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2022-07-12 17:54:33

#16551

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +575|3099

Other car makers are investing deeply into EVs too anyway. Tesla produced 300,000 cars last year. Compare that to other car makers including the big three U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m … ction#2017

A lot of the value of Tesla stock is wrapped up in the faith people put on Elon Musk to Steve Jobs the car market. I think he is doing grave damage to his brand at the moment. A lot of people are now strongly emotionally invested in other car brand's EV succeeding and that is not good.

2022-07-12 17:55:10

#16552

uziq: Member; +470|2832

maketh sense.

2022-07-12 18:45:29

#16553

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,948|6012|949

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Other car makers are investing deeply into EVs too anyway. Tesla produced 300,000 cars last year. Compare that to other car makers including the big three U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m … ction#2017

A lot of the value of Tesla stock is wrapped up in the faith people put on Elon Musk to Steve Jobs the car market. I think he is doing grave damage to his brand at the moment. A lot of people are now strongly emotionally invested in other car brand's EV succeeding and that is not good.

Tesla produced ~ a million cars last year. That's 2017 big guy.

No one should be emotionally invested in a brand. It's fucking mind-boggling.

2022-07-12 18:48:44

#16554

uziq: Member; +470|2832

we exist in a whole new era of inflationary speculative late capitalism. tesla was valued at substantially higher than GM or the major auto manufacturers even back in ~2017 when they were making a teeny number of cars in comparison.

old-school billionaires at least shifted a lot of raw product or owned actually existing rail networks or whatever. they were wealth creators in the old fordist model. nowadays you get people like the CEO of wework cashing out as a billionaire right before the whole speculative house of cards comes crashing down. insane.

Last edited by uziq (2022-07-12 18:49:27)

2022-07-12 18:50:21

#16555

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +575|3099

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Other car makers are investing deeply into EVs too anyway. Tesla produced 300,000 cars last year. Compare that to other car makers including the big three U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_m … ction#2017

A lot of the value of Tesla stock is wrapped up in the faith people put on Elon Musk to Steve Jobs the car market. I think he is doing grave damage to his brand at the moment. A lot of people are now strongly emotionally invested in other car brand's EV succeeding and that is not good.
Tesla produced ~ a million cars last year. That's 2017 big guy.

No one should be emotionally invested in a brand. It's fucking mind-boggling.

The number I found after a moment of Google is 300,000. You might be right. I don't have a stake in it all.

2022-07-12 18:55:40

#16556

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,948|6012|949

I wouldn't care at all either there weren't ginormous repercussions to overly inflated valuations

2022-07-12 19:38:52

#16557

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +1,987|6151|USA

(Though it doesn't help), Tesla hardly needs Musk tweets to damage its brand. Years ago I was actually thinking about them before reading about shoddy build quality.

In Tesla's defense, I drive a Ford. In my defense, it's a work vehicle with liberal company rules, and I've never bought a Ford.

2022-07-12 20:01:08

#16558

uziq: Member; +470|2832

the whole USP of tesla is dropping away now that EVs are becoming mainstream and accepted. there's no novelty or showing-off factor anymore. the self-driving stuff hasn't delivered, not unless you're seeking delivery to a morgue, anyway, and, as per usual, elon's more extravagant promises have come to nought.

i read a story last week about a famous figure, possibly a sports player, who was stranded in the middle of nowhere because his tesla in-car entertainment system glitched out and got stuck on some sort of film-streaming or video-playing app. the car wouldn't let him drive away until he stopped the full-screen video playback. l m a o.

EVs are really common in major urban centres now, particularly in taxis. it's no longer the head-turner or bragging rights it once was. people are going to fed up of paying exorbitant prices for shoddy construction and easily migrate to other manufacturers. tesla 'fanboys' are goobers.

2022-07-28 10:12:44

#16559

uziq: Member; +470|2832

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurch … f-america/

meanwhile in highly normal american column opinion.

forbes writer complains about … pedestrianised cities, low-emissions zones, public transport and … shops selling nice fashion. lmao.

2022-07-28 11:44:59

#16560

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,724|6117|Oxferd Ohire

As someone who likes cars more than her I love pedestrian /public transit friendly cities.

2022-07-28 13:14:21

#16561

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,948|6012|949

uziq wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/07/25/keep-europes-war-against-cars-out-of-america/

meanwhile in highly normal american column opinion.

forbes writer complains about … pedestrianised cities, low-emissions zones, public transport and … shops selling nice fashion. lmao.

Not just a Forbes writer- someone involved in developing and implementing policy initiatives related to transportation and city planning.

"Montpelier, France used to be a commercial hub, with the traffic to show. They got rid of the traffic so now Montpelier is no longer a commercial zone."

Whatever other salient points she made (and there were some) are completely washed away by that pathetic application of logic.

Haha shut the fuck up!

2022-07-28 16:26:50

#16562

uziq: Member; +470|2832

i literally laughed out loud when she said something like “cities are being hollowed out for pedestrian precincts”. erm, does she think cities are built for cars to live in or something?

the comments are also full of residents of montpellier telling her how much they love their car-free centre and how it’s actually thronging with life, commercial and otherwise, every day of the week.

woman goes to southern european town in summer and is surprised people aren’t at work at 9am in the morning

and yeah, i loved the bit where she claimed that montpellier is no longer an important trading hub because of the lack of single-occupant car access. in other news: baltimore would still have the steelworks, manchester the cotton mills, and baghdad it’s great library … if only they built a few more car parks! lmao.

2022-07-28 17:34:25

#16563

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +1,987|6151|USA

uziq wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianafurchtgott-roth/2022/07/25/keep-europes-war-against-cars-out-of-america/

meanwhile in highly normal american column opinion.

forbes writer complains about … pedestrianised cities, low-emissions zones, public transport and … shops selling nice fashion. lmao.

Just think, you could spend USD$50 for a one year subscription … or $140 for two.

"Gain unlimited access to our journalism!"

the story is the same. Cars are bad, biking is good, walking is better, public transit is better still, and the best of all is to stay home.

I love how this is framed as a thing to be scoffed at. I would rather have to walk to more of my stores than choke on the emissions of bumper to bumper cars in a densely populated urban zone.

I don't even think it's fun to drive cars around in cities (in some cases, it would be faster to get out and walk), and actively avoid doing it unless it's for work. And when it's for work, oh boy good luck finding a place to park.

At the very least, if we're going to keep cars around, we need to migrate fully out of internal combustion.

2022-07-28 22:13:55

#16564

uziq: Member; +470|2832

forbes really went downhill when they basically left open their comment pages to anyone to scrawl a diary entry or blog. it's like they've got an open wordpress API and anyone can phone in their dumb editorial.

I love how this is framed as a thing to be scoffed at. I would rather have to walk to more of my stores than choke on the emissions of bumper to bumper cars in a densely populated urban zone.

lmao, yeah. she talks as if there's an unthinking 'groupthink' in europe, and as if we haven't just emerged from 120 years of urban design based around the primary of the motor vehicle. i'm pretty sure no european town is regretting its plans to re-plant trees on its streets and keep cars out.

https://d1bvpoagx8hqbg.cloudfront.net/originals/erasmus-experience-in-montpellier-france-by-aida-54771bee320e85418634407ff2dac277.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/476/19108038600_6544b2aa60_b.jpg

let's go ... downtown!!!

Last edited by uziq (2022-07-28 22:17:26)

2022-07-29 02:03:06

#16565

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +1,987|6151|USA

Didn't removal of a highway actually improve traffic in Seoul? Isn't the place still plenty commercial?

2022-07-29 02:36:16

#16566

uziq: Member; +470|2832

yes it was a horrendous highway bisecting the entire north side of the city (the 'old' city core, gang-buk as opposed to gang-nam).

it's now been re-turned into a giant stream, which is technically what it was in the first place, pre-development and pre-urbanisation. it was a filthy run-off and highly polluted body of water for most of the city's era of rapid growth. tarmac'ing over it and turning it into a highway was a sort of ad hoc fix for the foetid and malarial industrial run-off feature that was there before.

they've rectified it now and that part of the city is booming.

https://i0.wp.com/www.pinpointkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/cheonggyecheon.png?resize=1024%2C792&ssl=1

https://wwfint.awsassets.panda.org/img/original/seoul_cheonggye_cheon_restoration_project.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7502/15613207309_9622ca56e7_z.jpg

seoul isn't winning any awards for traffic congestion or air pollution and particulates from private vehicles, mind you, but considering the population density and the world-class public transport system, they're definitely going in the right direction with things.

Last edited by uziq (2022-07-29 02:37:38)

2022-07-29 11:42:32

#16567

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +1,987|6151|USA

https://twitter.com/RedTRaccoon/status/ … 0891920384

Military instructors will probably still be lecturing and pressuring new recruits to vote Republican for *checks notes* "better pay."

2022-07-31 02:07:43

#16568

uziq: Member; +470|2832

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … 1659248465

a lot of stating the bleeding obvious here.

2022-08-15 07:06:59

#16569

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +1,987|6151|USA

French activists fill golf holes with cement to protest watering exemptions during drought
https://nypost.com/2022/08/14/french-ac … g-drought/

rofl

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