People can ya know, choose not to go out etc… we all make choices. Look at those massive protests and riots in Europe even over something as small as a lockdown for the unvaccDilbert_X wrote:
Yes, just let the people die.uziq wrote:
at this point most world governments have realized that delta/omicron are so transmissible that it's simply not tenable to hard suppress them anymore.
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also exactly what i've been saying for months. korea and taiwan took very different approaches to australia/NZ and have had better results. no lockdowns through the entire pandemic in the case of korea, and people could still fly to both countries (especially their own citizens, unlike aus).Cybargs wrote:
Not necessarily. Taiwan had a few outbreaks where it was controlled just by mask wearing. Taiwan only had one lockdown due to horny bois.Dilbert_X wrote:
Mostly it was travel restrictions and quarantine, once it leaks out its essentially impossible to control in the community, which what happened.Cybargs wrote:
But it’s all the other things that worked, mask, social distancing, venue limitation etc.
Melbs failed badly due to lockdown fatigue as wel, people stopped giving a fuck and didn’t help rule breaking was heavily encouraged by government MPs and Murdoch media.
It’s whether people are willing to change lifestyle. Melbs has beaten Covid a few times, but can’t keep locking down forever.
Heh aus even blocked citizens of other countries from leaving xD. Happened to a friend of mine, even Uncle Sam couldn’t help him get an exit permit. Appanrelty all you need is to contact local MP and voila you can leave.uziq wrote:
also exactly what i've been saying for months. korea and taiwan took very different approaches to australia/NZ and have had better results. no lockdowns through the entire pandemic in the case of korea, and people could still fly to both countries (especially their own citizens, unlike aus).Cybargs wrote:
Not necessarily. Taiwan had a few outbreaks where it was controlled just by mask wearing. Taiwan only had one lockdown due to horny bois.Dilbert_X wrote:
Mostly it was travel restrictions and quarantine, once it leaks out its essentially impossible to control in the community, which what happened.
It’s whether people are willing to change lifestyle. Melbs has beaten Covid a few times, but can’t keep locking down forever.
I think China has controlled their outbreak, but like you said, it’s just a lot of start stop when there’s ways to live with Covid now.uziq wrote:
you're being ironic but dilbert has even cited china's 'zero covid cases' self-reported stats in support of his zany arguments before. whilst a week earlier expressing every skepticism about their stats. he is incoherent.
Thats the thing, if you want to open up internally you have to seal the borders, you can't have people travelling in and out just because they want to.Cybargs wrote:
Aus is fucking stupid for those reasons. Govt wanted everything to open up but yet block citizens from leaving and entering xD.
What the fuck are you talking about LOL. They brought their cases to 0 multiple times.Dilbert_X wrote:
Vic fucked up their quarantine and never did a real lockdown
Other states did manage to shut down outbreaks
if you want to open up internally, you need a lot of meaningful social distancing policies and high compliance from your population. otherwise 1 single case of delta will become 5,000 very quickly, even with all flights grounded.Thats the thing, if you want to open up internally you have to seal the borders,
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Lmao one of vics outbreak/lockdown was caused by hotel quarantine leakage from SA.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats the thing, if you want to open up internally you have to seal the borders, you can't have people travelling in and out just because they want to.Cybargs wrote:
Aus is fucking stupid for those reasons. Govt wanted everything to open up but yet block citizens from leaving and entering xD.
Its worked great for multiple states, just not the stupid ones.
Lol those states had fuck all intake for hotel quarantine as well. Was something stupid like 200 people a week.uziq wrote:
again you're being a little bit fast and loose with the figures here.
how many people wanted to quarantine for TAS or WA compared to the figures of incoming passengers/freight for, say, a Seoul or a London?
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thats what were talking about... international travel not interstate lol. but then ya'll did force a senator to quarantine when he lied about his vacc status, that i salute SA.Dilbert_X wrote:
Erm, a normal day is ~100 inbound flights here, not 200 people/wk.
200 is the covid figure, dur.
perth only exists as a city to support mining operations lmao and not to mention the most isolated city in the world.uziq wrote:
at the beginning of the pandemic heathrow alone had 1,300 flights a day. 225,000 passengers.
most cities are not perth. the UK is not SA.
I'm sure every one of those 225,000 people absolutely had to travel and the world would have stopped if they hadn't.uziq wrote:
at the beginning of the pandemic heathrow alone had 1,300 flights a day. 225,000 passengers.
Lack of air travel pushed up air freight prices tremendously. A lot of freight is moved via passenger airlines.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm sure every one of those 225,000 people absolutely had to travel and the world would have stopped if they hadn't.uziq wrote:
at the beginning of the pandemic heathrow alone had 1,300 flights a day. 225,000 passengers.
we have already established that cutting tourism and passenger travel has had bad effects on the economy. you were just shown incontrovertible figures on this subject and responded only by going off on a rant about 'my sister's exam questions'.Dilbert_X wrote:
I'm sure every one of those 225,000 people absolutely had to travel and the world would have stopped if they hadn't.uziq wrote:
at the beginning of the pandemic heathrow alone had 1,300 flights a day. 225,000 passengers.
why you hating on people travelling, didn't know you're so woke.Dilbert_X wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-59705709
But travel restrictions and lockdowns are stupid. Why are these people stupid?
Yes, me ordering a 10g spring is exactly the same as a family of four taking multiple transcontinental holidays every year.
and yet a news article today talks about their more-or-less uncontained spread.Thank god the French aren't as stupid and one-eyed as you.
As we've been hearing, France is set to tighten Covid restrictions for travellers arriving from the UK, as its government tries to slow the spread of the Omicron variant.
WOWSERS!i'm sure tightening travel restrictions will stop the spread of omicron, considering its r-factor is estimated at between 3-5 at present.
if france even has a few hundred cases of omicron at present (they're reporting 170 so expect it to be 10x higher), closing the borders will do nothing. to retard the spread of such an infectious disease, you need full-scale lockdowns or circuit breakers at the very least. let's see how 'smart' and guided by scientific thinking the french are in coming weeks, shall we? i mean it's not like parisians can't spread it to one another on their packed metro system during rush hour and christmas shopping season.
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