Pretty well below the level of triviality.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
we stole the benin bronzes, actually, which are widely regarded as masterpieces. african art and the european 'encounter' with it inspired artists like picasso.Dilbert_X wrote:
Nothing at all related to what I said.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Interesting way to describe the destruction, corruption, and looting of Africa by European colonial powers.
TheY diDnT pRoDuCe AnYThiNg lAsTinG!
Or if they did, it doesn't count because they aren't from REAAL AFRICA.
Between them did they put up a single stone building or road, not a single megastructure?
Did Europeans steal the great wall of africa? Nairobihenge? The hanging gardens of Zimbabwe?
I'm not sure what it is but they seem unable to work together to create something bigger than the individual or create for the future.
australia literally has a litany of crimes and appropriations. you can hardly gloat over slavery when aboriginals were treated as second-class citizens for most of australia's history. the stolen generation? come on.Dilbert_X wrote:
At least the country wasn't built on slavery
Dilbert_X wrote:
Between them did they put up a single stone building or road, not a single megastructure?
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No question treatment of the aboriginals was reprehensible, more comparable with American treatment of native Indians than slavery though.uziq wrote:
australia literally has a litany of crimes and appropriations. you can hardly gloat over slavery when aboriginals were treated as second-class citizens for most of australia's history. the stolen generation? come on.Dilbert_X wrote:
At least the country wasn't built on slavery
I'm talking about structures, not decorations.uziq wrote:
the benin bronzes decorated the fucking royal palace, you supermong. it's their equivalent of the elgin marbles or the parthenon frieze, which we consider a noteworthy classical structure and 'masterpiece' of civilization.
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Still not Africa though, as far as I know there are not even significant earthworks of any kind.uziq wrote:
there are mega-civilizations in the far east that have left very little architectural record. it's as much about the environment and geography as their capabilities. we are only finding now through aerial LiDAR studies the extent of vast ancient civilizations in cambodia or central america. building structures out of locally available materials and contending with jungle will do that.
yes, right, the benin bronzes decorated a tribal hut. i think you might have to have your degree in african history re-marked.Dilbert_X wrote:
Well people of that era did have sculptures etc for display in their yurt.
The point is Africa seems to have produced no large structures whatsoever at any time, nor did Australian aboriginals - eel traps are the only things I can think of.
No roads, canals etc.
At some point some peoples seem to have gained the ability to cooperate for the greater good in the long term beyond their own lifetime, or at least be directed by someone else with vision to do so.
I'd say some have a bit of a way to go yet.
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Still not Africa though, as far as I know there are not even significant earthworks of any kind.
you can't make this shit up.The Royal Palace of Oba of Benin is notable as the home of the Oba of Benin and other royals.
The palace, built by Oba Ewedo (1255AD – 1280AD), is located at the heart of ancient City of Benin. It was rebuilt by Oba Eweka II (1914–1932) after the original building was destroyed during the 1897 war with the British.
Dilbert_X wrote:
No question treatment of the aboriginals was reprehensible, more comparable with American treatment of native Indians than slavery though.
uziq wrote:
you can't make this shit up.The Royal Palace of Oba of Benin is notable as the home of the Oba of Benin and other royals.
The palace, built by Oba Ewedo (1255AD – 1280AD), is located at the heart of ancient City of Benin. It was rebuilt by Oba Eweka II (1914–1932) after the original building was destroyed during the 1897 war with the British.
It was rebuilt by Oba Eweka II (1914–1932) after the original building was destroyed during the 1897 war with the British.
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actually the civilizations of south america are characterized by many of the same limitations. there's a reason they never industrialized of their own accord or became 'advanced', effectively being superseded by european arrivals. larssen's post above gets close to the nub of it: a lack of draught animals or horses, coupled with precipitous terrain, was a major reason why the incans are consigned to history. llamas are not as useful as oxen or horses.Dilbert_X wrote:
All these arguments apply to South America though, yet they were able to build cities and empires.
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