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uziq wrote:

accept some RESPONSIBILITY.

I'd be really happy to stop exporting coal, gas and beef. Then I'm sure Australia's emissions would be right on.

You can go tell Indians they can't have lights or refrigerators, the Chinese they can't have heating and the Japanese they can't have a steel industry - they can all figure out an alternative themselves - while you enjoy your coal and oil powered lifestyle living in a steel and concrete apartment and beef lunches in one of the most densely populated and carbon intensive countries in the world.

Ah no, their population growth slows, not the same as a cut. Words are complex I know.

when the birth-rate drops below 2 and stays that way – as it seems to have done for the last generation of westerners – then the population drops.





numbers are complex, i know.

the death rate will increase dramatically over the next century as the boomers and their big families die out, and the birth rate will continue to slow or stabilize. most advanced nations' populations will stabilize – and then decline.

it's almost like there have been large-scale studies and forecasts about global population. none of them exhibit continual and exponential growth forever.

lol. you really do display the entire potpourri of fascist right-wing tendencies around population. it's amazing – like a full deck of cards.

you've got the vague, vestigial and victorian malthusian stuff going on (people are breeding too much and putting strain on resources), mixed with a wellsian twist in which an underclass of morlocks seem to occupy most of your fears. you've got great replacement theory in there, the idée du jour for all cultural conservatives and islamophobes and xenophobes. it wouldn't surprise me if, somewhere in the back of your imagination, you harbour some incel-lite views, as well, about the scarcity of available women because all the goodlooking and empty-headed 'chads' picking them up. population really is something like an hysteria for you.

global population is not forecasted to grow forever. we probably will need discussion about birth-rate control and family planning in the future, but the ingress of immigrant populations to support the labour force/ageing population is hardly tipping the balance. immigrants tend to migrate to developed countries, which, in the right scenario, if we actually got our acts together, would be the ones in the best place to transition to green and low-carbon societies. duh.

again, the proximate concern here is the use of fossil fuels. diverting to talk of population is just distracting from the real pressing issue. your government are intending to massively upscale their fossil-fuel exports in the next FIVE years. the great global population squeeze or the great white replacement are not happening in the same timescale.

take some responsibility.

Last edited by uziq (2021-11-18 01:47:10)

I disagree about population growth being a bad thing. Reproduction is a fundamental aspect of life. What kind of nightmare reality do we want to live in where people are denied one of life's greatest joys?

If people would just stop consuming our resources we wouldn't be selling them.

Think of the children.

i have written at grotesque length about how the global system of politics and power is based on the fossil-fuel economy.

no shit that politicians are corrupted or paid huge sums by lobbyists. that's because the oil corporations are the most powerful businesses on the planet.

iF peOpLe juSt stOp buYinG tHeiR peTroL tHeN theY'LL gO aWay

the south american drug cartels are an institution in their own right. they won't stop existing if people stop buying cocaine. they have already diversified into many other lines of business. as long as things are banned and illegal, there will be criminal enterprises to service them. the cartels main export by volume for many years was actually marijuana.

who do i need to make decisions for me? seeing the need for top-down, policy-directed action is not exactly the same as being helpless. consumer choice cannot shut down coal-fired power stations.

yes, well done, now you're finally seeing how i consider you 'responsible' for your polity when it comes to collective decisions. that's because your government is an elected one and is open to vote or petition.

your attitude is frankly bizarre. 'i need someone to take my decisions for me'. any number of harmful or abhorrent practices have been banned by legislation. 'individual choice' is a pretty strange mantra when we are talking about literally the entire global economic system.

i've never avoided responsibility and culpability for my climate emissions? you seem confused. i have been trying to point out that it's precisely not the fault of 'indians and chinese and overbreeding races'. it's US. and i would only vote for a political party that had a meaningful green agenda.

the global economic system is based on control of and access to fossil fuels, as they have historically been the key to energy and industry and thus to development. the notion that we can fix the energy crisis using 'buyer power' and 'consumer boycotts' is hilarious. you completely underestimate the gigantic stake that oil companies and governments have in protecting their fossil-fuel stakes and incomes. you need to involve power and geopolitics in your simple consumer-supplier model.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v43/n23 … ion-a-year

great write-up on air pollution. it kills vastly more people than covid ever will – and yet it barely troubles us. 10 million a year.

Don't worry, you have at least a year of setup and calibration.

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