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Dilbert_X
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I'm suggesting you use less electricity or stop whining about what other people are doing, ideally both.

South Koreans have per capita CO2 emissions comparable with people in countries with energy intensive primary production.
Seems like people like you use too much electricity, stop it.
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uziq
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south korea modernised in the last 40 years. it still does have intensive production, both on large and small scales, from alleyway workshops up to high-tech conglomerates. lol.

what's australia's excuse for their world-beating per capita CO2 emissions, considering, you know, you weren't flattened by war and starting from zero in 1960?

'people like me use too much electricity'? lol try again. you are a very silly little man.

Last edited by uziq (2022-06-23 03:04:00)

Dilbert_X
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Not so much energy intensive production though.

Australia produces immense quantities of food, iron ore and coal - much of which imported by South Korea.
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uziq
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erm, korea is one of the biggest shipbuilders in the world thanks to companies like hyundai. it has gigantic steelworks. it also has significant domestic petrochemicals production – which is in turn exported to places like china, vietnam, india, etc, as materials. if australia can shift their 'exported' co2 emissions onto the consuming nations' balance sheets, can't korea in turn with their high-emitting petrochemicals sector?

https://images-global.nhst.tech/image/VVJ4a1hENmpyYlJZb0c3Um90anA0ZTl2WmJFM01uSHViMWVKaXRxZGRIbz0=/nhst/binary/6d318e6ffbddcd9527014d17653c6fe1

https://m.hyundai-steel.com/m/en/image/company/img_place02.jpg

https://file.mk.co.kr/meet/neds/2020/05/image_readtop_2020_524957_15901211764209963.jpg

https://m.hanwha.com/content/dam/hanwha/news_and_media/press_release/hanwha-total-petrochemical-readies-new-production-line-for-advanced-plastics/171228_1_M.jpg

Not so much energy intensive production though.
you truly are a fucking berk. i mean, who even are daewoo, hyundai and samsung, anyway?

you have shown time and time again that you don't know anything about the country. you think it's a hermit kingdom in south-east asia which only produces glossy k-pop stars, evidently.

not to mention, again, to repeat at laborious length, that the entire assumption of your argument – that i am responsible for the economic profile of korea, or its energy infrastructure, when i'm a digital nomad skimming along the surface of things here for a mere 18 months – is risibly stupid. my personal responsibility for their steelworks or coal-powered industries is, erm, yeah. what do you get when you shave an iota?

it's funny. for years you promoted the gospel of 'personal responsibility'. but as soon as we scrutinize your actual lifestyle, the things you take for granted, the daily energy uses of your suburban, import-heavy, car-driving, daily commuting ilfestyle ... suddenly the personal responsibility thing vanishes into the ozone layer, and we're talking instead about 'iron ore refining' and 'steelworks'. i guess there's only so far you can parlay the smugness from not eating meat (because you don't like the taste, lmao) whilst ignoring, uh, everything else about your lifestyle that is objectively world-toppingly high on co2/capita costs.

Seems like people like you use too much electricity, stop it.
In 2019, [in Korea] about 54% of electricity consumption came from industries, 26% from commercial and service sector enterprises, 14% from the residential sector, and 7% from other sectors such as transportation and agriculture.
wowsers, me in my studio apartment taking up a giant slice of that '14% residential' electricity consumption profile, i'm sure. lmao.

sorry but you're really going to have to find a different line of attack rather than accusing a digital nomad who lives in tiny studio apartments, out of a suitcase, with only a laptop and a mobile phone to his name, of somehow being a 'high electricity user'.

derp derp derp

Last edited by uziq (2022-06-23 04:15:17)

unnamednewbie13
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Even in America electricity production creates more greenhouse gases than transportation.

But yeah, if people like uziq blame everyone else as they pump out C02 and methane nothing will ever happen.

LMAO
My point is more that it's funny hearing you speak mockingly(?) of Americans' love for cars and big suburban houses, when you use cars and live in a big suburban house. In a country with a massive footprint tallied at the end of the receipt.
uziq
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no, no, you don't understand, australia's emissions are basically all methane from cows, and dilbert hates cows, never touches meat, abhors the stuff, therefore he can drive his 4x4 subaru to work every day, import goods from abroad to his heart's content, and enjoy an international diet/cuisine from the comfort of his local supermarket –- none of it counts. you're just selfish and don't want to consider YOUR lifestyle.

oh and lest you succeed in making him feel even a little bit shaky about the wastefulness of his lifestyle: alas, there's too many brown people anyway. it's better that a tiny white minority such as dilbert consume and burn up everything in a model of 'good living', rather than we all get dragged horribly back into a lower standard of living, like those subhumans have to put up with on faraway continents.
unnamednewbie13
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I too love buying big suburban houses that cost like $1.2 million or more for 3 bed 2 bath or whatever. A very typical vice of young and middle aged Americans, to be sure. Long commutes? Sign me up, that's definitely why I moved out here. /s
unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

no, no, you don't understand, australia's emissions are basically all methane from cows, and dilbert hates cows, never touches meat, abhors the stuff, therefore he can drive his 4x4 subaru to work every day, import goods from abroad to his heart's content, and enjoy an international diet/cuisine from the comfort of his local supermarket –- none of it counts. you're just selfish and don't want to consider YOUR lifestyle.

oh and lest you succeed in making him feel even a little bit shaky about the wastefulness of his lifestyle: alas, there's too many brown people anyway. it's better that a tiny white minority such as dilbert consume and burn up everything in a model of 'good living', rather than we all get dragged horribly back into a lower standard of living, like those subhumans have to put up with on faraway continents.
"We should all live like this picture of overpopulated India, then." *sage nod, end of argument*
uziq
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the funniest thing is that, just for the perverse sake of winning an argument, any argument ... he rushes off to hastily search google images (aka his highly academic method) or whatever for an image about korea's emissions profile, and smugly posts an 'aha!' about the 'problem' being 'people like you using too much electricity'.

it never occurs to him to perform a follow-up, cursory 10 second search to check out just how that electricity consumption breaks down, nationally. instead, in the very next post he says, with perfect smug assurance, that the country can't possibly have that much energy-intensive production. it's like he's never even heard of posco or hyundai steel, lmao. literally 60% of the nation's electricity consumption is on production/manufacturing.

can you believe this guy has an advanced/postgraduate degree? and this is the level of effort he's putting into his 'arguments'. he must be very, very bored in his little bungalow.
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uziq wrote:

erm, korea is one of the biggest shipbuilders in the world thanks to companies like hyundai. it has gigantic steelworks. it also has significant domestic petrochemicals production – which is in turn exported to places like china, vietnam, india, etc, as materials. if australia can shift their 'exported' co2 emissions onto the consuming nations' balance sheets, can't korea in turn with their high-emitting petrochemicals sector?

https://images-global.nhst.tech/image/VVJ4a1hENmpyYlJZb0c3Um90anA0ZTl2WmJFM01uSHViMWVKaXRxZGRIbz0=/nhst/binary/6d318e6ffbddcd9527014d17653c6fe1
Why are there so many trees near the buildings?
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
unnamednewbie13
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Why shouldn't there be? Even cookie cutter warehouse complexes in my state have the usual greenery present. Is NJ really that desolate that landscaping is a foreign concept?
uziq
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korea is almost entirely mountainous. their national tree of association is the pine/conifer. it’s good for shoring up all those mountainsides during the monsoon season.

what would you rather they did, deforested the peninsula? the nature here is nice. why would you want to cut down a forest on a mountainside that is too steep or unsuitable for building on?

why does NJ have the pine barrens? why are there trees near to the FBI HQ? are you high?

Last edited by uziq (2022-06-23 15:33:10)

Dilbert_X
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The point is uziq is living a first world lifestyle in a first world country - and one of the biggest coal burners at that, his environmental footprint is right up there in the top 1% however much he says it isn't.
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unnamednewbie13
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South Korea is Australia's #3 for imports, isn't it? After China and USA?

Is going on about someone traipsing around a manufacturing country really a thing a person living in a country that imports items of said manufacture should be doing?

Not that zeek needs the defense or anything but I don't think a foot-traffic favoring person living in an urban center has a larger environmental footprint than a person living out in the suburbs taking cars everywhere, and I might add also flying for stuff?

Weren't you saying you were flying to some Asian country for a job thing?
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The point is uziq is living a first world lifestyle in a first world country - and one of the biggest coal burners at that, his environmental footprint is right up there in the top 1% however much he says it isn't.
but so are you? lol. i just don't get it. this whole endless back-and-forth has been about YOU making out that your shit doesn't stink, that you're living in some green paradise because your very local state of 1.6 million people manage, occasionally, to generate power using renewables. meanwhile your federal govt are pressing ahead with one of the most widely criticized programmes of fossil fuels expansions at the entire IPCC. australia were almost  uniquely singled-out for their cynicism.

you have continually on this forum over the years preached a gospel of personal responsibility. even going so far as to say that the oil companies could be brought down or to heel if people only stopped buying petrol from forecourts. i mean, LMAO. turns out your lifestyle is world-toppingly carbon intensive/greenhouse gas-emitting, but you think because *checks notes* you're a vegetarian that you can always cast the first stone. it's ludicrous.

i'm a temporary visitor to korea. i am living a very simple, barebones lifestyle. that's what digital nomadism is. in terms of material comforts, domestic luxuries, day-to-day indulgences, etc, your lifestyle is a league above mine. i don't live in a large and spacious suburban home. i don't drive a personal vehicle everywhere. i am living, by design, in a lightweight manner. you continually trying to call me out for my 'hypocrisy' and, erm, 'electricity use', is just very fucking misguided. lol. you undoubtedly use more units of electricity than i do: in your home life, in your work life, in your hobbies. every aspect of your life, professional and personal, is more carbon-intensive than mine. skipping meats doesn't cut it, buddy.

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