Doesn't really make sense during a pandemic, or if you are bothered by global warming.Cybargs wrote:
why you hating on people travelling, didn't know you're so woke.
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reminder that you extolled the absolute wisdom of israel instating an immediate travel ban.
how's israel doing with omicron?
you've applauded france banning travel whilst in the same sentence their PM states he 'expects it to become the dominant strain in a month'.
wow all these travel bans are clearly the key to fixing this thing.
make some fucking sense!
how's israel doing with omicron?
you've applauded france banning travel whilst in the same sentence their PM states he 'expects it to become the dominant strain in a month'.
wow all these travel bans are clearly the key to fixing this thing.
make some fucking sense!
You've confused ban with restriction.
Its easily done, don't feel bad.
Its easily done, don't feel bad.
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you have alternately spoken in support of total travel bans and for states introducing measures to get rid of 'non-essential' tourists.
you highlighted it yourself about two pages ago in a post.
i suppose contradicting yourself is easily done when your views make zero fucking sense.
a total ban on the movement of people/goods is a practical impossibility. restricted travel with perfect quarantine systems and foolproof testing is also an impossibility, averaged over enough people in a given system. with delta/omicron's transmissibility, even one exception to the rule can derail an entire suppression strategy.
even IF such a hermetically sealed border were attainable, what would be the end-point? for how long? with what aim? totally extinguishing covid within a given nation? then what? to never re-open or re-engage with the rest of the world for the next 5 years? 10 years? do you even think through these things which you so arduously assert the necessity of? what's the actual measurable, achievable end-goal of travel bans in the medium or long term?
countries bigger and more populous than the state of SA can't disengage and decouple from the world system indefinitely. that's not how it works. how else would you receive your indian-made german shoes and florida workshop springs in the post?
you highlighted it yourself about two pages ago in a post.
i suppose contradicting yourself is easily done when your views make zero fucking sense.
a total ban on the movement of people/goods is a practical impossibility. restricted travel with perfect quarantine systems and foolproof testing is also an impossibility, averaged over enough people in a given system. with delta/omicron's transmissibility, even one exception to the rule can derail an entire suppression strategy.
even IF such a hermetically sealed border were attainable, what would be the end-point? for how long? with what aim? totally extinguishing covid within a given nation? then what? to never re-open or re-engage with the rest of the world for the next 5 years? 10 years? do you even think through these things which you so arduously assert the necessity of? what's the actual measurable, achievable end-goal of travel bans in the medium or long term?
countries bigger and more populous than the state of SA can't disengage and decouple from the world system indefinitely. that's not how it works. how else would you receive your indian-made german shoes and florida workshop springs in the post?
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amazing. two-day quarantine. that's surely sufficient.From Saturday morning, travellers will only be allowed to enter France from the UK if they are travelling for “compelling reasons”, unless they are French nationals, residents or hauliers.
Even then, those wanting to travel will have to show a negative Covid test and self-isolate for two days after arriving in the country.
On Saturday, Veran said the rapid spread of the new variant was the main reason for the planned introduction of a new vaccination pass early next year, which will require that people show proof of vaccination to enter restaurants and long-distance public transport.
Under the current health pass regulation, a recent negative Covid test is sufficient for entering public places.
and up to now you could go into any venue without proof of vaccination or a lab test. self-testing kits and self-reporting only.
it's surely tourism's fault that omicron now makes up 10% of all france's new cases. their social distancing measures are as leaky as a sieve.
The alternative is to let covid run wild and mutate faster than the vaccines can keep up, there's no endgame there.uziq wrote:
you have alternately spoken in support of total travel bans and for states introducing measures to get rid of 'non-essential' tourists.
you highlighted it yourself about two pages ago in a post.
i suppose contradicting yourself is easily done when your views make zero fucking sense.
a total ban on the movement of people/goods is a practical impossibility. restricted travel with perfect quarantine systems and foolproof testing is also an impossibility, averaged over enough people in a given system. with delta/omicron's transmissibility, even one exception to the rule can derail an entire suppression strategy.
even IF such a hermetically sealed border were attainable, what would be the end-point? for how long? with what aim? totally extinguishing covid within a given nation? then what? to never re-open or re-engage with the rest of the world for the next 5 years? 10 years? do you even think through these things which you so arduously assert the necessity of? what's the actual measurable, achievable end-goal of travel bans in the medium or long term?
countries bigger and more populous than the state of SA can't disengage and decouple from the world system indefinitely. that's not how it works. how else would you receive your indian-made german shoes and florida workshop springs in the post?
If a state can close itself off why wouldn't it as far as it can?
I don't know why you're whining so hard about travel, its not really that long ago that many states were entirely closed except for a handful of diplomats.
For the remainder a visa was necessary and they could take months if given at all.
Why everyone is now obsessed with travel and what the point really is I don't know, its going to finish us.
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I don't get what it is with your "alternatives." The whole world isn't going to eradicate animals known to carry coronaviruses, shut down and hole up in tornado bunkers (including essential workers) for 2 months waiting for covid to die out. It's not a realistic option.
In the meantime multiple states, countries, can just close themselves off at no cost indefinitely, or at least less cost than remaining open - why wouldn't they do it?
They can wait for better vaccines to come along, in the meantime their citizens aren't dying needlessly - doesn't that make sense?
They can wait for better vaccines to come along, in the meantime their citizens aren't dying needlessly - doesn't that make sense?
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There is no morlock option for us. Engineers just aren't that good at digging holes yet.
that window is long gone. the world had a chance to truly lockdown for 2 months and covid wouldve been gone. but then again certain governments told people "good luck lmao" without any form of support... well you can see what happens.Dilbert_X wrote:
In the meantime multiple states, countries, can just close themselves off at no cost indefinitely, or at least less cost than remaining open - why wouldn't they do it?
over 100 companies who have the capacity to manufacture the vaccines but are not allowed to.
this is the most pressing issue now. not tourist bans. we must vaccinate the world before another mutant strain - and there will be more - changes the game utterly.
omicron is probably less dangerous than delta. perhaps not by a great margin, but still. there could be much worse lying in the wings.
vaccine equality is the most pressing issue facing us in this pandemic.
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The world doesn't need to hear stories about bad vaccines because Egypt cut their cut supply with water from the Nile or some other nonsense.
Cybargs wrote:
that window is long gone. the world had a chance to truly lockdown for 2 months and covid wouldve been gone. .
Hey just think, if China and Fauci had told the world what they were facing in October 2019, instead of concealing it, then we could well have snuffed this thing out.uziq wrote:
No you're wrong, lockdowns achieve nothing, ensuring everyone has access to uncontrolled travel is the way to nip a pandemic in the bud
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Indians are recycling covid medical waste, do not buy anything from IndiaSuperJail Warden wrote:
The world doesn't need to hear stories about bad vaccines because Egypt cut their cut supply with water from the Nile or some other nonsense.
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america really fucekd it up lol, donald went from "lets block china nd stopp this" to "its a flu" right quick. with china... its classic local officials trying to cover up a problem by arresting people for talking smack.Dilbert_X wrote:
Cybargs wrote:
that window is long gone. the world had a chance to truly lockdown for 2 months and covid wouldve been gone. .Hey just think, if China and Fauci had told the world what they were facing in October 2019, instead of concealing it, then we could well have snuffed this thing out.uziq wrote:
No you're wrong, lockdowns achieve nothing, ensuring everyone has access to uncontrolled travel is the way to nip a pandemic in the bud
I thought western medical intelligence was just alerting to the situation in China only as early as November that year, at least according to the "US knew" stuff I've read.
Fauci himself later used language like, to paraphrase, "at this time," "developing situation subject to change." Trump latched onto stuff and then would run it into the ground with little, no, or wrong context. Republicans sabotaged or scuttled countermeasures efforts and made sure that everyone knew that the Democrats would do everything in their power to make sure Trump failed against the pandemic. Still hearing about that in 2021 from people.
The last several years have been awash in the red koolaid.
Fauci himself later used language like, to paraphrase, "at this time," "developing situation subject to change." Trump latched onto stuff and then would run it into the ground with little, no, or wrong context. Republicans sabotaged or scuttled countermeasures efforts and made sure that everyone knew that the Democrats would do everything in their power to make sure Trump failed against the pandemic. Still hearing about that in 2021 from people.
The last several years have been awash in the red koolaid.
Except Fauci knew what the Chinese were working on in Wuhan because he was involved in commissioning the work.
He would have been able to make a good guess early on as to what was happening but kept silent.
He would have been able to make a good guess early on as to what was happening but kept silent.
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How strange, these Germans must be idiots, don't they know travel restrictions are stupid?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59715820
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59715820
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Dilbert have you considered that if you ground all airlines worldwide for 2 months the virus can still spread over land?
Have you also considered the economic/societal consequences of stopping air travel entirely?
Not to say that sensible travel restrictions when a dangerous variant emerges aren't useful, but these are and should be temporary and do not suddenly eliminate a virus.
Have you also considered the economic/societal consequences of stopping air travel entirely?
Not to say that sensible travel restrictions when a dangerous variant emerges aren't useful, but these are and should be temporary and do not suddenly eliminate a virus.
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dude, everyone know what was going on by December. Taiwan fucking knew, no one listened.Dilbert_X wrote:
Except Fauci knew what the Chinese were working on in Wuhan because he was involved in commissioning the work.
He would have been able to make a good guess early on as to what was happening but kept silent.
this whole "omg fauci" is just a sideshow and you know it.
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There's a lot to unpack there, in a lot of potential directions. The Newsmax/etc. version of course probably unabashedly being Fauci commissioned a bioweapon. You of course being of the demographic that was so hesitant to get vaccinated, and in-line with other related and unrelated ideas from Republicans and astroturfers, I have to wonder. Dilbert, digital warrior of the Qanon fifth column.Dilbert_X wrote:
Except Fauci knew what the Chinese were working on in Wuhan because he was involved in commissioning the work.
He would have been able to make a good guess early on as to what was happening but kept silent.
I was fine with getting vaccinated, I preferred to skip AZ.
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You tell the Germans they're stupid then.Larssen wrote:
Dilbert have you considered that if you ground all airlines worldwide for 2 months the virus can still spread over land?
Have you also considered the economic/societal consequences of stopping air travel entirely?
Not to say that sensible travel restrictions when a dangerous variant emerges aren't useful, but these are and should be temporary and do not suddenly eliminate a virus.
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Some of the older folks I know around your age or a few years your senior have been piping up about this stuff recently too. Coincidence? You and half of America's Crazy Uncle Eddies are like the miner's canary for some of the wackiest shit I've heard.
Yes, its only the whackadoodle right saying this stuff
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10 … h-in-wuhan
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10 … h-in-wuhan
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