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uziq
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4,000 americans died yesterday.

remember when jay said the first wave was overblown and covid had burnt itself out handily in 2 months?
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Between 160 million and 214 million people in the United States could be infected over the course of the epidemic, according to a projection that encompasses the range of the four scenarios. That could last months or even over a year, with infections concentrated in shorter periods, staggered across time in different communities, experts said. As many as 200,000 to 1.7 million people could die.
I looked up what the New York Times said back in spring. So we are nearly double the lowest projection for deaths.

I think once we get through this winter of pain things will start to get better. The change in political leadership will result in progress on getting things under control. I am not saying that just because I am bias. Multiple vaccines, the federal government throwing more money into healthcare, and a change in weather getting people out of deadly subways and buses will all help.

I also think that our economy will recover pretty quickly once we get mass vaccination working.
uziq
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meanwhile the UK is posting record death numbers too - based on a rolling average infection rate that, 3 weeks ago, was 1/2 the current numbers of new infections. so we're going to go up and up throughout january, most likely.

The number of hospital beds in the UK in 2000 was 240,000. By the end of 2019, that number had fallen to 164,000.
A reduction of 32% in two decades.

The UK population in 2000 was 59 million. By mid-2019, the UK population had risen to just under 67 million.
An increase of 14%.

In addition, the percentage of the population aged over 65 increases every year.

As the summary being passed around medics' WhatsApp groups observers:

NHS 'winter' crises were already happening all year round - despite underhand rationing of NHS services - long before the pandemic arrived.

The collapse of the NHS now is entirely a consequence of a decade of Conservative government and real-terms cuts.

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uziq
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hansard notes from parliament, 4th november.

4th November .

Starmer

    I want to press the Prime Minister. Is he saying that if, by 2 December, the R rate has not come below 1 and is still rising, we will come out of lockdown come what may, with infection rates going up on 2 December? That does not seem sensible to me

Johnson

    We are doing the right and the prudent thing at the right time to get that infection rate down, and these measures, as I have said repeatedly to the House, will expire on 2 December. If the right hon. and learned Gentleman is now saying he wants to protract them beyond 2 December, then perhaps he should make his position clear.

Starmer

    I just want some basic honesty, and this is serious... We have to look the public in the eye. If the infection rate is still going up on 2 December, it is madness to come out of the system back to the tiered system,....

Johnson

    I have to say that the House will generally have noted that he has used this crisis as an opportunity to make political capital

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Israel rebuffs WHO vaccine request for Palestinian medics, amid outcry over disparity

Israel has refused a request from the World Health Organisation (WHO) to immediately make Covid-19 vaccines available to Palestinian medical workers to avert a health disaster, citing shortages of the jabs for their own citizens.

The refusal comes amid growing criticism from rights groups of the massive discrepancy between the vaccine rollout in Israel and the occupied West Bank and Gaza, given Israel’s legal obligations as an occupying power.

Israel has broken global records for the speediness of its inoculation programme, which started on 20 December and up to Friday has seen 1.7 million Israelis – or over 18 percent of the total population – vaccinated.

While Israel has provided vaccines for Palestinians living in east Jerusalem, by contrast no citizen or medic has received jabs among the nearly 5 million Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza, where the battered and impoverished healthcare systems are struggling to cope with the soaring caseload.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … 84474.html

Israelis are first in the worldwide queue and are refusing to vaccinate people in territories under their military control.

Nice

Anecdotally a family friend lives in Israel says everyone there is utterly sick of the orthodox jews who refuse to work or abide by any pandemic restrictions.
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uziq
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it’s almost as if it’s like i’ve been saying to you for years, that israel is a complex society, with a spectrum of politics of its own, ranging from the secular and liberal to the ultra-orthodox and nationalistic, and jews worldwide reflect an even wider spectrum of politics, including ones that don’t support israel at all.

there have been multiple huge protests outside bibi’s house in the last year. a huge number of the younger electorate think he’s every bit as corrupt and shit as a western liberal critic might. but the way you talk, you’d think israel was a monolithic fascist state with nothing but fervid support and encouragement from every jew in the world.

isn’t everyone a little tired of your crocodile tears for the palestinians? you care about them exactly in proportion to how much they give you license to hate jews - not israelis, but jews in australia, jews in the US, jews jews jews. it’s really an odious little charade. you’re a moral cripple.

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Dilbert_X
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uziq wrote:

it’s almost as if it’s like i’ve been saying to you for years, that israel is a complex society, with a spectrum of politics of its own, ranging from the secular and liberal to the ultra-orthodox and nationalistic, and jews worldwide reflect an even wider spectrum of politics, including ones that don’t support israel at all.

there have been multiple huge protests outside bibi’s house in the last year. a huge number of the younger electorate think he’s every bit as corrupt and shit as a western liberal critic might. but the way you talk, you’d think israel was a monolithic fascist state with nothing but fervid support and encouragement from every jew in the world.
Except the Israelis line up to elect a vicious fascist like 'Bibi' (I wonder if Hitler ever thought to give himself a cute nickname, 'Ado'? Uncle Dolphy?, things could have turned out very differently) year after year
If the Germans and the Wermacht are complicit in everything the Nazis did then the average Israeli is culpable too, more so since they vote for it again and again.

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Dilbert_X
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Back to Pandemic News

Britain is up to a Titanic deaths per day

https://impm.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/titanic.jpg

America is peaking at about 3-4 Lusitanias per day

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/4/30/1398874498662/New-York-Times-front-page-011.jpg?width=300&quality=45&auto=format&fit=max&dpr=2&s=a5606e66a0b8bd75feb81b0f999125b0

China has announced the virus didn't come from bats or pangolins - which is good news for bats, but hasn't said where it did come from - how long before we can nuke them?

My uncle's partner is in hospital (uk) and isn't expected to survive, they're late seventies, she's had a severe heart condition since birth, he hasn't been instructed to have a test but presumably is infected too so likely bad news for him.

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Sorry to hear that Dilbert. Wish them the best. Even if you aren't really close it can still affect those who are, who are close to you. Makes an impact.

I still remember when southern Republicans were clamoring to send all the old people to work as sacrificial lambs. Ironic after talking about how Obamacare was going to death panel your grandma.
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The WHO just sent a mission to China to research the origin and the experts stated bats are still the most likely candidate. I would hold out on the BS from Beijing.

E: sorry to hear it dilbert.

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Larssen
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Sorry to hear that Dilbert. Wish them the best. Even if you aren't really close it can still affect those who are, who are close to you. Makes an impact.

I still remember when southern Republicans were clamoring to send all the old people to work as sacrificial lambs. Ironic after talking about how Obamacare was going to death panel your grandma.
Republicans & the pandemic:

https://i.redd.it/pfype4xvxxp41.jpg
Dilbert_X
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Larssen wrote:

The WHO just sent a mission to China to research the origin and the experts stated bats are still the most likely candidate. I would hold out on the BS from Beijing.

E: sorry to hear it dilbert.
No worries.

The WHO are going to see exactly what the Chinese want them to see and find exactly what the Chinese want them to find.
The whole thing is a farce.
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Dilbert_X
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

I still remember when southern Republicans were clamoring to send all the old people to work as sacrificial lambs. Ironic after talking about how Obamacare was going to death panel your grandma.
Far better these decisions are taken by lawyers and accountants.
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https://i.imgur.com/1If8Yzx.png
Big yikes. Not so much the raw numbers but the 14 day trend percent. When was the last time anything in your life went up 45% in 2 weeks?
uziq
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who would have believed 2 years ago that half a million americans were about to die?
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Yesterday
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
SuperJail Warden
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This is all the fault of the Midwest. If only PA, WI, and MI had held the line.
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Ohio did well until that 2 month lockdown didn't end and people got pissed
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

who would have believed 2 years ago that half a million americans were about to die?
Over a million annually for like over a century (heart disease and cancer around 500k each), but I take your point. This singular cause as a bonus due to our bumbling is terrible.

You could call Trump and the machine behind politicizing the virus a literal cancer.
uziq
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march 2020--present: covid killed 390,809 americans
1981--2018: AIDS killed 700,000 americans
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2010-2019: flu killed ~330,000 Americans

It's just the flu (*10)
Dilbert_X
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Britain has finally put in place proper border controls, quarantine, testing etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55681861

Only took almost a year to catch up with Australia and New Zealand.
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RTHKI
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your country is planning to kill a racing pigeon
https://i.imgur.com/tMvdWFG.png
Dilbert_X
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Racing pigeon was a fake

A pigeon that was to be put down by authorities in Australia after reportedly crossing the Pacific Ocean has been saved after officials found he was "highly likely" to be a local bird.

Joe the pigeon made headlines around the world after he was found in a garden in Melbourne wearing what appeared to be a US identification.

The bird was to be killed for breaching Australia's quarantine rules.

But he was granted a reprieve amid doubts about the origin of his leg tag.

"Following an investigation, the department has concluded that Joe the Pigeon is highly likely to be Australian and does not present a biosecurity risk," Australia's Department of Agriculture, Water and the Environment announced on Friday.

"The department is satisfied that the bird's leg band is a fraudulent copy of a legitimate leg band," the statement said, adding that no further action would be taken against the bird.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55667045
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uziq
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Britain has finally put in place proper border controls, quarantine, testing etc.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55681861

Only took almost a year to catch up with Australia and New Zealand.
still not 'closing the borders' as you've been asking for all year.

you need a negative test before boarding a plane and you need to self-quarantine. no special requirements.

no 'severe visa restrictions' or whatever it is you've been calling for.

but, otherwise, yes: basically sane and sensible airport controls. no idea why these weren't at heathrow by about week 3.

it's a bit of a stretch to call it 'quarantine, testing, etc'. you have to sort your own test before getting on a plane to come here and you have to self-quarantine by basically making an extra nice promise to the good british government.

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