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Police everywhere tend to be heavy handed, the job is going to attract brutes who want to whack people just as the catholic church attracts paedophiles.

Still, I wouldn't want to have to wade into a ghetto and try and pull people out.

one that should hopefully finally shut dilbert/jay/etc. the fuck up:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … port-finds

The vast majority of the thousands of Black Lives Matter protests this summer have been peaceful, with more than 93% involving no serious harm to people or damage to property, according to a new report tracking political violence in the United States.

But the US government has taken a “heavy-handed approach” to the demonstrations, with authorities using force “more often than not” when they are present, the report found.

And there has been a troubling trend of violence and armed intimidation by individual actors, including dozens of car-ramming attacks targeting demonstrators across the country.

The new data on protests and the US government’s response comes from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project (Acled), an organization that has long tracked political violence and unrest in regions around the world, together with Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative.

Data assembled by Acled has been viewed as a reliable source of information on the death toll in Yemen, civilians killed by governments in Africa and political violence against women, among other conflicts. The organization launched a new “US crisis monitor” project this year, concerned that the US is “at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election”.

how absolutely fucking ridiculous you sound when you said, weeks ago, that the 'only BLM activity still ongoing were rioters and troublemakers', etc. etc.

as i have said time and time again, the biggest crimes/disturbance committed at any of these protests is litter and a spot of graffiti, which is par for the course at any large demonstration (or a street party or large celebratory event like a football match, for that matter). dilbert has continually tried to construe BLM, not only as a 'black supremacist' movement out to harm or rob things from civilization at large, but as frequently criminal and full  looters and store burners. statistically false.

soon he might be out of options, and there will be nothing left to do but actually listen to their message and consider the actual discussion.

uziq wrote:

one that should hopefully finally shut dilbert/jay/etc. the fuck up:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ … port-finds

The vast majority of the thousands of Black Lives Matter protests this summer have been peaceful, with more than 93% involving no serious harm to people or damage to property, according to a new report tracking political violence in the United States.

But the US government has taken a “heavy-handed approach” to the demonstrations, with authorities using force “more often than not” when they are present, the report found.

And there has been a troubling trend of violence and armed intimidation by individual actors, including dozens of car-ramming attacks targeting demonstrators across the country.

The new data on protests and the US government’s response comes from the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data project (Acled), an organization that has long tracked political violence and unrest in regions around the world, together with Princeton University’s Bridging Divides Initiative.

Data assembled by Acled has been viewed as a reliable source of information on the death toll in Yemen, civilians killed by governments in Africa and political violence against women, among other conflicts. The organization launched a new “US crisis monitor” project this year, concerned that the US is “at heightened risk of political violence and instability going into the 2020 general election”.

how absolutely fucking ridiculous you sound when you said, weeks ago, that the 'only BLM activity still ongoing were rioters and troublemakers', etc. etc.

Thats great but so what? Would your mind be changed if you knew that most insurance doesn't cover damage from riot?
"Yeah my apartment got burned out, I lost all my possessions and I have to start my business from scratch, thats the price of lawful protest in a democracy I guess"

These people don't want equality, they want supremacy. No group in the history of the world has been satisfied with equality.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-09-05 17:27:05)

Uziq touted graffiti and property damage as the healthy venting of anger, in this case and in the London riots.
He'd be less keen if it were his life's work going up in smoke.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Thats great but so what? Would your mind be changed if you knew that most insurance doesn't cover damage from riot?
"Yeah my apartment got burned out, I lost all my possessions and I have to start my business from scratch, thats the price of lawful protest in a democracy I guess"

that's great but do you realise that rioting and burning of property happens in response to the LOSS OF LIFE? what's the insurance claim like on that, dipshit? why does your heart bleed for the loss of a storefront (i can't see anywhere that someone's house or apartment was burned down, which sounds to me like aggravated arson and possibly a life sentence -- please find a news story) but you don't give a fuck about the NUMEROUS cases of PEOPLE BEING KILLED that started this thing?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Uziq touted graffiti and property damage as the healthy venting of anger, in this case and in the London riots.
He'd be less keen if it were his life's work going up in smoke.

property damage? life's work? i said monuments get graffiti'd and public areas get littered during protests. a nuisance? yes. a council cost? yep. a life going up in flames? lol. i was talking about graffiti and mess in the context of the student protests, not the london riots, there's a big difference. my point being that BLM protests are just as legitimate and peaceful as the student movement ever was, which you didn't kvetch and get nervous about.. why so dismissive of BLM?

i said riots break out spontaneously and are somewhat inevitable, not that i applaud them. what i DID SAY was that, after the initial riots and outburst of inchoate anger, BLM has represented an organised, PEACEFUL protest movement (which, to the best of my knowledge, condemned all looting and violence). which the above link to the study overwhelmingly confirms. you're making out like the first few days of chaos and violence beschmirched and invalidated the entire MONTH's LONG protest movement. you haven't once engaged with any discussion on the topic without mentioning 'looting and lawlessness', which DOES NOT represent BLM, not in their ideology/policy nor empirically, as a matter of fact, as can be seen from the wide study of this summer's protests.

get a new line, sorry.

Last edited by uziq (2020-09-05 18:08:31)

are you missing the fucking part where i said 93% of all BLM protests didn't involve any property damage or violence?

engage with the topic. why are you so afraid of engaging with the topic? that 7% you keep bringing up is called a 'smear tactic'. do you think anyone here is listening to you?

you really, really need to read a fucking history book. your analogies are routinely terrible, illiterate in the most egregious and inane sense.

likening BLM to the SS? 93% of the SS 'didn't do anything bad'?

african americans already have equality?

if this is what you call 'engaging with the issue', i'm going to have to give you an F on this assignment.

Did I say we should be shooting anyone?

Apparently black americans have far worse maternity outcomes and infant death rates than white americans, maybe doctors are killing them off.

No, I'm talking about maternity outcomes.

Alarming Racial Differences in Maternal Mortality

In the United States, black women are 2 to 6 times more likely to die from complications of pregnancy than white women, depending on where they live (American Medical Association, 1999). Total maternal mortality rates ranged from 1.9 deaths per 100,000 in New Hampshire to 22.8 in the District of Columbia. When data from 1979 to 1992 were analyzed, the overall pregnancy-related mortality ratio was 25.1 deaths per 100,000 for black women, 10.3 for Hispanic women, and 6.0 for non-Hispanic white women (Hopkins et al., 1999). These rates have not improved between 1987 and 1996 (American Medical Association, 1999). The leading causes of maternal death are hemorrhage, pregnancy-induced hypertension, and embolism (Berg, Atrash, Koonin, & Tucker, 1996). Black and nonwhite women have almost 3 times the risk of death from hemorrhage than white women (Chichakli, Atrash, Mackay, Musani, & Berg, 1999).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1595019/

The answer can only be racism, because racism is the only answer to everything that goes wrong for black people.

So clearly white doctors are racist, killing black women. Lets defund the doctors and burn down the hospitals! That'll teach em.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2020-09-05 20:22:07)

dilbert wtf is your point? are BLM calling obstetricians racists?

so because races have genetic conditions, you think what, inequality is justified? black people, perhaps because they have a gene allele that activates for sickle cell disease, also have one that explains why they should be subordinate and below white people?

nobody is complaining about childbirth statistics bro! they want equality and to NOT BE MURDERED BY COPS.

Last edited by uziq (2020-09-05 22:19:05)