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I appreciate that Washington and Oregon are blue states even though you are interchangeable in the minds of people on my coast.

I straight up almost said "Portland is a nice city" in order to defend you and your state which I know for a fact is Washington.

I would say NJ here gets generalized as the dump on the other side of the river, as a million movies have joked.

uziq wrote:

korean-americans are not korean my guy. even they receive racism from 'real' koreans. look up the term gyopo. this is not exactly unheard of stuff.

This gets better and better.

This thread has taken a surprisingly silly turn. Asian-American immigrants are not all war refugees from 50-whatever years ago with 50-years obsolete outlooks on the nations of origin. And a Korean who moved here at an age with living memory of Korea is *checks notes* definitely still a "real Korean" with "real Korean experiences," regardless of modernity or the opinions of Koreans back home. Also, a second-generation kid's experience could range from being pushed to integrate to full-on "old-country" language and culture at home.

Regardless, we're probably going to need a code word for Korea to avoid summoning the bog monster.

Dilbert_X wrote:

uziq wrote:

korean-americans are not korean my guy. even they receive racism from 'real' koreans. look up the term gyopo. this is not exactly unheard of stuff.

This gets better and better.

it's no different from the irish getting annoyed at 'irish-americans' or whatever. clearly a person who has been in another nation for generations as part of a large diaspora is going to grow to be distinct from their original group. it's hardly an advert for your 'monocultural' politics.

in korean society the dynamic is different. people who left for the states were generally privileged and held in high-esteem. it's a class and status issue, in other words, not some argument over 'racial purity' or whatever else you like to go on about. korean-americans are typically more well-off, better educated (and bi-lingual) and more cosmopolitan than koreans.

not to mention the rather awkward fact that foreign-born koreans dodge compulsory military service if they conveniently 'stay away' from korea through the enlistment age. amazing that natives of a certain political persuasion, and who, in their view, stayed in the homeland to build it up, endure worse working conditions, relative poverty, etc, find reason to chagrin the émigrés, or at least claim that their experiences are incommensurate.

i really don't know why you think it's a 'gotcha!' moment whenever i point to conflict between groups or nations. i contend your bogus, pseudo-scientific justification for everything as a 'law of nature' or expression of some other timeless, immutable fundament of the human animal. i read a lot of history and i tend to think of historical processes, you know, not vague gestures towards 'genes' or 'instinct'. it's bad science and it's even worse history. the fact that the racial categories you hang your hat on so obstinately are barely even scientifically coherent should start raising alarm bells in any genuinely 'scientific' thinker. but whoosh! intellectual honesty, good faith reasoning and open inquiry are not on your menu.

anyway.

back to the pandemic: the EU has now resumed the AZ vaccine after, what, 6 weeks of um'ing and ah'ing? first it was 'quasi-ineffective' for the elderly (false). next it caused blood clots in the young (no evidence). oh well, it's not like europe is facing a major third-wave or anything, with france going into major lockdowns again and virus infections climbing all across the board.

UK 40%+ vaccinated.

Last edited by uziq (2021-03-18 19:56:50)

i assume you've had no problem wearing PPE made in china for most of the last 14 months.

uziq wrote:

i really don't know why you think it's a 'gotcha!' moment whenever i point to conflict between groups or nations.

The point really is you gripe endlessly about white racism but you're much more coy about anyone else's.

Typically the groups complaining about racism a far more racist, and enact it whenever they get the chance - as you're finding out now being made to line up for testing when the koreans don't have to.
Think how you'd get on if Koreans, Chinese or Japanese were running the world.
Its not really that long ago the Japs were griping about racist internment policies while their cousins were lopping heads off nurses for being white.

Your idea that racism will all disappear when old people die off is fanciful. Those old people were young idealists once and look at them now.
Even today's young idealists are pretty racist.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2021-03-18 23:11:12)

The BLM crowd do have a legitimate grievance, I suppose a legitimate question is what they're doing about black on asian racism, which if blacks were dominant would be many times worse than white on black racism.

If blacks were dominant in America they would send endless waves of American troops to die fighting Germany after Germany conquered Continental Europe in 1942.

The Trope of Black-Asian Conflict

These senseless acts of anti-Asian violence have finally garnered the national attention they deserve, but they have also invoked anti-Black sentiment and reignited the trope of Black-Asian conflict. Because some of the video-taped perpetrators appear to have been Black, some observers immediately reduced anti-Asian violence to Black-Asian conflict. This is not the first time that the trope has been weaponized. Black-Asian conflict—and Black-Korean conflict more specifically—became the popular frame of the LA riots in 1992.

The trope failed to capture the reality of Black-Korean relations three decades ago, and it fails to capture the reality of anti-Asian bias today. A recent study finds that in fact, Christian nationalism is the strongest predictor of xenophobic views of COVID-19, and the effect of Christian nationalism is greater among white respondents, compared to Black respondents. Moreover, Black Americans have also experienced high levels of racial discrimination since the pandemic began. Hence, not only does the frame of two minoritized groups in conflict ignore the role of white national populism, but it also absolves the history and systems of inequality that positioned them there.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/how-we-r … olidarity/

uziq wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The BLM crowd do have a legitimate grievance, I suppose a legitimate question is what they're doing about black on asian racism, which if blacks were dominant would be many times worse than white on black racism.

you really are a stupid person.

Its OK, all the great minds and forward-thinkers were accused of being stupid or worse by the blinkered and shortsighted.