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SuperJail Warden
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A majority of past school shooting cases featured some kind of warning in advance of potential violence, he said. But it is difficult in most state courts to meet the required standard of proving gross negligence on the part of school officials — that they acted in “wanton and willful disregard” for the safety or well-being of others, he said. “That standard has usually shielded school officials in most school shooting cases from civil liability.”

But the Oxford school system will most likely face years of litigation over the shooting, if recent history is any guide.

“I definitely think that there’s going to be a lawsuit,” said Mike Kelly, a lawyer in Northville, Mich., who specializes in representing students who face school expulsion — including one student who recently faced expulsion by another Michigan district for having a hunting rifle in the car he parked on school grounds.

“There is some culpability and responsibility here on the part of the school,” Mr. Kelly said.
Tidbit from a NYT article discussing the likelihood that the school is found liable for the mass shooting. The quoted part caught my attention.

I said before that punishing the parents will probably result in a bit of child abuse as other parents fear ruination because their kids are sad. I can forsee there being much debate around schools violating the 2nd amendment or whatever because they reported a kid who was looking up ammo for his hunting blah blah.
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unnamednewbie13
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I think in this particular case, a combination of things should have made his parents and the school wary. There was probably a little more going on there than him "being sad." Additionally, I'm not sure every little altercation or teenage grouchiness should be treated as a potential shooter situation. I feel like that would somehow lead to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Looking up guns and ammo, or even swords and knives, was considered inappropriate when I was going to school. You could even get in trouble in some cases for doodling something like a rifle, or a soldier with a rifle. Not because you were doodling, but because of what you were doodling.

If there are parents who will abuse their kids over this, they probably are already abusing them or will abuse them anyway. Do you think more parents will keep unattended guns locked away?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Parents will probably want their kid to take a gun to school so they can be the good guy with a gun protecting themselves from the bad guy with a gun.

Here a drug-addled bipolar teenager wiped out a senior police officer and another person with his monster truck.
Thanks to expensive lawyers he'll get probation.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-06/ … /100676866
Birds Aren't Real
unnamednewbie13
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There's a lot to unpack in the first sentence of that article.

A man who killed two "beautiful, innocent women" in a "horrendous" high-speed crash
Troll take: "wouldn't have been as bad if they were ugly, or ex-convicts." Also, a crash that kills people is probably horrendous without the need to state that.
Dilbert_X
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Well those were the statements of the family.

I think he managed to tear two cars in half and launch his truck to first floor height - more horrendous than normal.

I blame the parents for giving a dangerous weapon - a 3.5 ton truck - current marketing slogan "Say 'Yeah!' to more power" - to a drug addled teenager with mental health issues then letting him loose.

167kmh in a 60kmh zone is a lot of excess kmh.
Birds Aren't Real
unnamednewbie13
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It attributes it to the prosecutor, who I suppose could be citing the family. Here's a fix:

A man who killed two women in a high-speed crash
Less sensational maybe, but the style shaves seconds off and lets me move onto other articles more quickly.
Dilbert_X
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Anyway

Maybe Ethan Crumbley can run the "I was having a brief manic episode, I feel a lot better, can I go home now?" defence.

Seems to work for rich kids.
Birds Aren't Real
unnamednewbie13
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Is he a rich kid?
uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Anyway

Maybe Ethan Crumbley can run the "I was having a brief manic episode, I feel a lot better, can I go home now?" defence.

Seems to work for rich kids.
it’s amazing that you’ll extend your cynicism about the justice system to acknowledge that rich white people get a ‘soft touch’; but when someone phrases this critique from the converse direction, that poor blacks get a harsh treatment, which is saying the exactly same thing in logical inverse, you get all tied up about it. ‘slavery ended 150 years ago … they need to be taught a lesson anyway’.

incredible cognitive dissonance.
Dilbert_X
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The mystery is why it hasn't occurred to blacks to become rich.
Birds Aren't Real
unnamednewbie13
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Yes, it probably doesn't occur to black people that they should make money.

Probably didn't occur to the subjects of the pogrom in Tulsa, either.
SuperJail Warden
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National Review and Breitbart both had articles defending the school shooter parents. The fact that the parents are Trump supporters probably has a big role in that.
https://i.imgur.com/xsoGn9X.jpg
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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The father's ex-wife and mother of the shooter's half brother unloaded on the family in the media.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/oxford-school … -a-monster

Damn, embarrassing situation
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unnamednewbie13
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Conservatives are giving them the benefit of the doubt without familiarizing themselves with the situation. Some don't even know the woman was a Trump supporter. If it was a black family and a black shooter, they'd probably be all over that.
SuperJail Warden
Gone Forever
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The Brietbart article comments immediately after the shooting were a lot of "The shooter must be black because if he was white they would have shown his name and picture everywhere"

The new comments on the parent drama articles (plural) are a lot of "They are only doing this to the parents because they are white".

Jinkies it is disappointing that that is where people go with it. I am sure the blacks have their version of this on whatever platforms they have. Reddit of course went with "white incel". So I guess the universe balances itself out in the end.

And I am here just watching the show.
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unnamednewbie13
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In practice, comments on articles don't seem to be a very useful addition to the news ecosystem.
pirana6
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Comments on any news media or entertainment are where humanity goes to die

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