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Dilbert_X
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OTOH You've never actually got up from you desk and done anything in the real world though eh.
Epstein didn't kill himself
uziq
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what is ‘the real world’? is that where these ‘real people’ you keep talking about reside? help me, i work in an office and exist in the tertiary and quaternary sectors. unlike everyone else in the western world, of course, who are up to their elbows birthing calves or having their sight burnt away by the hot blasts of furnaces.

herp derp dilderp
SuperJail Warden
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Anyone here ever read the Clockwork Orange? I was watching a few clips on youtube and thought a little about it and how it relates to recent discussions regarding another movie that shall not be named.

The violence in the movie is pretty repulsive. And I am glad I am mature enough to see it that way. Unfortunately there is a good amount of people who buy into the imagery of the movie and I feel that they have missed the point unless I was the one who missed it. The book was very critical of violence but the movie seemed to revel in it? From what I have read the ending to both of them are completely different. There was someone that said when talking about another movie that "you can't make an anti-war movie without creating a movie that appeals to some people's affection for war" Does that apply to Clockwork?
unnamednewbie13
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They raped a ten year old girl in the book. The movie didn't even dare go there.
SuperJail Warden
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

They raped a ten year old girl in the book. The movie didn't even dare go there.
From what I had read there are a few moments like that in the book. Not including that is part of why I think the movie failed to get the message of the book out. Child rape is genuinely repulsive and no one would want to dress up as Alex if they saw stuff like that being committed. Also making Alex a good looking actor didn't help.
unnamednewbie13
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If you're planning on reading the book, I don't know how much I want to say. It didn't go a lot into imprisonment like the movie did, and didn't really leave you with much of a "cliffhanger."

Interesting article on the movie:

THE UNCOMFORTABLE HUMOR OF A CLOCKWORK ORANGE
https://thenewbev.com/blog/2016/12/the- … rk-orange/

I don't really agree with the assessment of Alex as an antihero in the sense I usually see the word used, but whatever.
SuperJail Warden
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I read the wiki and feel like I missed out on nothing. So in the book they randomly beat an academic up and rob a small business before the rape. In the movie the small business isn't robbed and instead of an academic getting beat up, they beat up a homeless person.

It's obvious whitewashing of Alex since people would identify more with an academic and small business owners instead of a homeless person since it is a crime against God to be poor in this country. And the fact that they turned his rape of two small children into a cool sequence where he has a threesome says a lot about how they want people to perceived the character.

I really hate movies that glamorize violence like this. Fight Club is still my favorite movie though it also screws up a lot of the message of that book which I in fact read.
unnamednewbie13
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IIRC he was also in his mid-teens in the book. I think Malcolm was in his late 20s when he took the role.

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