out the wrong things: well that didn’t happen, did it? excepting the fact that everyone is prone to gaffes and PR meltdowns, regardless of intelligence, rishi was saying the exact right thing for his audience at the moment. that’s what a large part of politics is, no? pandering to your audience? rishi is just telling the monied conservative party members of the south what they want to hear: more money in their pockets and to hell with the great unwashed.

Did it not occur to him that the people he was speaking to might speak to someone else?
Or that someone could be filming?
Or that it was a really fucking dumb thing to say?

Maybe he could have taken his cue from Spartacus standing up and saying "I am Spartacus", I'm sure there's something in history which covers it.

what if i told you … the only people who have a say in the leadership contest are 160,000 monied southerners.

from the outside sunak and truss appear to be in arms race to say the most insane right-wing things possible. promising the earth and all the rest of it. but it’s not the general public who will decide who becomes the next PM, is it? it’s the hardline conservative core.

short sighted? sure. but they’re looking at their job for the next 2 years.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

the UK only had nice things as a blip.

Maybe you should try reading a history book.

Britain has peaked and is now going backwards

oh you’re so nearly there, darling boy.

pointing out that france subsidise their energy prices: um, what the hell do you think i’m gesturing towards?! i am precisely talking about the possible means for a state to arrange its energy provision.

you’re very good at linking graphs you just found on google images 30 seconds ago. but why do they never have axis labels? do better.

Last edited by uziq (2022-08-07 00:39:47)

uziq wrote:

what if i told you … the only people who have a say in the leadership contest are 160,000 monied southerners.

from the outside sunak and truss appear to be in arms race to say the most insane right-wing things possible. promising the earth and all the rest of it. but it’s not the general public who will decide who becomes the next PM, is it? it’s the hardline conservative core.

short sighted? sure. but they’re looking at their job for the next 2 years.

Not sure if they will prefer two more years of free-money insanity or the next election.

If the next election is a foregone loss - yeah I dunno.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Subsidise with what - where are you going to take the money from?

where does the french state get its money from? wow this is advanced stuff. why is it that certain states can bring their energy sector under the control of the government but others are fleeced by a cabal of corporate profiteers?

maybe you should go to stanford on the fulbright. you’re a political genius.

i agree. there is no other way to provide energy other than being beholden to private corporations who post record profits in a generational cost of living crisis. no ways for a government to intervene.

it’s not an accident that you’re bragging about your fossil fuel dividends, is it? do you blame the single fathers and struggling working folk to compensate for your moral bankruptcy? is this some sort of psychological dodge?

Last edited by uziq (2022-08-07 00:57:17)

At this point you sound like Liz Truss

"I don't have any ideas, but trust me and I'll have some soon"

quick, go and do another google images search for a graph!!!!